posted October 25, 2015 07:26 PM            

I think it applies too to venus conjunct pluto, I have venus in the 8th but also saturn in scorpio so I have had to learn to evolve in this regard as that is part of what Saturn wants to teach me.

posted October 25, 2015 09:25 PM            

I used to be very possessive and obsessive in the past and was always looking for ways that a friend or a lover would betray, hurt, cheat, leave me. But when it happens to you without you even being emotionally and mentally prepared for it, like it just has to me, you learn one thing: You need to always put yourself first. With Venus in Scorpio, you get so lost inside another person that you can't even find yourself anymore. With time and experience, I've learnt to never let myself do this to such a point where I'm left looking like a fool.

This person has violated you and you need to, as hard as it may be, to focus completely on yourself. Do things that make you happy and slowly you will realise that they ****** up and you can walk away with your diginity and pride.. Something Venus in Scorpio hate to lose.

I've apologised to my friend and sent him a very long email explaining why I love him so much and would hate to lose him as a friend. I know for a fact that I've been nothing but a great friend to him since the moment we met, and the fact that he still wants to ignore me is his problem, not mine. Just like the fact that it is his problem that he cheated, not yours.

posted October 26, 2015 10:53 AM            

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Perhaps that is one of the reasons why venus in scorpio is detriment, the inability to forgive, very high expectations and choosing anger, hate and vengeance over love, forgiveness and walking away in peace. You can see the effects of mars ruling OVER venus.

I think it applies too to venus conjunct pluto, I have venus in the 8th but also saturn in scorpio so I have had to learn to evolve in this regard as that is part of what Saturn wants to teach me.

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Well said, hypatia!

posted October 26, 2015 12:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Valentine:
I'm Scorpio Sun & Venus, cheating to me is unforgivable.

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posted October 26, 2015 01:30 PM            

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Originally posted by erickaf:
I understand this statement. But put yourself in the position where you are with someone for years and years, you both created a life together etc ... Would you really end it because they had a one night stand? I have Venus in Sagittarius I 'get' why people cheat... I 'get' why happy people cheat!

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posted October 26, 2015 01:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I dont think there is ever any reason to cheat, its as simple as keep your legs closed and your pants zipped...its not hard if you chose to honor your promises and word.
The only reason ppl cheat is because they dont have the strength of character to do the right thing, end it and allow both ppl to move on with understanding and respect for each other OR stay faithful and show that honor, loyaty and respect is part of your character.

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posted October 26, 2015 02:08 PM            

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Originally posted by erickaf:

I disagree 100% there are many reasons. But anyway we should keep this astrology only...I could go on lol.

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If we thought a plutonian Venus and a jupiter Venus would ever agree on this, we are deeply mistaken! Lol
Agree to disagree 100% on this subject.

posted October 26, 2015 02:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
If we thought a plutonian Venus and a jupiter Venus would ever agree on this, we are deeply mistaken! Lol
Agree to disagree 100% on this subject.

The main reason this plutonian Venus cannot forgive is that i lose respect for the person, all the strength and honor i saw in them is gone and i cant love weak willed ppl, its not in my make up!

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posted October 26, 2015 03:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I dont think there is ever any reason to cheat, its as simple as keep your legs closed and your pants zipped...its not hard if you chose to honor your promises and word.
The only reason ppl cheat is because they dont have the strength of character to do the right thing, end it and allow both ppl to move on with understanding and respect for each other OR stay faithful and show that honor, loyaty and respect is part of your character.

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Originally posted by Gabby:
If we thought a plutonian Venus and a jupiter Venus would ever agree on this, we are deeply mistaken! Lol
Agree to disagree 100% on this subject.

The main reason this plutonian Venus cannot forgive is that i lose respect for the person, all the strength and honour i saw in them is gone and i cant love weak willed ppl, its not in my make up!

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i get exactly what you mean. i do think i have really high expectations of myself and other people. i think...

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..that people who are very promiscuous and sleep around alot i end up thinking.. 'no standards? just anything?really?'

so people that cheat i always end up thinking 'really? no self control? no honor? no pride?'

so i lose respect to because cheating is a move that reveals weakness and cowardice in a person's character.

and i know people say we're animals and all and we are but to me since we're capable of higher function acting like an animal is just being mediocre and why would you ever want to be mediocre?

so its the same with guys or girls that sleep around or always check out or flirt with others while they have a girlfriend and come up with excuses i always think they're just making excuses so they can continue being mediocre

and personally i don't want to be involved with mediocrity.

and especially with cheating because i'm thinking 'wait a minute.. how long this been going on for? how many?' because it's a health issue too! who did you sleep with! are they clean?! did you just give me a ******* STD!?!?

so it comes down to my health as well so i would absolutely rage (internally) if i got cheated on and to me it's completely unforgivable. there's antibiotic resistant STIs out there, over 60% of people with STI and STDs can have it and it be asymptomatic so only a blood test can prove it and you can't get a blood test a few minutes before a one night stand or whatever. some of them can cause infertility and eat your brain (neurosyphilis) .. like how long has this been going on! cause i might be in that over 60% of people who now has an STD but has no symptoms and possibly antibiotic resistant and how long until i found out? how long until you told me (if i didn't find out about it myself) what if it could've progressed enough to do serious damage and i had no clue?! now you're putting my health and my future at risk! UNFORGIVABLE!

can you tell that i have a venus in scorpio, mars in virgo and capricorn stellium? XP

posted October 26, 2015 04:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Well said, hypatia!

It can be hard for the other person to understand Venus in Scorpio, and a lot of pain both ways from simple misunderstandings. I wonder how often it happens that the Scorpio Venus retreats hoping to be chased/found, hoping for a stronger sign of devotion, which the other person would have offered, except now they feel cut off and mystified.

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posted October 26, 2015 05:50 PM            

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Originally posted by sarahhm:

i get exactly what you mean. i do think i have really high expectations of myself and other people. i think...

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..that people who are very promiscuous and sleep around alot i end up thinking.. 'no standards? just anything?really?'

so people that cheat i always end up thinking 'really? no self control? no honor? no pride?'

so i lose respect to because cheating is a move that reveals weakness and cowardice in a person's character.

and i know people say we're animals and all and we are but to me since we're capable of higher function acting like an animal is just being mediocre and why would you ever want to be mediocre?

so its the same with guys or girls that sleep around or always check out or flirt with others while they have a girlfriend and come up with excuses i always think they're just making excuses so they can continue being mediocre

and personally i don't want to be involved with mediocrity.

and especially with cheating because i'm thinking 'wait a minute.. how long this been going on for? how many?' because it's a health issue too! who did you sleep with! are they clean?! did you just give me a ******* STD!?!?

so it comes down to my health as well so i would absolutely rage (internally) if i got cheated on and to me it's completely unforgivable. there's antibiotic resistant STIs out there, over 60% of people with STI and STDs can have it and it be asymptomatic so only a blood test can prove it and you can't get a blood test a few minutes before a one night stand or whatever. some of them can cause infertility and eat your brain (neurosyphilis) .. like how long has this been going on! cause i might be in that over 60% of people who now has an STD but has no symptoms and possibly antibiotic resistant and how long until i found out? how long until you told me (if i didn't find out about it myself) what if it could've progressed enough to do serious damage and i had no clue?! now you're putting my health and my future at risk! UNFORGIVABLE!

can you tell that i have a venus in scorpio, mars in virgo and capricorn stellium? XP

but i did date a guy that i was holding out on because i wasn't sure if he really was the right one and he broke it off with me and said 'here i'm not happy with you wanting to wait so long, i thought i could but i can't do this' and we're still friends right now and i'm still really fond of him because i respect him so so so much for just telling me straight up rather than going behind my back or cheating on me. (we agreed on being exclusive and it was after 2 months and he had mars in 8th house)

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posted October 26, 2015 05:55 PM            

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That's the thing my Plutonian Venus friends agree with me! And we've talked hours about this subject, and they have forgiven, took a complete life changing soul searching intense transformation though. And that's what I wrote originally on this thread! More to ponder! But I never been cheated on, but I am willing to forgive.
And yes we can agree to disagree!

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posted October 26, 2015 06:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I dont think there is ever any reason to cheat, its as simple as keep your legs closed and your pants zipped...its not hard if you chose to honor your promises and word.
The only reason ppl cheat is because they dont have the strength of character to do the right thing, end it and allow both ppl to move on with understanding and respect for each other OR stay faithful and show that honor, loyaty and respect is part of your character.

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60% of the population cheats in some way shape or form at some point in a relationship. Relationships that last a life time last a life time for a reason and forgiving, making compromises and seeking understanding are a big reason.

You think cheating makes someone evil and weak and I think its part of been human and I don't feel cheating is about weakness but about many things..

I am not telling you to promote it or codone it but you sound like you are perfect and free of sin with how you look down on cheaters and come off as you feel is the worst thing in the world.

At the core of that strong reaction to this very plutonic and taboo topic that is actually a quite common human behavior historically and still today is the fear of been cheated on and the fear of betrayel and sooner or later in one life or another we all have to confront our fears.

posted October 26, 2015 06:07 PM            

Hmmm.. she cheated on her boyfriend several times in 7 years, used his money until he had no money in the bank. When her boyfriend finally cheated on her, she accepted it like it never happened because she had cheated before but she couldn't help to living with her standard that he should not cheat on her.

So, yeah, she acted like it never happened, but couldn't help to get revenge, so she kept him for awhile torturing him with no intimacy/sex and manipulated him to get all of his money.

posted October 27, 2015 11:23 AM            

Re: Cheating

I've seen some very, very sticky marriages that resulted in people cheating...well I hate to see those cheaters dragged through the mud, because their circumstances are harder than what most people had to deal with.

I know of a couple where the woman cheated on her husband, and he walked into the room and saw them together. Well, yes, he could have divorced at that point, except he knew she would get custody of the kids. And he knew his daughter who was gravely ill could not handle the stress of the divorce. And he was very close to this daughter...she didn't get along with her mother.

So he stayed for this daughter and their children.

His wife did all sorts of really crazy $hit and it basically wasn't even a marriage anymore, but the wife blamed him for everything and tried planting ideas in the kids' heads that everything was his fault. ..

The crazier she got, the more he felt bound to remain in the house protecting the children at all costs. He didn't trust the legal system to protect them, he didn't want to take a gamble of losing custody. He needed to be there every day.

After many years of hell like this, he cheated on his wife.

I just would never call him any names over that? He's not a coward, or an idiot, or a bad person. He was just at the breaking point, needing some outside support.

That's an extreme case.

posted October 27, 2015 12:11 PM            

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@Faith

Yeah, I did think about it though. It took me by surprised when I found her aspects..

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posted October 27, 2015 12:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Oh sorry, I was addressing other comments about cheaters in general, not your story. I see what you mean.

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LOL. I don't read other posts, must be my short attention span

posted October 27, 2015 01:24 PM            

Also I don't mean to offend anyone...

But if someone has cheated on you, and you hold on and hold on, guilt-tripping them and trying to manipulate them into loving you more to make up for what they did...and resorting to punishing them....

Be careful with that. There's a way to be wrong on the other side, by hanging on too tight, not letting people go when they should go, being excessive or even cruel.

I've seen that with a Scorpio moon before ~ her husband cheated and she got even in the worst, worst ways, while making it so he couldn't leave her (they also have kids.)