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Littleh Knowflake Posts: 90 From: Norwich Registered: Oct 2013	posted November 21, 2015 07:29 AM Hi all, very topical at the moment and curious to know people's views - do you think a potential extremist personality is evident in the natal chart and if so what aspects would you expect to see? IP: Logged
Littleh Knowflake Posts: 90 From: Norwich Registered: Oct 2013	posted November 21, 2015 07:35 AM One definition of an Extremist being defined as "a person who holds extreme political or religious views especially one who advocates illegal, violent or other extreme action" IP: Logged
frankie2912 Knowflake Posts: 1658 From: Here and There Registered: Apr 2011	posted November 21, 2015 07:42 AM Well..dont serial killers tend to have a lot of Sag placements? I remember reading that in a thread before. They are often very zealous and do things according to their own creed. And hey, serial killing is pretty extreme. I wouldnt be surprised if the charts of some of these terrorists were Sag heavy and afflicted. Ive read that these types of people also might have lots of Gem or Cancer. IP: Logged
Littleh Knowflake Posts: 90 From: Norwich Registered: Oct 2013	posted November 21, 2015 07:58 AM Yeah Saggs tend to be strong people although fairly good natured I think unless there's some serious afflictions as you say. Maybe Scorpio/Pluto influences as don't they tend to be very broody, so could harbour feelings of resentment and a build up of strong emotions (no offence intended to any Scorps or Plutonians out there!) IP: Logged
Dreaminess unregistered	posted November 21, 2015 08:22 AM I have noticed hard saturn aspects in the natals of people that have brought a lot of misery and punishment into other peoples lives for not living according to their rules/faith or whatever. Like bin laden, saddam hussein and hitler all had hard saturn aspects to their personal planets. IP: Logged
DopGang Knowflake Posts: 3110 From: MBTI - INTJ -- Enneagram - 5w6 Registered: Jun 2015	posted November 21, 2015 08:39 AM Could be anyone if they believe in something extreme. History and even today shows masses of people who believe in extreme beliefs and do extreme things. Sorry if I'm spoiling things with vagueness but that's how I see it. IP: Logged
Littleh Knowflake Posts: 90 From: Norwich Registered: Oct 2013	posted November 21, 2015 09:14 AM Yes afflicted Saturn or maybe strong and afflicted Mars and Pluto placements. No I agree DopGang and no doubt external factors play a major part IP: Logged
Belage Knowflake Posts: 2405 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009	posted November 21, 2015 09:15 AM Strong saturn and pluto influence. IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 68989 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted November 21, 2015 09:16 AM quote: Originally posted by Littleh: Hi all, very topical at the moment and curious to know people's views - do you think a potential extremist personality is evident in the natal chart and if so what aspects would you expect to see? I would say that one can't see it in the chart. It is indoctrinated from birth on. ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ IP: Logged
Vajra Knowflake Posts: 1737 From: Europe Registered: Dec 2012	posted November 21, 2015 09:58 AM . IP: Logged
Littleh Knowflake Posts: 90 From: Norwich Registered: Oct 2013	posted November 21, 2015 10:48 AM Hi Vajra I've had a quick look at the charts of just a couple of them and there is some significant Nodal connections in the two I've looked at so far; I can see that Ulrike Meinhof's Pluto in Mars conjuncts a Jan Carl' Radpe'd North Node in Mars. and Jan Carl's Venus and Pluto in Leo oppose Meinhoff's North Node in Aquarius almost exactly. I think they'd have felt and possibly been bound by these fairly strong nodal connections.... IP: Logged
Littleh Knowflake Posts: 90 From: Norwich Registered: Oct 2013	posted November 21, 2015 11:19 AM Sorry that was meant to read; Jan-Carl's Venus and Pluto in Leo oppose Ulrike Meinhoff's North Node in Aquarius almost exact. And Ulrike Meinhoff's Pluto in Cancer conjuncts Jan-Carl's North Node in Cancer. Strong Nodal aspects between those two alone! IP: Logged
Dreaminess unregistered	posted November 21, 2015 01:34 PM I have seen a lot of charts of people that are in jail that have done horrible things to other people and it always shows either an afflicted saturn or they are influenced by the number 8 in numerology, and 8 i`ve read is ruled by saturn. Saturn truly is the dictator with his boring rules that likes to punish and inflict pain onto others who don`t follow them. So i definitively wouldn`t have been surprised to see an afflicted saturn or 8th influence in numerology in the charts of extremists. In my experience even "healthy" afflicted saturnians that isn`t that extreme even them have a bad habit of dragging people down with negativity, restriction and so and just enjoys putting peoples mood down. It seems like seeing joy in others puts them in a bad mood. IP: Logged
missblyss Knowflake Posts: 665 From: Registered: May 2016	posted November 21, 2015 01:37 PM i would think saturn square mars or pluto or perhaps even a uranus neptune square or neptune pluto. thinking that you are some kind of guru who needs to exterminate in order to purify, kinda being up in the neptune delusion, but with some hard, deep, intense aspects to it. IP: Logged
missblyss Knowflake Posts: 665 From: Registered: May 2016	posted November 21, 2015 01:46 PM reading this description for saturn square pluto, it is certainly seeming like this psychological perspective could result in some sort of extremist activity. i'll include an excerpt from astromatrix "With this aspect, it is likely that you will feel quite restricted by social and environmental constraints, and that the influence of the society in which you live will have considerable impact upon your life, often appearing to be a negative one. Frustration appears to be inevitable; and you may feel that you are having to carry 'a burden for society', where you are involved in some way with a personal responsibility for some of society's troubles." I once knew a man with this placement, he was middle-eastern and felt SO burdened by society's view on middle eastern people. He felt that society was holding him back. He had the notion that the world was extremely against him and there were certain underlying energies of him feeling that he needed to be extreme back to change it. I have had MANY middle eastern friends, most very close, and only he was burdened by this very defeating perspective. IP: Logged
Belage Knowflake Posts: 2405 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009	posted November 21, 2015 02:11 PM quote: Originally posted by Dreaminess: I have seen a lot of charts of people that are in jail that have done horrible things to other people and it always shows either an afflicted saturn or they are influenced by the number 8 in numerology, and 8 i`ve read is ruled by saturn. Saturn truly is the dictator with his boring rules that likes to punish and inflict pain onto others who don`t follow them. So i definitively wouldn`t have been surprised to see an afflicted saturn or 8th influence in numerology in the charts of extremists. In my experience even "healthy" afflicted saturnians that isn`t that extreme even them have a bad habit of dragging people down with negativity, restriction and so and just enjoys putting peoples mood down. It seems like seeing joy in others puts them in a bad mood. I agree, I have noticed the negative use of the 8 energy and to a lesser extent the 4 energy as a constant in the analysis of famous criminals. IP: Logged
VenusDiSirius Knowflake Posts: 6569 From: Registered: Aug 2010	posted November 21, 2015 02:58 PM Fire - Water placements predominantly, or exclusively. IP: Logged
maira Knowflake Posts: 1245 From: Registered: Jun 2009	posted November 21, 2015 04:39 PM quote: Originally posted by Vajra: Here are their astrowiki entries with charts: Gudrun Ensslin Ulrike Meinhof Andreas Baader Jan-Carl Raspe The Wikipedia entry describing their activities is here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction I've often wondered what made these particular people bond with each other, form a terrorist group, and turn to violence. Maybe someone here has an idea? Hi Vajra, Pluto stands out to me in the natals - the first two have Pluto Moon and the last two have Pluto Sun, this alone would make for a common language. After that, it's transits and synastry. I would also do a four way composite on astro.com - that would tell the whole story, I think. Was the first girl, the one with the grand trine, the leader? IP: Logged
maira Knowflake Posts: 1245 From: Registered: Jun 2009	posted November 21, 2015 04:44 PM quote: Originally posted by VenusDiSirius: Fire - Water placements predominantly, or exclusively. Venus! E-mail me when you have the time What's the reasoning, earth is too connected to mother earth's energy and air too rational? I always think Pluto when someone mentions extremism. Just look at the keywords on this page: intense, extreme, violent, killer, deep. Yeap, Pluto IP: Logged
VenusDiSirius Knowflake Posts: 6569 From: Registered: Aug 2010	posted November 21, 2015 06:40 PM Adele's voice HELLO! Will do, BABE. quote: Originally posted by maira: I always think Pluto when someone mentions extremism. Just look at the keywords on this page: intense, extreme, violent, killer, deep. Yeap, Pluto Pluto, without doubt. But, in those who orchestrate the attack. Those who actually get killed/kill (suicide bombers e.g) in the process are of a different kind. IP: Logged
Belage Knowflake Posts: 2405 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009	posted November 21, 2015 07:00 PM quote: Originally posted by VenusDiSirius: Adele's voice HELLO! Will do, BABE. Pluto, without doubt. But, in those who orchestrate the attack. Those who actually get killed/kill (suicide bombers e.g) in the process are of a different kind. I suspect harsh neptune aspects are involved in charts of suicide bombers. Combined perhaps with pluto. IP: Logged
VenusDiSirius Knowflake Posts: 6569 From: Registered: Aug 2010	posted November 21, 2015 07:21 PM quote: Originally posted by Belage: I suspect harsh neptune aspects are involved in charts of suicide bombers. Combined perhaps with pluto. They* are not actually religious, by and large. They do however have personality disorders; anxiety and fear are common. *"the Western extremists" IP: Logged
Odette Moderator Posts: 6755 From: Registered: May 2012	posted November 21, 2015 08:51 PM Taurus/Sagittarius/Aries mix of things. The Taurus is the main ingredient IP: Logged
Vajra Knowflake Posts: 1737 From: Europe Registered: Dec 2012	posted November 22, 2015 10:00 AM . IP: Logged
Vajra Knowflake Posts: 1737 From: Europe Registered: Dec 2012	posted November 22, 2015 10:30 AM . IP: Logged

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