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midnightcatqueen
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posted January 23, 2016 02:52 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a Capricorn moon conjunct Uranus and Neptune and my mother was a workaholic with a serious penchant for disappearing and or just not being present emotionally and mood swings that were kept in private. Since its in the 9th house, we moved around a lot and she is not from this country either. She had no sense of belonging anywhere and her corporate career was always Number 1...2..& 3.. then herself then the children maybe. She barely cooked and i starved most of my childhood and considerably as a teenager. When it was just her and i living together at 14-16 i was alone majority of the time. She'd go to work early and come home pretty late and without a 'Hello'' or 'how was your day'. Surprisingly she was not very restrictive as a parent and i believe it's the Moon Uranus conjunction.. i was pretty free as a child... i did whatever i wanted, whenever i wanted, with whom ever i wanted. No rules, no curfews, no questions really.
She was pretty serious and repressive of her emotions due to work..could be boring but intellectual, booksmart and observant. Could be physically abusive and highly critical... i never trusted her for anything emotional wise. I could pour my heart into any art piece and proudly show her but she'd be very indifferent towards it sadly. She didn't have a lot of friends and the silence in my house was deafening and now it's all i crave as a writer.

Undoubtedly and unfortunately as the saying goes.. you become like your parents. EEK. How terrible

How did your mother act out thru your moon sign and aspects to it?

Also i wonder about siblings... my brother had a Pisces moon and they got along better but she'd always take out her aggression on him and complain to high hell about everything... sometimes i was next in line but got smart real quick and retreated in hidden locations. cuz eff that shiz.

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posted January 23, 2016 03:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12muddy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've read that the moon may point to mother/important female figure in one's life. Or the kind of relationship one may have with them. I suppose in my case it works.

I have an afflicted aries moon, 3rd house. My mother - batsht crazy and abusive. She has 1st house aries moon. Very much the go-getter type. Loves thrills, risks, adrenaline rushes. Fierce, sharp-tongued, aggressive by nature, she burns through life and people. As she gets older she sort of becomes less abusive, I think it's mostly because she learns to treat herself better/be more at peace. With her water placements (pisces sun/venus/rising), pains hurt her deeply (unfortunately she went through a lot of griefs) and I suppose it was too much for her to handle, hence the abuse - it was a way of venting her frustration, a way to give life a black eye. My moon square saturn, I see it a lot in her and the way she bottled her feelings up. My moon is in its happy house, I think it's why don't have this issue.

Heh I know what you mean... My father once commented that I reminded him so much of my mother when she was young. That terrified the sht out of me lol, although he meant it in a "good" way- he loved the way mom was. But his definition of "good" was so far from mine it wasn't even funny. So understandably, I freaked out.

I learned to monitor myself from watching her. Though not abusive, I'm pretty aggressive. It's funny how we have a lot of interests in common. I move through life fast, but I guess being saturn dominated and aware help to mellow out the energy.

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posted January 23, 2016 04:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by midnightcatqueen:
Since its in the 9th house, we moved around a lot and she is not from this country either.

Am I to understand that some believe that the mother's life is defined by a child's natal chart? What about the different kids of the same mother who have different natal charts?

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posted January 23, 2016 04:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But playing with the idea...I have a 5H Sag moon, and also a 4H (family) Scorpio Jupiter.

Perhaps that could represent all the newness. Like all the times I went to live with Granny, for example, and also how she did not interfere when I ran away from home (no reporting me to the police, as she feared losing her child support if she did).

And perhaps my 4H Scorpio Jupiter has allowed me to transforms in positive ways, so I've become very independent, for example, rather than needing to throw money down an endless hole to help me with how unloved I feel and plenty of others would do (though that's also probably my Sag stellium, including moon, at work as well, if I had a Scorpio or Cancer moon then I'd probably have much deeper wounds over it). Furthermore, as an adult I've been in various homes (don't feel like explaining), each one different.

Ever since I was a kid, I learned that the neighbors could be a natural resource (and also when I couldn't eat at home, I could snatch free food samples from local places). I'd trade when I could. Since Mom got her brandy with child support, I felt justified in stealing what I could of it (typically when she was passed out drunk) to trade for food from other kids around the neighborhood. She's damn lucky nobody liked her Virginia Slims or I'd have stolen her cigarettes (that she got with child support), too. But that's more about me and my reaction than about her. (As an adult, I'm still involved in the community, but in a very different way, and I thank my Scorpio Jupiter.)

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posted January 23, 2016 05:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Soltze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Am I to understand that some believe that the mother's life is defined by a child's natal chart? What about the different kids of the same mother who have different natal charts?


You're right. I believe it's the relationship between mother and child. Or the way the child see the mother.

So if the woman has several children that would explain the different moon placements and aspects...

My mother's Saturn in Scorpio sits right on my Moon/Pluto 8th house conjunction so everyone can guess how my relationship with her can be like...

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Yes I'm speaking of how your Moon is really how your mother was and is to you. All aspects included.
Now as for siblings, the moon sign may be different ...and like i said..my brother got along with my mother better than i did. Possibly because his moon was in Pisces and her Sun was in Pisces. They have a double whammy with her moon in Aquarius and his Sun in Aquarius.
I know how my childhood was and what i remember was this. She was not attentive. There are pros and cons to this mother planet and i believe she showed him the worst of his Pisces moon. Very moody and disengaged. Silent treatments and emotional imbalance... all colored differently of course as my Moon is the dark side of the moon literally. I viewed her as unloving and dismissive of my existence.
So yes... the moon represents your mother and the aspects unfurl her personality to you and only you.

Siblings have different perceptions of their mothers growing up.. i was said to be the favorite but i didn't get treated as such honestly. I was the wild child >moon Uranus< but I'm sure my brother was the favorite since he could do no wrong and i was constantly blamed for everything that went wrong.
Parents treat their children differently..this is what I'm speaking of and I'm beyond positive people know what I mean by this if they aren't a single child.


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posted January 23, 2016 05:51 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
12Muddy!
Funny you mention your dad saying that to you...
Reminds me of when my mother would say i remind her of my father which was an insult really ...She would say this when i was a child too. Didn't realize it was supposed to be insulting until i got older. Found it strange she would say that as i didn't really know my father much growing up. But i looked at his chart and we have the same moon. His Sun was in Taurus and my ASC is too... she couldn't tolerate so much earthiness. Plus i look like him too which was probably bothersome.

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posted January 23, 2016 05:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Southern Sun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My elder sister has Libra moon. She was always playing equaliser for our mother's insane antics, and it often became too much to deal. She is always saying privately how glad she feels to have left home early.

Me? Sag moon, and I've taken the brunt of our mother's anger and insanities for most of my life. It only stopped when she was not physically around to berate and put me down.

I believe our mother has an afflicted pieces moon, but I've never bothered to look at her chart for long. I get bad vibes looking at it.

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posted January 23, 2016 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another sad thread I feel so bad for people who've struggled with their mothers.

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posted January 23, 2016 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystic_Cat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also have Moon conjunct Neptune/Uranus in Capricorn. High five

My Saturn is in Pisces.

Mine is in house 7, my mum is a serious workaholic, she's very practical and does alot of physically demanding work, with wood, etc.

I'm not really sure on the connection to the mum through the Moon ..

Are you part of the Pluto in Scorpio generation?

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posted January 23, 2016 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystic_Cat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would love to become like my Mum.

She's amazing, works every day as a Yoga teacher and reflexology, pays attention to astrology, nature and animals, goes out partying on the weekends. She lives the good life

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posted January 23, 2016 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Oh...I'm a single child. I'm not sure I had a very useful contribution to make here lool.

But it's ok. Well on a positive note me having scorpio moon means despite all the control-freakism and coldness my mom can give me.
Still...if there's problems she takes my side with fierce loyalty. If I ask her anything she'll run to help me. Off course I avoid doing that because the price is high.

We curse at each other but in the end we're family and that's forever...

Oh I see this as funny now: she would make me eat whatever hour she wanted (it was never the same) wheTher I was hungry or not and funniest controlling thing was when she hurried me to finish my meal because she wanted to wash the dishes OMG. Among many other things but these are kind of comical.

She doesn't even notice this dynamic. She has Pluto in Leo in the 12th. With Pluto in Scorpio for me this can be atomic.

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posted January 23, 2016 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenaia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by 12muddy:
She has 1st house aries moon. Very much the go-getter type. Loves thrills, risks, adrenaline rushes. Fierce, sharp-tongued, aggressive by nature, she burns through life and people. As she gets older she sort of becomes less abusive, I think it's mostly because she learns to treat herself better/be more at peace. With her water placements (pisces sun/venus/rising), pains hurt her deeply (unfortunately she went through a lot of griefs) and I suppose it was too much for her to handle, hence the abuse - it was a way of venting her frustration, a way to give life a black eye. My moon square saturn, I see it a lot in her and the way she bottled her feelings up. My moon is in its happy house, I think it's why don't have this issue.

Whoa you just described my mom to a T and she's also a Pisces Sun/Aries Moon! She's actually extremely Arian - Moon/Mars/Saturn/NN all in Aries.. my Venus falls on her Mars/Saturn conjunction so lucky me! lol... I love her though. Our relationship has been great with some distance put between us. My Moon is in Aqua so my Moon is exactly conjunct her Venus which balances everything else out I think.

My Aqua Moon is in the 5th.. well, I've often read this placement meant one's mother must have been the blacksheep of the family, and that was very much the case with her. She immigrated from India in the 70s with the rest of her family, fell in love with American culture and became a major rebel, which, frankly.. is the vibe she still retains to this day. Fascinating woman. Has her demons but who doesn't?

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posted January 23, 2016 06:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Vajra

Loved your stories!

They make me happy ......

And sad yes, because I wish everyone could have a mother like yours.

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posted January 23, 2016 06:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by midnightcatqueen:
Yes I'm speaking of how your Moon is really how your mother was and is to you. All aspects included.
Now as for siblings, the moon sign may be different ...and like i said..my brother got along with my mother better than i did. Possibly because his moon was in Pisces and her Sun was in Pisces. They have a double whammy with her moon in Aquarius and his Sun in Aquarius.
I know how my childhood was and what i remember was this. She was not attentive. There are pros and cons to this mother planet and i believe she showed him the worst of his Pisces moon. Very moody and disengaged. Silent treatments and emotional imbalance... all colored differently of course as my Moon is the dark side of the moon literally. I viewed her as unloving and dismissive of my existence.
So yes... the moon represents your mother and the aspects unfurl her personality to you and only you.

Siblings have different perceptions of their mothers growing up.. i was said to be the favorite but i didn't get treated as such honestly. I was the wild child >moon Uranus< but I'm sure my brother was the favorite since he could do no wrong and i was constantly blamed for everything that went wrong.
Parents treat their children differently..this is what I'm speaking of and I'm beyond positive people know what I mean by this if they aren't a single child.


Okay. It had (in the OP) sounded to me as if you were saying that because you were born with your moon in the 9th House that therefore you mother started moving around a lot. (That is, your moon is why that happened and the moon you were born with had more power over your mother than her own natal chart, not just in how you viewed her.) But now you're saying that your moon is merely your perception of her and how you two got along, not that she started moving around because of the time you were born as it sounded in the OP. Got it.

Though I'd think a 9H moon would be comfortable with moving around, even find it exciting, unless it's afflicted somehow.

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posted January 23, 2016 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Okay. It had (in the OP) sounded to me as if you were saying that because you were born with your moon in the 9th House that therefore you mother started moving around a lot. (That is, your moon is why that happened and the moon you were born with had more power over your mother than her own natal chart, not just in how you viewed her.) But now you're saying that your moon is merely your perception of her and how you two got along, not that she started moving around because of the time you were born as it sounded in the OP. Got it.

Though I'd think a 9H moon would be comfortable with moving around, even find it exciting, unless it's afflicted somehow.


Oh .. i was just describing my childhood based on house placement. The 9th is of long travels, foreign lands, etc. And she encompassed both. She was not born here in this country and when i was we moved around a lot. I have done research on the 9th house moon and it can foretell of a immigrant parent for sure...that's all. I did not like all that moving around as i had no security in my life...Again moon/Uranus and hated it since it meant uprooting what little foundation was there and became very depressed every time we moved.
Had to get used to it and now find myself needing to move every few years. Haha feels like Stockholm syndrome really. I like to have a place to call home but 9th house moon means to me the clouds are my home, UGH...Capricorn doesn't like this.

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Vajra thanks for sharing! So much insight! Sounds like you done your research too.
Glad to know there's good mothers out there.

I haven't really looked at my mother's or brother's chart for i don't have their birth time so i just assumed their charts by default birth time.

Again, thanks!

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Originally posted by Southern Sun:
My elder sister has Libra moon. She was always playing equaliser for our mother's insane antics, and it often became too much to deal. She is always saying privately how glad she feels to have left home early.

Me? Sag moon, and I've taken the brunt of our mother's anger and insanities for most of my life. It only stopped when she was not physically around to berate and put me down.

I believe our mother has an afflicted pieces moon, but I've never bothered to look at her chart for long. I get bad vibes looking at it.


I've always wondered what would be the down side to a Libra Moon thru the mother...
I know from friends that a Sag moon can be a bit much emotionally on the child.

Thanks for sharing!

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posted January 23, 2016 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Vajra

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she could also be an intellectually stimulating, slightly eccentric but humanitarian-minded, egalitarian, positive, straightforward, go-getter career woman who gives her a lot of freedom. I'll best opt for the latter version of myself!' and that's what I've tried to do ever since. But the verdict is of course still out on this matter...

Based on how you present yourself here, I have no doubt that you have achieved what wanted to achieve, in becoming an ideal mother for your daughter.

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posted January 23, 2016 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12muddy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Midnightcatqueen: I know what you mean. For me it felt like an insult too. I wanted to be as different as possible, and his comment sort of threw me off track.

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ancient noble family of artists, military men and entrepreneurs - which are all Aries themes.

Interesting. My moon is in aries and my mother's family is sort of similar. Oldddd money, ancient lineage, affiliated with the military...etc..

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Whoa you just described my mom to a T and she's also a Pisces Sun/Aries Moon! She's actually extremely Arian - Moon/Mars/Saturn/NN all in Aries.. my Venus falls on her Mars/Saturn conjunction so lucky me! lol... I love her though. Our relationship has been great with some distance put between us. My Moon is in Aqua so my Moon is exactly conjunct her Venus which balances everything else out I think.

My Aqua Moon is in the 5th.. well, I've often read this placement meant one's mother must have been the blacksheep of the family, and that was very much the case with her. She immigrated from India in the 70s with the rest of her family, fell in love with American culture and became a major rebel, which, frankly.. is the vibe she still retains to this day. Fascinating woman. Has her demons but who doesn't?


Your mother sounds very arian, and fascinating indeed.

My mother's case was sad, the circumstances were never right, too many external factors worked against her, so her energies were oppressed, and exploded in pretty bad ways. But the rebellious streak won sometimes lol - she got a love marriage, which was extremely rare in the family.

Your post, especially the last sentence "has her demons but who doesn't" makes me smile. You seem to be very understanding.

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posted January 24, 2016 03:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus2tinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Am I to understand that some believe that the mother's life is defined by a child's natal chart? What about the different kids of the same mother who have different natal charts?


I have been thinking about this, and I think a child's natal chart can peek into the mother's life. My eldest son is a Cap Moon. I don't think I am or ever was cold, but our environment when he was a baby was very structured. His father was a natural and spirit healer. He was strict with our diet, and our whole life really. The environment had an effect on me and my parenting style, and I think my parenting style is reflected in my eldest son's moon. My eldest son grew up around two adults, law, scripture, and science. He was a happy baby. Now he is a very responsible and reliable young man. During his formative years I tended to be fearful of other people's negative energy. I was judgmental, and would end friendships at the drop of a hat, because of my deep fears... I was also more organized and industrious than I have ever been in my life, and I was pretty good with money.

Fast forward 8 years and I have 2 Leo Moons. These girls are growing up in a single parent household. It's not a strained environment because of their father's support, but the organization is gone and the structure is old (laws laid down before their time, not strictly enforced now, but still respected) Solid moral foundations were laid years before, and these girls have older siblings who have standards of behavior, but you can tell that for these two, life is a creative, expressive party. They get away with what they can, and they accept when they can't bend the rules... and just party on. During their formative years and now, I became aware of my judgmental nature and began working on it. I support individuality, and believe in defending the creative spirit especially in children... I am also probably a little irresponsible and careless. And because my children were all babies together, and now they're all growing up together, they are more independent. That means I can afford to be more selfish. This, I love. I see myself in my girls' moons.

My sons probably think I spoil the girls because they're the youngest and they're girls. No. I just learned about the fragility of the human spirit. Not all battles are worth making people, or little people cry. I will admit though that sometimes I enjoy the company of the Cap Moon era children more than the Leo Moon era children. They are quieter, and less demanding. There are less fights, and much less drama

era: human spirit isn't fragile. It can be.

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I am an Aries Moon (lol. I feel like I'm trying to convince myself), but my tropical chart gives me a Taurus Moon. I'll talk about being a Taurus Moon since I'm more familiar with Taurus in this context.

I am spoiled. My mother has great qualities, but she just basically spoils me. I didn't realize it until later in life, and I don't understand it. She's a great mother to her other children, and we're all her fav in our special way, but I'm like some kind of bulldozer in her life. I don't even have to say boo and she's jumping to be at my service. It's not all that great. Sometimes I'm grateful for it. Sometimes I can't get far enough away.

Regarding my need to have things my way, one of my friends once told me, "someone did this to you". He was talkin bout my mama.

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Yeah, this is a sad thread. I've already been saddened enough today by another thread, I don't want to contribute, especially since it's just 6 months since my Mom's passing. Maybe later I'll share.

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