posted December 06, 2015 08:58 PM            

Perhaps I'm only examining the opposition, which I have, and would presumably be more difficult than the square.

posted December 06, 2015 11:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
I believe they most likely suffer from a chemical imbalance that retards the relating faculty. Much in the way a child with autism can't pick up social cues, people with this aspect are challenged in the relationship arena. As Venus rules relationships. They suffer a retardation, violently. As Pluto has a violent & unfair energy to it.

They are scary because there is usually no reasoning with them. Their acts are awfully self righteous and grossly unfair.

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Absolutely not. Generalizations serve no purpose. I have Jupiter and Venus dominate and I always try to be fair and be good to people. Guess who ends up getting hurt.

It is people's individual actions that decide whether they'll act right or wrong. Then again what is right; acting the way you want me to? People don't mesh and that's all there is to it. Any ways, I really doubt anyone who enters a Plutonian interaction is all that innocent themselves since these set ups are predestined to spark power plays but whatever. I choose not to participate.

posted December 09, 2015 12:31 AM            

I have lost so many relationships because of my jealousy. However, at first i didn't realize it was because of my jealousy and possessiveness. I thought it was because my ex's would just be uncaring and not loving enough and selfish.

It took me a while to realize that i was the problem. I'm working on my jealousy issues but it is not easy.

For instance, i can't stand having a girlfriend that has guy friends. That really sets me over the edge. Everytime i let her out to see her friends, i assume she's cheating on me with her guy friends and so many awful images run through my mind.

posted December 09, 2015 01:40 AM            

Thank you for sharing and being so honest.

Do you mind if I ask a few questions?

Why do you think you have jealousy? What do you think really drives it underneath the surface?

posted December 09, 2015 02:18 AM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Gemini,

Thank you for sharing and being so honest.

Do you mind if I ask a few questions?

Why do you think you have jealousy? What do you think really drives it underneath the surface?

Do you think it was inherited since you probably seen the things your father did?

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Sure i'll answer your questions

To be honest, my jealousy comes from my insecurities plain and simple. I really don't think it comes from inheriting it from my father.

My insecurities comes from me being ultra competitive (moon trine mars 0 degree orb). One time with one of my ex's this was about back in Summer of 2014. We were both at the nearby Mall shopping for some swim gear, when i noticed that the Cashier working at the sporting goods store was really good looking and being that i'm so competitive, i did not like that he was better looking than me.

Automatically thoughts were racing through my mind, "I hope this guy doesn't try to flirt with my girl." "My girl better not even gaze her eyes at this guy." You know...those kind of thoughts. My blood is already boiling at this point. I start getting anxious and sweaty as my awful thoughts are racing through my mind. As we approached the guy to payout, i noticed that he was smiling a bit too hard at my then girlfriend and she was smiling back and giving him that "look." To make a long story short, i snapped and was on the verge of really hurting the poor guy. I say poor guy now because i now know i was totally in the wrong. That was no way for me to behave. Security got involved and luckily they let me go instead of taking me to the police station. 3 weeks after the incident, my girlfriend broke up with me.

That is just one of my stories of my rage of jealousy. I've never gotten so angry to hit a woman though, not like my father did to my mother. Like i said, i don't want to repeat what my father did. However, i truly believe that what i saw my father did in the past, and my own jealousy issues, is what has caused me to stay away from being in a long term relationship.

posted December 09, 2015 11:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Gracha:
Bingo. This is me and I'm venus opposite pluto. Screw me over especially in love and it's donzo they're usually left saying I did them wrong. People forget there's a reaction to every action.

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EXACTLY! I have Venus square Pluto and I can be the nicest, most loyal person to you but once someone has continuously pushed my buttons and doesn't seem to care, I snap and blow up at them then I usually cut them out of my life and let karma do its thing. I always seem to befriend/date people who become obsessed w me and then they end up using me/stabbing me in the back. Even if I point things out along the way on how they're hurting me they either don't listen or don't take me seriously then they're just *appalled* when I snap and tell them off, like I'm just gonna keep taking their abuse and not stand up for myself. They always just sit there and act like they did nothing wrong and try to turn it around and say that i wronged them. However most of their points on how i 'wronged' them are overeggerated/misinterpreted bs while my points are legit examples of how they hurt me in a situation yet they still deny it!

posted December 09, 2015 11:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Gracha:
Bingo. This is me and I'm venus opposite pluto. Screw me over especially in love and it's donzo they're usually left saying I did them wrong. People forget there's a reaction to every action.

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posted December 09, 2015 11:31 AM            

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Originally posted by Gemini30:
Sure i'll answer your questions

To be honest, my jealousy comes from my insecurities plain and simple. I really don't think it comes from inheriting it from my father.

My insecurities comes from me being ultra competitive (moon trine mars 0 degree orb). One time with one of my ex's this was about back in Summer of 2014. We were both at the nearby Mall shopping for some swim gear, when i noticed that the Cashier working at the sporting goods store was really good looking and being that i'm so competitive, i did not like that he was better looking than me.

Automatically thoughts were racing through my mind, "I hope this guy doesn't try to flirt with my girl." "My girl better not even gaze her eyes at this guy." You know...those kind of thoughts. My blood is already boiling at this point. I start getting anxious and sweaty as my awful thoughts are racing through my mind. As we approached the guy to payout, i noticed that he was smiling a bit too hard at my then girlfriend and she was smiling back and giving him that "look." To make a long story short, i snapped and was on the verge of really hurting the poor guy. I say poor guy now because i now know i was totally in the wrong. That was no way for me to behave. Security got involved and luckily they let me go instead of taking me to the police station. 3 weeks after the incident, my girlfriend broke up with me.

That is just one of my stories of my rage of jealousy. I've never gotten so angry to hit a woman though, not like my father did to my mother. Like i said, i don't want to repeat what my father did. However, i truly believe that what i saw my father did in the past, and my own jealousy issues, is what has caused me to stay away from being in a long term relationship.

For now i just need to accept myself for who i am, love my self for who i am, and then i can hopefully get into a serious relationship that lasts for more than 6 months.

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I feel for you Gemini. I've never gotten violent towards another girl, but my jealousy has plagued me in the same way (I have the opposition). Sometimes I wish I could just freak out on someone like you did, because I just eat my feelings (as in holding them in, not eating yo feel better) and end up feeling miserable.

I have worked hard on my jealousy in the past, to the point where I completely denied that part of myself. My ex told me once, "I wish you would tell me you're jealous sometimes. It would make me feel so loved."

I told him, "I promise, you do not want to go there with me. You are opening Pandora's box." I even explained that I'd been working on my jealousy and didn't want to rehash that.

But he begged and pleaded for me to tell him when I was jealous, so I did. And slowly but surely, Pandora's box was fully opened and the beast had reared its ugly head once again. He eventually told me "you were right, I wish you hadn't gone there."

posted December 09, 2015 12:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
In other news, Elvis Presley.

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True... http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Elvis_Presley

He had:
27 Aries Uranus
25 Cancer Pluto
28 Cancer BML
27 Libra POF
29 Capricorn Venus

Priscilla left Elvis for karate champion Mike Stone; Elvis was murderous with rage for about a year. Literally wanted Mike Stone dead. But as you see it was more than just Venus-Pluto.

posted December 09, 2015 12:29 PM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
I hate when these really insane things get attributed to an aspect. Especially Pluto as if it's some controlling, obsessive, sexual psychopath.

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I agree...Pluto may tend to extremes, but that doesn't mean the person has to act on everything or is at the mercy of Pluto.

posted December 09, 2015 02:00 PM            

That's the power of Pluto. Those with Venus/Pluto aspects in the beginning it's all about Venus, Venus, Venus. And Pluto doesn't like how Venus is behaving so jealousy is formed. After a while though, Pluto is tired of the crap and forces Venus to take a long break so that Pluto can regenerate Venus into a more loving, stronger planet. I hope in the end me and wheresthemoon and others will be "cured" of this terrible aspect.

posted December 09, 2015 02:04 PM            

We all have something negative we have to deal with while on earth and each experience is unique. And being able to face yourself and your weaknesses is a great step toward overcoming all of it.

posted December 09, 2015 02:20 PM            

I suppose I only helped to prove a bit of a point with my Elvis example, lol.

Although I agree...for anything drastic to happen, there would have to be a lot more going on in the chart, and probably in synastry as well.

I always thought squares were a little easier to work with than oppositions? My chart is so complex that it would hardly make a difference, ha.

Except that my Venus is only mainly aspected by Pluto. Maybe the trine to my NN, and conjunct Ceres (and widely conjunct Jupiter) helps my Venus a little, I don't know.

I'm not pleasant when I'm jealous, but I'm not going to hurt anyone physically.
Verbally, yes. Physically, no.

posted December 09, 2015 03:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
It would probably be interesting to see in which houses Venus and Pluto fall and which they rule. They are "natural opposites" (ruling Taurus and Scorpio), so they will of course rule a certain houseaxis (though they might be falling into any houses of course).

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I was thinking about that as well.

For me personally, it's mildly funnier because my Venus is in Aries, and Pluto in Libra.

Venus H9, Pluto H3.

Some confused energy there, alright!

posted December 09, 2015 04:07 PM            

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posted December 09, 2015 04:09 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Gemini, Yes and I totally admire and respect you for being wise enough to notice those patterns in yourself and to want to rise above it.

We all have something negative we have to deal with while on earth and each experience is unique. And being able to face yourself and your weaknesses is a great step toward overcoming all of it.

So thank you for that.

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