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Dancing Maenad unregistered	posted November 03, 2015 03:40 PM I don't know how many of you have heard. They say it's the biggest tragedy in Romania since the '89 revolution. It happened at a night club in Bucharest on October 30th, during a rock concert. There were mostly young people there, around 300 of them. 27 died in the fire, another 5 in the next days in the hospitals and that number is expected to go up soon. The estimated wounded are around 180, most are hospitalized, some are severe and even critical. Why is this so tragic, it happened before in other countries with much more casualties? I don't know, I guess because I got involved in it. I was enjoying a quiet evening at home that night, studying and I was contemplating spending the whole week-end reading and studying. I got a phone call at 23:15 announcing the fire and that around 25 burn victims will arrive at the hospital where I work. I got dressed and I went to work. The ER when I got there was like a war zone and nothing prepared me for the view I got when I arrived to the OR. Most patients had very deep burns, some were extensive. Most had airway burns or smoke inhalation injuries. Most were disfigured. We finished in the OR at around 6 AM. I never knew when that time passed. I've treated burn patients before, I knew what to expect. But this time, it was different. I don't know why, my guess is I am much more sensitive to human tragedy since my mom died. But mostly because of how it all happened. The fire started at 22:32 and less than a minute later the whole ceiling was falling on them. It happened much too fast. There was only one exit and some of them were actually killed in the stampede trying to get out. Maybe it was because my boyfriend, my cousin and several of my friends had friends or family in there. Maybe it's because I've slept about 12h since it happened and I've been there everyday and I can't shake the smell of burnt skin from my head. Maybe because I think I hear them screaming for help in my head. Or because most of them were college graduates or professionals with a brilliant future ahead of them. One of my patients is an international olympic in mathematics. Or because the story behind this tragedy uncovers big corruptions in our systems. People are starting to riot and my feelings are right with them. I can't leave the hospital much to riot, but I would if I could. I am physically, psychologically and emotionally exhausted. All their stories touched me so deeply, it's such a shame to see young life end so roughly. Tonight is the first time I spend back at my place, because I was either on call or crashed at my bf's house because I didn't want to be alone. I can't sleep. I haven't been able to fall asleep since it happened. I thought about how the event chart would look like. I'm too tired perhaps to notice too many details, but I think that Karma conj MC on my natal Sun says a lot about my involvement in this incident. I also couldn't ignore the Moon sq Mars, nor the Pluto sq Karma and MC, nor the fire angles, nor Uranus in the 10th. We are in shock for sure, the whole nation still is. Let me know your thoughts. If you have suggestions for asteroids, I'll put them up. My eyes are stingy and I can't think of any of them that would suit. I'm sure there are. IP: Logged
Vajra Knowflake Posts: 1737 From: Europe Registered: Dec 2012	posted November 03, 2015 05:10 PM . IP: Logged
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18268 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014	posted November 03, 2015 05:29 PM I was thinking about doing it too but wanted to research some fire asteroids. I will still look for them. I thought about you, DM, and how hard it must be for you these days Try to rest please. My sister often went there, and her group of friends (luckily without my sister) passed by the club that night, just moments before the fire, but luckily were not in the mood for a concert, they were looking to dance. But my sister, me, and many of my friends could have been there, we are all avid rockers. And this doesn't even matter too much, for it's as if brothers and sisters died for all of us. The club had been approved for functioning where it shouldn't have, you don't need a brain bigger than a pea to know you can't run and approve a club which has a dry wooden fence on the ceiling; it took 10 seconds to burn. Heroic people, blogger Claudiu Petre and drummer Adrian Rugina went in several times to save other people and died. May peace and healing come to the families of those who so absurdly were lost, may the wounded heal and those who are responsible with preventing these things be punished and changed. I'll be back to look at the chart. IP: Logged
Belage Knowflake Posts: 2405 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009	posted November 03, 2015 05:29 PM I am very sorry to hear of this tragedy. I looked up Romania's independence day and it's on December 1st, which is normally at 7-8degrees of Sagg. Saturn is approaching a square to Neptune at exactly that degree and I think it's a significant part of this. Transit Chiron in Pisces exactly opposite Jupiter in Virgo points to some kind of negligence which contributed to making this a tragedy. We currently have a stellium in Virgo, and when planets are in Virgo, attention to details and desire to meet high standards are very important. Negligence will exact a high price. This tragedy will make the country reexamine the way certain standards regarding public safety are met and will hopefully lead to major improvements. A special thought for those who lost their lives, as well as for those who died saving others. IP: Logged
Faith Knowflake Posts: 20055 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011	posted November 03, 2015 05:44 PM Too, too sad Sorry for all your pain and heartache, Mae. What a horrible tragedy, taking so many great people, so fast....but I'm really glad to know the burn victims are in good hands (yours). Wishing healing and strength for everyone affected. Karma-Uranus on the Aries MC really makes me wonder...and the ASC had just switched over into Leo, shifting chart ruler to the Scorpio sun, which was trine 8H Neptune with only 0.01 orb? I guess the Scorpio-Neptune death theme was literal then... IP: Logged
hannaramaa Knowflake Posts: 11677 From: Registered: Nov 2011	posted November 03, 2015 06:05 PM quote: Originally posted by Faith: Too, too sad Sorry for all your pain and heartache, Mae. What a horrible tragedy, taking so many great people, so fast....but I'm really glad to know the burn victims are in good hands (yours). Wishing healing and strength for everyone affected. +1 IP: Logged
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18268 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014	posted November 03, 2015 06:26 PM First thing I noticed, and couldn't ignore, a possible Yod there, releasing in Chiron. The apex is 16-17 Virgo 16-17 deg Virgo A Volcanic Eruption it's almost unbelievable, those Sabians Jupiter rules the 6th by last seconds, and Pluto is there. With Jupiter dispositing both Saturn and Pluto. IP: Logged
lalalinda Moderator Posts: 4939 From: nevada Registered: Apr 2009	posted November 03, 2015 07:34 PM I know how you must feel...just drained. Sending positive thoughts your way ------------------ "There ain't no revolution, only evolution, but every time I'm in Georgia I 'eat a peach' for peace." Duane Allman IP: Logged
Gemini Blues Knowflake Posts: 1278 From: The future... or the past. I get them confused... Registered: May 2014	posted November 03, 2015 10:22 PM I have no words for what you are going through. Only my prayers. And a hug and a shoulder, even if its only a virtual one. IP: Logged
Dancing Maenad unregistered	posted November 03, 2015 11:42 PM Thank you, everyone! Your words and support mean so much for me! I am sorry that maybe I won't have time or energy to reply every time, but I'll read your thoughts and opinions about what happened. I'm curious. I think this is a turning point in the history of my country. On our national day we want to go to the streets and protest. I will be there, too, after I see my patients. I've gathered too much frustration and sadness for years about the way things are managed in my country. Things need to change. I think another revolution might be likely. I don't know. My fight will probably be in the hospital, not the front. But I'll be there day and night. @Vajra I missed talking to you so much! I've been going through a lot this year and the last 4 months in particular. Shock after shock. Whenever the phone rings I wonder if the person calling is announcing another death or illness or bad situation, because this has been the norm for me lately. I really hope to catch up with you soon! @Sweet LeeLoo! I thought about you too!! I didn't even know you go to that club! OMG!!! I know several people that would have been there if something else didn't come up, I thank the stars they weren't! I myself didn't know anyone there, I don't go to clubs except very rarely (like, once a year or two lol). The first time I heard I thought it happened in Bamboo or another fancy rich kids club. I thought, cr@p so many pitzipoance to treat (sorry, I don't know the English word for an attention seeking, bad taste, social climbing type of girl that frequents those clubs). But then I got to the ER and saw leather pants and rock boots on the floor.. I became much more sympathetic (I'm not a rocker myself, but my boyfriend is and some of my friends). I am sorry now that I was so prejudiced. No matter who it happened to, it's still a tragedy, but I do believe it's a much bigger one because they were ALL such beautiful people (and I don't mean physically, though some were also). These were educated people, they all had good jobs, paid their taxes, they were all intellectuals, artists, THINKERS. I am revolted that this happened to them. I probably would be no matter who it happened to, but more so now. My boyfriend knew Adi Rugina, he was like a mentor to him, and my cousin and her husband are very good friends with Claudiu Petre. They called me on Saturday to ask me if he's in my hospital because the family was desperate, he was missing and he wasn't at the morgue. I called several hospitals and tried to find him. Then we found out he was dead and that he saved a few people before he died. I cried when I heard. I never knew him, but it felt like I lost someone important. I felt the same when we lost our first patient in the hospital, even though I wasn't on her case. She had burns on 90% body surface. We knew she didn't have a chance of surviving, but she was a fighter, she fought for 24 hours to live. She was conscious when we brought her to the operating room. I saw pictures of her before the tragedy.. as well as other people's photos.. they all look beautiful and dear to me. I am saddened beyond words. IP: Logged
Dancing Maenad unregistered	posted November 03, 2015 11:55 PM @Belage, yes, December 1st is our national day. But Romanian astrologers debate which is the chart representing our country the best. The December 1st, 1918 chart is probably the most fitted one. Just look at the ASC!!!!! I'll post it, as well as the synastry with the fire. Romania's astrological chart: Synastry with the event IP: Logged
Dancing Maenad unregistered	posted November 03, 2015 11:56 PM I have to go to the hospital, I am sorry I don't have the time to answer everyone individually. Thank you for your words and kindness! IP: Logged
Vajra Knowflake Posts: 1737 From: Europe Registered: Dec 2012	posted November 04, 2015 08:11 AM . IP: Logged
lalalinda Moderator Posts: 4939 From: nevada Registered: Apr 2009	posted November 04, 2015 08:56 AM Bucharest nightclub fire: PM and government resign after protest http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/04/romanian-government-resigns-nightclub-fire-victor-ponta tragic fire. So sorry you had to go through that DM. ------------------ "There ain't no revolution, only evolution, but every time I'm in Georgia I 'eat a peach' for peace." Duane Allman IP: Logged
mirage29 Knowflake Posts: 6313 From: us Registered: May 2012	posted November 04, 2015 11:37 AM quote: Originally posted by Gemini Blues: I have no words for what you are going through. Only my prayers. And a hug and a shoulder, even if its only a virtual one. IP: Logged
LeeLoo2014 Knowflake Posts: 18268 From: Venus cornering Neptune Registered: Mar 2014	posted November 08, 2015 11:11 AM I'm so sorry dear DM it is horrible Please hang in there, be strong and rest. Update: 12 young people out of the wounded died yesterday and this morning, one by one. IP: Logged
Faith Knowflake Posts: 20055 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011	posted November 08, 2015 11:36 AM Thanks for the update, Lee. So horrible. Still keeping you in my prayers, Mae. And all those who are suffering because of this. IP: Logged
seekinglight Knowflake Posts: 153 From: Registered: Mar 2014	posted November 08, 2015 11:43 AM This is the second tragedy I heard this year. Check out Taiwan Colour Run tragedy 2015 - similar explosion incident with around 500 young people injured, so much so that hospitals ran out of beds to cope with such large number of burnt victims at once. And the poor victims have to wait... Sending my prayers to those in needs.. IP: Logged
Dancing Maenad unregistered	posted November 09, 2015 01:12 AM Thank you, dear ones! Thank you, Vajra, for making that thread! There is still a lot of tension here, and I've had a few days when I thought I couldn't go on anymore, but we also receive support from people who encourage us and lift our spirits. It meant everything during these times. I've been thinking a lot about the fire and some details that seem coincidences. I don't think they were, I think they were messages. Like this song from the band that was doing the concert that night. Read the lyrics, they've become our manifesto during our fight to take back our country from the corrupt politicians. I sadly only now discovered this band, when it is no more. 3 of the 5 musicians have died, the other 2 are critical. They were so talented. One of them is my boyfriend's friend, we're breathlessly waiting to hear the inevitable. His condition deteriorated yesterday. http://www.youtube.com/watch/?v=APQLbhk-rfY#Goodbye_to_Gravity_-_The_Day_We_Die We're not numbers, we're free, we're so alive Cause the day we give in is the day we die! It gives me chills how appropriate this song is to the circumstances. They sung it that night.. Then there's also that chart. I see some weird coincidences there too. MC conj Karma in both the event chart and our country's chart?! What would've been the odds?! There are others, I was hoping we could discuss them when I get some more free time. As for me, I am taking a 3 day break from my hospital, only to attend a training in burns at a large burn center in Berlin. It was programmed way before all this happened, but that's another "coincidence", isn't it? I regret leaving my patients, but they are doing better and I know they will be well taken care of by my colleagues. We're living interesting times, for sure. IP: Logged
Dancing Maenad unregistered	posted November 22, 2015 05:11 PM I don't know where to put this. I don't even know if I should. It seems so awkward in a time like this, but I can't help how I feel. I can't shake a feeling of strange familiarity with a man who died in the fire. I never knew him or of him, we have nothing in common (well, not true, we have a friend in common according to FB), yet his energy seemed so oddly familiar to me. It's not like I already knew how his voice sounds like or other paranormal sensations, nothing of the sort, just something in my gut. I neglected this feeling because there was always something else to do, to think about. Today I found out his birth date (but not the year). His Sun is on my IC, right between my Venus and my Chiron. It did sent some shivers down my spine, but now I want to know his year of birth too. But... why? Why would I want to know, what would knowing give me? I will never know him in person. What could possibly comfort me in raising his chart, without a tob?! He and other people that were hurt or died in the fire changed me already. Perhaps a part of me would have wanted to send that feedback to them, but.. I guess sending it on the ether here is as good as it will get. It just feels personal as all f#cks. I feel awkward for wanting to look at his chart. I feel awkward even for reviving this thread. The world has moved on. I can't. IP: Logged
PaulMcFly unregistered	posted November 22, 2015 05:18 PM the world will never get better as long as we continue to sit back and spectate these tragedies. IP: Logged
Vajra Knowflake Posts: 1737 From: Europe Registered: Dec 2012	posted November 22, 2015 05:29 PM . IP: Logged
Dancing Maenad unregistered	posted November 22, 2015 05:35 PM I agree, PaulMcFly. My closest friends criticize me, though, that I've become emotionally overwhelmed by this. They're right, but I can't stand their criticism right now. I am scared that I will forget if I let it go. And I can't forget, nobody should. IP: Logged
Dancing Maenad unregistered	posted November 22, 2015 05:45 PM Vajra, thank you! I am in contact with my therapist, who volunteered to help as well in the hospital, but there was never any time for a proper session. Things are still pretty hectic and yesterday was the first day when I actually took time for myself, put my phone on silent mode and had a bubble bath and a clay mask lol. But I couldn't stay still for more than 10 minutes, I got back to reading articles and keeping my mind busy with the latest news. So much is happening all around.. Thursday there was a fire in the hospital, it was easily controlled but I got a few sniffs of heavy smoke and imagined it was ten times worse for the people in the club fire. Friday night a hospital employee was shattered by a drunk driver while crossing the street, right in front of the hospital. His wife also works there and she's very dear to me. It seems like there's tragedy after tragedy happening, at a lower scale, as well as the bigger one. I don't know who to feel sad for first. It's just been such a brutal year for me and in general too. I feel awkward for wanting to check charts at a time like this. Everything feels so shallow to me right now. I just posted a harsh comment to Paloma Faith's Only love can hurt like this song. It just feels ridiculous to think I used to suffer so much from what I thought was love at the time, ignoring what was happening all around me, the real dramas of real people. So I want to look at charts but also don't have the patience to do it. Besides, I can't find out his birth data, I can't exactly ask, it's inappropriate. I'm meddling and shouldn't be. I wish I had known him. And a few others too. I wish I'd be more like him, like them. They were so full of life, they lived so vibrantly! And now they're gone and it hurts. I didn't know it can hurt so bad if you never knew the person. IP: Logged
Vajra Knowflake Posts: 1737 From: Europe Registered: Dec 2012	posted November 22, 2015 06:13 PM . IP: Logged

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