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Mars/Pluto Emperor
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From: Miami beach FL,USA
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posted October 26, 2015 12:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mars/Pluto Emperor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What placements/Aspects/Houses can indicate being a Bully? How about placements/aspects that Indicate being Bullied?

Also Have you ever bullied others or have you went bullied yourself? Give a story about it and explain whether you evolved or not?

I'll start with me

Bullied would probably be pluto Hard aspects,and Neptune aspects.

Bullies Heavy Mars/Sun placements.

I have been Bullied as a kid a lot,barely physically,though I was more bullied mentally,which really led me to a huge trauma. I Can't forget Those times as a child in which I felt powerless and weak. I've felt So helpless,plus I get this inner frustration in which I feel ashamed for who I was. I've been bullied throughout my elementary school. I hate asking for help,back then is because I hated confrontation,but now I hate it because it was a sign of weakness. My parents always told me to stand up or myself.remembering those times gives me such a deep anger,a sense of wanting to become powerful,I wanted to feel like I was In control,feel like I am someone in life. All I want is respect and power.

I'm 15 years old (10th grade) and Recently I've been much more agressive,last year was the last year I really tolerated anything.i was made fun of for everything,only because I was quiet and different. Anyways this year I screamed at these guys who were trying to pick on me and I lashed out throwing stuff at them. But I wanted more,I wanted to fight,to show everyone who was dominant. I've always had violent thoughts. Also whenever I feel insulted/Angry I tend to get angry and tell them to screw off,I've been a lot more agressive.I was in a business and entrepreneur class,an Aquarius friend told me that I wasn't weak,but I was wounded,very wounded,and this ambition comes from being hurt so much. And I agree,I Grew this Ambition and Power-Hunger because of that reason. I need to feel like someone,I've had enough of being and feeling "less than" or under appreciated. I feel Like it's time to be An "Emperor", in figurative language of course.

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mystictinkerbell
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posted October 26, 2015 01:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mystictinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have been physically and emotionally abused by both my parents.Since my home has always been so disturbing, people in school sensed my emotional nature,passiveness and they bullied me.they took advantage of me.i was physically and sexually abused in school (by my own friend) ,and even my bus driver has sexually abused me.i havent told it to anyone. its my biggest secret.my mother assaulted me with knife.still have scar.
Really crazy aspects in my chart
I have following aspects in natal-
moon sextile pluto 0.4'
mars conjuct pluto 1'
sun sextile pluto 3'
i have venus mars and pluto in 12 house natally
i have sun mercury moon and node in 10 th house ( a 10 house stellium) so i have always had trouble with authorian figures and they manipulated me in the name of being a 'guradian'
i have saturn in fifth house which means a difficult ,strict upbringing. my natal chart is the entire proof on why things have happened to me.
but now i have decided to work on those issues and im so happy now.i ve learnt to channel moon-pluto and sun pluto energy in positive way.

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mystictinkerbell
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posted October 26, 2015 02:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mystictinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry for the grammatical errors... "guardian"

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Mars/Pluto Emperor
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posted October 26, 2015 02:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mars/Pluto Emperor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mystictinkerbell:
I have been physically and emotionally abused by both my parents.Since my home has always been so disturbing, people in school sensed my emotional nature,passiveness and they bullied me.they took advantage of me.i was physically and sexually abused in school (by my own friend) ,and even my bus driver has sexually abused me.i havent told it to anyone. its my biggest secret.my mother assaulted me with knife.still have scar.
Really crazy aspects in my chart
I have following aspects in natal-
moon sextile pluto 0.4'
mars conjuct pluto 1'
sun sextile pluto 3'
i have venus mars and pluto in 12 house natally
i have sun mercury moon and node in 10 th house ( a 10 house stellium) so i have always had trouble with authorian figures and they manipulated me in the name of being a 'guradian'
i have saturn in fifth house which means a difficult ,strict upbringing. my natal chart is the entire proof on why things have happened to me.
but now i have decided to work on those issues and im so happy now.i ve learnt to channel moon-pluto and sun pluto energy in positive way.

It must of been hard tbh,and it's fine lol I have a Mars Square pluto,chiron conjunct pluto,pluto in 4th,Pluto opposite MC,Pluto square AS,also pluto is the main part of a Yod that I have,so Power will always be a common theme In my life.

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mystictinkerbell
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posted October 26, 2015 02:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mystictinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not sure where exactly but there's this article saying that for those whose charts are pluto dominant they have accesses to god's power.Not literally of course it means you can achieve anything you want and be anything you want .Pluto is concerned with intensity and depth therefore diving in depth of emotions and healing yourself makes you feel powerful.Pluto bring slight troubles in childhood but as we grow up we learn how to be the strongest emotionally .Pluto people know about power politics better than anybody and with such aspects they know how to survive literally anywhere.anywhere. Intesity,depth,research healing( to some extent) determination are the main traits of pluto.

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Geminiyoungster
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posted October 26, 2015 03:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geminiyoungster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mystictinkerbell:
I have been physically and emotionally abused by both my parents.Since my home has always been so disturbing, people in school sensed my emotional nature,passiveness and they bullied me.they took advantage of me.i was physically and sexually abused in school (by my own friend) ,and even my bus driver has sexually abused me.i havent told it to anyone. its my biggest secret.my mother assaulted me with knife.still have scar.
Really crazy aspects in my chart
I have following aspects in natal-
moon sextile pluto 0.4'
mars conjuct pluto 1'
sun sextile pluto 3'
i have venus mars and pluto in 12 house natally
i have sun mercury moon and node in 10 th house ( a 10 house stellium) so i have always had trouble with authorian figures and they manipulated me in the name of being a 'guradian'
i have saturn in fifth house which means a difficult ,strict upbringing. my natal chart is the entire proof on why things have happened to me.
but now i have decided to work on those issues and im so happy now.i ve learnt to channel moon-pluto and sun pluto energy in positive way.

Omg, Tinkbell! Im so sorrry that the happen to you! That mars conjucnt pluto is a bully or get bullied by people...

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Geminiyoungster
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posted October 26, 2015 04:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geminiyoungster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You know something? When i was in school I wasn't what you would say bullied, but when it came to people the bullying was very subtle! I never had people attack me alone, it was always in a group in front of people, maybe that's the 11th house dominant in leo . I will admit that I am a little shy and I do tend to stick to myself. I dress nice and keep up my appearance, (libra rising) so people tend to say im stuck up. I'm not that good at small talk, i like it, but not my cup of tea.. Anywhoo, I had one person who was intimidated by me so he got his little cousin on the bus to say things to me because he knew that I wouldn't say anything back to a little child.

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PixieJane
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posted October 26, 2015 04:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From my perspective, I didn't get bullied a lot. But from my perspective, it has to be deliberate and chronic, not just someone having a bad day, or even just making someone else feel inadequate without even meaning to (others, however, consider this and more to be "bullying"). I consider both hazing (where it's understood that after a "trial period" then the nastiness will stop and they'll be "initiated" and accepted, typically to then haze others who want to join--but NOT including "hazing freshmen" and like, for what I hope are obvious reasons, but I'll explain if it's not) and shunning to be distinct from bullying (though shunning often happens with it, but it might just be that others are scared of being targeted and therefore just self-preservation rather than personal). But also worth noting, I had a tendency to nip bullying in the bud, and when I kicked a boy in the face, I got a lot of thank yous from girls I never talked to before as he sexually bullied/harassed (grey area there) many girls, and because I nipped that in the bud it doesn't feel like bullying in my memory, but technically it was, I just stopped it before it got chronic to register as such to me.

But interesting bit from an astrological period: about the time I kicked that boy in the face, Pluto was transiting my 5H stellium, which includes moon, Mars, Uranus, Neptune (all sextile to my 3H stellium that includes natal Pluto--I'm not sure if this affected my Plutonian transit or not). Presumably the power of Pluto was energizing that stellium (many of the planets on the Scorpio cusp, just as my natal Pluto was also on the Scorpio cusp in the 3H).

Shortly after I was placed in a mental ward (long story short, it was an insurance scam, and my kicking that boy in the face was used as the excuse), and there I faced hell from adults and kids both. I'd just turned 13 and one of the youngest in the ward. There was a "Commons" room where boys and girls met, but when I went, a high school boy was definitely a sexual bully that I literally fled from while he and his friends laughed...and then his high school girlfriend, with her friends, beat the living hell out of me (because his violence against me was my fault, don't you know, made her feel unattractive so I had to pay despite that I considered what he did to me to be its own punishment) and continued to torment me horribly for like 2 months after (until I got sent to a different ward) and that was traumatic enough that as I read of a bullying scene nearly 20 years later in the book Let the Right One In (btw, I bet you'd love the movie to that, I mean the Swedish version rather than American, trailer) I had to put the book down and walk outside as it brought back the daily terror of that. (Though what the adults did was far, far worse than either the boys or the girls.)


My own life continued to disintegrate until I was a runaway on the streets at the age of 15 (Pluto still transiting my natal Sag stellium), and just lost the last of everything I had, and was right at the verge of suicide (and believed I'd have done it if not grappled and stopped). And then I encountered Freya in a vision, which was perhaps a culmination of my life, and though there were "rational" explanations to this happening, there were also paranormal aspects as well. But this isn't about that, but rather my transformation which Freya was the key, who basically told me the power was in my hands, and I didn't have to react, rather I could exert my own personal power.

And I did. People noticed right away that I was different, more determined. Not the same as you, but not entirely different either. But where it really became noteworthy was when 3 skinheads, offended by something earlier that I didn't yet understand, stopped me from going to the restroom in the place that we all were at. Once I realized they were not going to let me pass (and were essentially bullying me), I picked up a chair and slammed it into one and then attacked the others...and though smaller, I was also faster, used to pain, and my spiked rings and boots proved competent, as they got the full force of my Sag Mars-Uranus being transited by Pluto.

I got banged up back (bleeding from my mouth, any kind of salt burned my mouth, for example) I didn't stop, and when one slung me back (and I spat out blood), I was sick of them so drew my butterfly knives. To this day I don't know if it was that that caused the banged up trio to flee or the crowd rushing in to see (that included skinhead-hating punks as well as my own Krew/gang of fellow runaways). I was an instant celebrity.

Of course, it wasn't over...


Fast forward many months later (and now 16), I was back in school (though placed in ABC, Adaptive Behavior Class, which was a lot like in school suspension) and I went by myself to work on a poem while waiting for the buses to take us home when the obnoxious cheerleaders of that school who were terrible bullies (drove at least one I know of to attempt suicide, and when one mother somehow forced them to let a girl they didn't like onto the team, they threw her up and "forgot to catch her" so that she was hospitalized, and like the male jocks, they got away with the most outrageous acts of bullying, which is why they did it) decided to target me, my calm thought was that this needed to be nipped in the bud, and after I fought multiple male skinheads and came out on top (and unbowed when several skinheads beat me to a bloody pulp later until punks and my krew intervened) I was NOT about to cower before sheltered middle class girls. I realized they were in excellent physical shape, but so was I, and I was betting I could hurt them bad enough before they took me down that they'd never attack me again.

As it was, I attacked the leader and the other cheerleaders only screamed at me (I think I may have been kicked and hit once or twice each, but if so I barely felt it), and as the head cheerleader quickly fell before me, I instantly downgraded from street fighting to schoolyard fighting...there's more to it than that, and of course the school faculty took their side, but no one ever tried to bully me again.

Well there was one teacher, but it was right after the Columbine shooting. Long story short, the faculty knew they deserved the same treatment and a story I'd helped write included the principal and two ABC teachers getting killed (though they had to know that was my co-author since I'd written a less violent original one that they'd confiscated, and the co-author wrote a lot of violent fiction, both of us inspired by The Matrix at the time), and one of those killed in the story dug her nails into my arm so hard (as she went to take me to the office so that the principal could interrogate me about the story) that she left bruises. I slammed her back into the wall and told her that was one line she did not cross, and she was terrified. (My mom was waiting in the office and I'd be sent home to start in school suspension the following day, and that following day I was interrogated for slamming the teacher against the wall, and I think the only reason they didn't call the cops on me is because I had bruises from where she dug her nails into me while she had nothing to show for what I'd done to her, and they knew that I was way too articulate--having a packed 3H Libra stellium which includes sun and Merc as well, and don't forget Pluto there, has its advantages!).

Crap, I gotta go to bed, hope this was what you wanted!

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HoodBlaze
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posted October 26, 2015 04:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HoodBlaze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jeez pixie, vibes to your strong soul. Glad you're ok now. Hope you're happy

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