posted February 02, 2016 01:21 PM            

There's a whole spectrum there. Ranging from lying down and taking the **** people dole out to you on a regular basis, to standing up for yourself constructively only to find eggs and rotten tomatoes on your face, to giving karma 'a little push', to outright orchestrated vengeance, right up to impinging on other people's basic human rights.

Does not mean everyone that occasionally puts people in their place, who've wronged them, belong to the lowest of the low of the above category. Or that they necessarily have poor impulse control Before we get into analyzing the why's and wherefores, it would help to consider the factors at play here.

Scorpio is, after all, a water sign. And you know what water signs are? Sensitive. Different kinds of sensitive. For ole Scorpy here, take the sensitive meter and dial it up to Plutonic levels of intensity. It's a volatile, reactive sensitivity, you get my drift..? When one of this species trusts you, their level of immersion and 'rawness' and soul-baring-honesty with that person is simply unparalleled. Which is why people don't understand. They can always easily detach and say "hey, this person's actions have nothing to do with me, after all". Healthy emotional detachment after disappointment. For MiS, even if it's just a friend, the you-me gets blurred. They feel your pain as intensely as if it were their own, and that's why they make great protectors of their friends/loves/family. On the other hand, they feel every minor infidelity with the same acuteness. Works both ways.

They do not, ever attack or strike back unless they have more than sufficient cause. And until then, they will patiently bear your slights, taking a hit to their own feelings rather than hurt you. But once they've had enough, once that 'line' has been crossed, it's almost imperative to do something to assuage their hurt. It only happens after a lot has been tolerated (that you prolly weren't even aware of was killing them, but they smiled through it). And then, it erupts. Not a matter of low impulse control.

I remember reading this example on some website. It will illustrate better than anything I've said, the Scorpio way (whether it's Sun, Mars, what-have-you):

posted February 02, 2016 03:15 PM            

But I've been thinking about this lately. I think my Mars trine Pluto acts like Scorpio Mars.

posted February 02, 2016 09:44 PM            

Though that's gotta be Jupiter/Venus conjunct her MC

posted February 02, 2016 10:15 PM            

Thank you

I appreciate your comments which I've now read and thought about. Well thanks to everyone for their comments but I've got a history of chatting up Elysia, so here I go again.

I'm a lot like that dog you describe.

posted February 03, 2016 10:15 AM            

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@Elysia

Thank you

I appreciate your comments which I've now read and thought about. Well thanks to everyone for their comments but I've got a history of chatting up Elysia, so here I go again.

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Originally posted by Faith:

I'm a lot like that dog you describe.

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Aah, that analogy really strikes a chord, doesn't it?

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You make me think, there are more similarities between Scorpio and Pisces than I considered.

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posted February 03, 2016 10:38 AM            

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My best friend has Mars in Scorpio and Mercury in Scorpio she's not like this at all. She rarely displays anger, it comes out more as frustration. She never raises her voice and she may talk back but it's not vengeful at all, although she may harbor such feelings. She's a Sun in Libra w/ Moon in Aqua so all that air may cool the Scorpio down a bit.

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Not to nitpick, but my whole point here was that it's rare, but powerful.

Also, I'm skeptical of the whole 'verbally cutting' thing. Sure, if a Mars-in-Scorp thinks attacking XYZ verbally is the best way to get back at them, then they'll do it. But that's not a go-to response at all. Mars is action, Scorp mars won't just talk, they'll do something about it. And no, it won't be like a bad Bond villain who tells you his whole plan 'coz he just couldn't resist bragging. You will most likely get no verbal warning whatsoever, something will happen, and you will just *know* you were stung. They may add a zingy one-liner at the end to drive the point home.

The Mars signs that are more likely to verbally demolish you are the Mercury-ruled ones. For instance, Gemini mars, with their devastating wit. They'll leave you in a daze with their faster-than-lightning, cleverly worded arguments for which the intended victim usually has no comeback.
Not sure how Virgo mars handles anger..

Well, everyone has their style. So, although verbal zingers may be an auxiliary weapon of choice at times, it is by no means the primary modus operandi.

posted February 03, 2016 11:09 AM            

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Not to nitpick, but my whole point here was that it's rare, but powerful.

Also, I'm skeptical of the whole 'verbally cutting' thing. Sure, if a Mars-in-Scorp thinks attacking XYZ verbally is the best way to get back at them, then they'll do it. But that's not a go-to response at all. Mars is action, Scorp mars won't just talk, they'll do something about it. And no, it won't be like a bad Bond villain who tells you his whole plan 'coz he just couldn't resist bragging. You will most likely get no verbal warning whatsoever, something will happen, and you will just *know* you were stung. They may add a zingy one-liner at the end to drive the point home.

The Mars signs that are more likely to verbally demolish you are the Mercury-ruled ones. For instance, Gemini mars, with their devastating wit. They'll leave you in a daze with their faster-than-lightning, cleverly worded arguments for which the intended victim usually has no comeback.
Not sure how Virgo mars handles anger..

Well, everyone has their style. So, although verbal zingers may be an auxiliary weapon of choice at times, it is by no means the primary modus operandi.

P.S. I have a lot of those placements too. And I never raise my voice either.

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I can somewhat agree with the Gemini Mars placement. My dad has a first house Gemini Mars, and I tend to find that he usually says a lot of really stupid things too during arguments, including things that don't add up. Then when you point out these things, he'll just blow it off and act like you don't understand what he's trying to get at.

Though he has a Virgo Mercury and Venus Squaring his mars, including a ascendant conjunction, so it's overall more aggressive. He uses intimidation tactics quite a lot. When he leaves the room however, you know you've won

With me and my Scorpio Mars however, if I choose to verbally argue, I'll verbally annihilate the other person. I can think of some extremely mean things to say to people that may utterly destroy them, but I wonder if that may also be linked to a first house lilith in Scorpio (totally unrelated lol).

posted February 03, 2016 11:20 AM            

I had typed out a long post above, ruminating about my inner aggression, how it functions, why it seems different and more extreme than other people's. It's not the kind of thing I feel comfortable admitting, and it can be misconstrued and used against me here later. But yes, I feel that Mars trine Pluto could be similar to Scorpio Mars. I think, with me, it probably just isn't so obvious an energy.

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What do you think is the similarity and what is/are the differences between the way Pisces & Scorpio express this energy?

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Hmmm...

I tried to answer this, but it's so complicated, and I can't match your writing ability.

posted February 03, 2016 11:25 AM            

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I can somewhat agree with the Gemini Mars placement. My dad has a first house Gemini Mars, and I tend to find that he usually says a lot of really stupid things too during arguments, including things that don't add up. Then when you point out these things, he'll just blow it off and act like you don't understand what he's trying to get at.

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Oh... Haha.. Well, actually, I meant that Gem mars would be clever about it!
However, each specimen of a placement is a study by themselves. I see what you mean about your dad.

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I wonder if that may also be linked to a first house lilith in Scorpio (totally unrelated lol).

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Hey, I thought Lilith was women's prerogative!

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I always thought Virgo Mars was one to pick out people's flaws when their angry, pointing out each and every reason as to why you may be a bad person.

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posted February 03, 2016 11:54 AM            

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Morning Elysia!

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Top o' the morning to ya!

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I had typed out a long post above, ruminating about my inner aggression, how it functions, why it seems different and more extreme than other people's. It's not the kind of thing I feel comfortable admitting, and it can be misconstrued and used against me here later.

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Aah, yeah. That made me apprehensive too, at first. Which is why I hadn't launched into a full-fledged explanation on this thread until recently (when I thought, 'oh well, might as well put it out there - who knows, someone else might feel the same way').

Also, so what if we have dark sides? We should accept ourselves the way we accept others (I'm talking to your Pisces moon here ). And this is not giving much away, there's a hell lot more to us, as people. So, hakuna matata, Faithy.

If you feel like putting it up there again, please do.

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It's kinda like, Pisces just wants to take what comes and enjoy it, while it lasts. It doesn't seek the way Scorpio does.

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And maybe (or maybe not...I'm just wondering)...maybe that's because it already knows some things that Scorpio is determined to find out.

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Could indeed be so - Pisces is, after all, later on the wheel than Scorpio.

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I think that's why famous Pisces moons so often pair together...there is a kind of emotion they express which others may perceive as infidelity. I'm thinking of Garth Brooks (Pisces moon) going on TV shows, hugging everyone, flattering the women, asking audience members out to lunch, holding the reporter's purse for her as they walk down the street. His wife (Pisces moon) may watch him on TV and feel connected to him when he does that, because her instincts are the same. But a Scorpio would probably get jealous (I assume) and want to be the only one he does those kinds of things for. It's strange but I feel most connected to people who are connecting with everybody...there is a weird, paradoxical (?) intimacy in that.

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Wow. YES! I had never fleshed this thought out in my head before. This is how they truly feel 'one' with their S.O. 'You are me. And I am you.'

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And basically, both signs know how to derive comfort and happiness from silence.

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Ending on a perfect note.

**Imagine, if, like comparative literature, we could have Comparative Astrology courses!**

posted February 05, 2016 11:23 AM            

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Also, so what if we have dark sides? We should accept ourselves the way we accept others (I'm talking to your Pisces moon here ). And this is not giving much away, there's a hell lot more to us, as people. So, hakuna matata, Faithy.

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This is brilliant!! You captured the essence of it.

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Thank you - I think I should have stopped there. I didn't mean to suggest Scorpio is all "gimme gimme" and Pisces is totally self-sacrificing. *rolls eyes*

Both have needs and wants them met; both have a ton to offer another person. But I see Pluto as much active than Neptune -> Pluto is the great transformer, after all. So Plutonians are going to be operating through other people. Neptunians just seem to overlap over people.

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**Imagine, if, like comparative literature, we could have Comparative Astrology courses!**

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Wouldn't that be a dream?

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P.S. Your writing is awesome! My eyes just automatically zoom in to your responses on threads and read them first, even if they were chronologically last.

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Thank you but are you sure it's not with a feeling like, "What crazy thing did that nut say this time??"

I always zoom in on your comments, too.