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Topic: Inability to connect with others
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margym0o Knowflake Posts: 762 From: Canada Registered: Jul 2014
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posted February 05, 2016 04:22 PM
Interesting topic!I would say definitely the Saturnian influence, especially relating to the 7th house. My boyfriend is like you, with his Saturn in the 7th conjunct Mars, square Sun, square Mercury. He has always said he has a hard time relating to people his age and always gravitates towards older folk in a social setting. I feel similarly and so we as a couple always make friends faster with couples older than us. I find older people with wisdom and experience more interesting to talk to. IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 18974 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted February 05, 2016 05:13 PM
quote: Originally posted by LittleBlackCat: Those who are obsessed with their phone/technology to the point of ignoring ppl they choose to be around are clearly not anti-social nor have any issues connecting with others. Studies show that almost anyone addicted to their phone in that way are addicted to social media, which is based entirely on "connecting" with others.
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Faith Knowflake Posts: 18974 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted February 05, 2016 05:21 PM
quote: Originally posted by Electro DGX: Right now though, I'm trying to get into meditation so that I can balance out my emotions. It's already proven to be very effective as of now. I wonder if Saturn squaring my Midheaven would only make it more difficult for me. I've heard that this square can indicate one who gets attacks of loneliness as they get older.
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posted February 05, 2016 06:13 PM
quote: Originally posted by Faith: Well that's part of the issue...connecting versus "connecting."
Oh I'm definitely aware of the mass impact of such a shallow form of "connecting". However, I was talking about people obsessed with social technology as it relates to individual personality.For example, I am naturally very reserved and hardly socialize at all, and this is reflected in my lack of interest in social media or my phone whenever I do have one. My sister on the other hand has always been a natural communicator, making friends and connecting with anyone who breathes in her direction lol. So as anyone could guess she is literally obsessed with social media and uses the phone even at dinner when she visits smh. This of course is highly destructive to collective socialism on a large scale, as ppl would rather text the person sitting next to them these days than simply interact with them on a real level. However, a person's interest in social technology (or lack thereof) still shows who is the better overall communicator or "socializer". The problem is that this new brand of "connecting" (while rarely making a socialite any less social) tends to make the things they are social about increasingly pretty shallow. Meanwhile most ppl that truly have a hard time connecting with others in real life are rarely (if ever) addicted to social media or their phones. Funny thing is that my response to the OP's post about not liking inconsiderate phoneaholics was due to a misunderstanding of what they were saying but its an interesting topic nonetheless
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Faith Knowflake Posts: 18974 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted February 05, 2016 06:56 PM
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posted February 07, 2016 09:04 AM
quote: Originally posted by Faith: I guess I'm strange...I like connecting in person and online, but social media feels way too busy and public to me. Smart phones seem like a nuisance. I would hate to be at the mercy of texting, it just feels very pressured, and no wonder it takes precedence over real life interaction, so often.Someone texted me....ugh, sorry but I MUST respond to this immediately or they'll think it's rude. Just hang on. Oops here's another text! Sorry, gotta text again. Dang it, there was a misunderstanding and I've been waiting to hear from them... *ten minutes later* ...I gotta read you this text conversation...seriously what on earth did they mean when they said that? Were they kidding? Yeah but if they were kidding, we'd see a smiley, right? Text confusion just seems to take on a life of its own.
I don't think you're strange. You're normal to me compared to all of the "robots"(if I offend you then I'm offending basically all of my family and friends too) on their cell phones now a days. I hate it that everyone just eats everything society feeds them. I mean technology is cool and the only reason why I would be on a smart phone (which I'm not because I don't have a smart phone) is to look up cool stuff on the internet or if I'm at an airport or a place that's not exactly as offensive as other places. For example in my opinion I think certain places are rude to be on a smart phone and some places are not. I just realize that it can make others feel uncomfortable. Not everyone is going to get along with everybody though and I accept this. I'll converse with everyone usually but a lot of times it is against my will because it just seems forced almost. You're right that it is hard to read emotions in text messages though. I think I need to just start giving people a look that I'm annoyed or just not say anything and hope they will get the picture because in all honesty I can't stand social niceties. Especially when people say sorry all of the time and it's usually females(please don't start an argument over this, I don't mean all females just some because based on my experiences it is usually females). Stop apologizing for stuff so much. All you did was walk in front of me. You don't have to apologize for that. Oh and this is extremely off topic but I'm going to say it anyways. I can't stand comedians that cuss a lot. I think I'm gonna stop cussing too. It harms human spirits. The stuff that people laugh at on television now a days. Have we really became "that" type of civilization? Why, yes. Yes we have.
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Faith Knowflake Posts: 18974 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted February 07, 2016 12:05 PM
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posted February 07, 2016 09:40 PM
quote: Originally posted by Faith: I don't have a TV so I don't know what people are laughing at...and I hardly ever watch movies...it's not that I'm a luddite, really, just the content wasn't designed for me & my preferences, apparently. In fact a lot of it disturbs me and feels like an outright assault on my senses and values. And I'm not trying to act high & mighty, I'm not a delicate flower or a religious zealot...all I want is sanity...things that strike me as true, coherent, sane. And pure, as in, devoid of propaganda. Not screaming "Buy me!!! for heaven's sake BUY ME!!!!"  Not that [b]I am so pure...but if I'm looking for entertainment, or I'm looking to the TV for something, it would be inspiration. And it's there, of course. But the commercials cut into it...I'm just not someone who handles all the shifting-around of content, from Ellen's sweet & generous donations right to some whacked out cleaning product commercial, that is really aggressive and in-your-face...or direct-to-consumer marketing of dangerous drugs...can't handle it. And I have YouTube, so why should I? I like cursing but maybe you're right. Maybe that's another thing to quit. Frankly if we're talking about comedians the fusion of comedy and porn that we see nowadays bores me to pieces, just because it's predictable & monotonous. Any way we can joke about things other than that?? All the "best" female comedians are the dirtiest...they are funny sometimes, but the trend is disturbing to me. Like women using sex to grovel for attention & attain some power...same old backwards state of affairs as we see where women are truly desperate and have almost no choice. Oh I sound cranky I guess. No apologies [/B]
Yeah I agree except for the cursing part ( I do it but hate it because I'm acting exponentially pathetic). A lot of stuff now a days is bad for human spirits. Cranky? I didn't think so.
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hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 4643 From: Colorado Registered: Sep 2014
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posted February 07, 2016 10:13 PM
Faith you need to watch netflix and amazon or watch shows online. I never watch TV, I hate commercials too. My TV is my desktop. There are good shows out there, even some you would enjoy; sophisticated and filled with creativity and depth. For example: http://www.amazon.com/The-Man-In-High-Castle/dp/B00RSGIVVO Based on Philip K. Dick's award-winning novel, and executive produced by Ridley Scott (Blade Runner), and Frank Spotnitz (The X-Files), The Man in the High Castle explores what it would be like if the Allied Powers had lost WWII, and Japan and Germany ruled the United States. Starring Rufus Sewell (John Adams), Luke Kleintank (Pretty Little Liars), and Alexa Davalos (Mob City). Some shows have more propaganda than others, some will align more with your values but what is important is that you pick up on the propaganda and not let yourself be brainwashed and programmed to think a certain way by it bc there are many shows that are still worth watching in spite of occasional propaganda, some are so filled with it that I can't watch it and drop the show; too distasteful.
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posted February 07, 2016 11:08 PM
Nevermind that cursing thing didn't really work out but I'm still going to try to implement it. Why is my mind my worst nightmare?I don't know what part of "I'm in control" my mind doesn't understand. Why is it always the most irrelevant things in people's heads that screw them up? Things that are pathetic and worthless. Absolutely pathetic. Unacceptable. I'm gonna set this world on fire one day. In a good way though. IP: Logged |
Lotis White Moderator Posts: 2223 From: USA Registered: Dec 2010
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posted February 08, 2016 07:09 PM
Other people have mentioned these, but I'll do so anyway, with the view to giving you a solution. And there are possible solutions.Alright, so you have Saturn conjunct your DSc, and Pluto opposite your Moon. Saturn on the Dsc also sextiles your Venus really tight, so I'm not surprised that you often feel like there's a barrier between yourself and others. Saturn is stern and stoic, and keeps itself removed until it's sure of trust and security. Venus rules social and love life. You're simply the type of person that take a while to warm up to others on a personal level. Pluto is the planet of private intimacy and sharing. It's tightly opposite your Moon, so you can feel blocked from those things on an emotional level, or that you have to sacrifice your sense of inner well being in order to go as deep as you wish you could. The Moon is in Gemini and Pluto is in Sag, both are intellectual signs, so this can manifest on an intellectual level too. The solutions to this are to find friends who remedy these issues in your natal chart via synastry. For instance, your Moon is at 9 Gemini and your Pluto is at 9 Sagittarius. If somebody were to come along with a planet tightly trine/sextile this opposition they can help you to resolve the 'intimacy block' you seem to experience in daily life... So planets at around 9 degrees of Libra, Aquarius, Aries, and Leo, can potentially help you open up more on a deeper level in a more comfortable way. You have Uranus trine/sextile your pluto/Moon opposition in your natal chart, so you're also inherently able to understand whats going on with yourself from an objective standpoint, and are able to work on improvement of your own self as time goes by and you grow. With the Saturn/Dsc/Venus situation, again positive aspects to your Venus/Saturn or Dsc/Asc Axis can help you to confidently warm up to others. Venus is at 28 Aquarius, and Saturn is at 27 Aries, others with planets conjunct Venus in Aquarius will emphasize your sweetness and warmth rather then your stoic, removed side. This can help. Planets at around 28 degrees of Libra, Sagittarius, Aquarius, Gemini, and Leo will also help the barrier around yourself loosen up gently. Planets in soft aspect to your Asc/Dsc Axis can help open you up as well. Any planets near zero degrees of the feminine signs can do the trick for you. Taurus, Cancer, Virgo, Scorpio, Capricorn, and Pisces in the early degrees. Which brings me to my next point, you have Mercury/Neptune square your own Asc/Dsc Axis and Mars. Are you prone to having tension with others? Are there often arguments and abrasive interactions? Your Mercury/Neptune conjunction shows that you have a rich imagination, and like to cultivate an idealized world inside your mind, but that the reality of the outside world doesn't always fit these ideals. When this happens you can feel aggressively cynical about others at times. Certain types of behaviors can really annoy you. Your Mercury/Neptune conjunction may need some soft aspects to it as well, so relationships with those that have one placement in early feminine signs for your Asc/Dsc, and one placement in early masculine signs for your Mercury/Neptune, will offer a nice balance for you when relating. You like to share your dreams with others on an intellectual level. IP: Logged |
Electro DGX Knowflake Posts: 1163 From: Plutanus/Uruno Registered: Jul 2015
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posted February 10, 2016 09:50 AM
quote: Originally posted by Lotis White: Other people have mentioned these, but I'll do so anyway, with the view to giving you a solution. And there are possible solutions.Alright, so you have Saturn conjunct your DSc, and Pluto opposite your Moon. Saturn on the Dsc also sextiles your Venus really tight, so I'm not surprised that you often feel like there's a barrier between yourself and others. Saturn is stern and stoic, and keeps itself removed until it's sure of trust and security. Venus rules social and love life. You're simply the type of person that take a while to warm up to others on a personal level. Pluto is the planet of private intimacy and sharing. It's tightly opposite your Moon, so you can feel blocked from those things on an emotional level, or that you have to sacrifice your sense of inner well being in order to go as deep as you wish you could. The Moon is in Gemini and Pluto is in Sag, both are intellectual signs, so this can manifest on an intellectual level too. The solutions to this are to find friends who remedy these issues in your natal chart via synastry. For instance, your Moon is at 9 Gemini and your Pluto is at 9 Sagittarius. If somebody were to come along with a planet tightly trine/sextile this opposition they can help you to resolve the 'intimacy block' you seem to experience in daily life... So planets at around 9 degrees of Libra, Aquarius, Aries, and Leo, can potentially help you open up more on a deeper level in a more comfortable way. You have Uranus trine/sextile your pluto/Moon opposition in your natal chart, so you're also inherently able to understand whats going on with yourself from an objective standpoint, and are able to work on improvement of your own self as time goes by and you grow. With the Saturn/Dsc/Venus situation, again positive aspects to your Venus/Saturn or Dsc/Asc Axis can help you to confidently warm up to others. Venus is at 28 Aquarius, and Saturn is at 27 Aries, others with planets conjunct Venus in Aquarius will emphasize your sweetness and warmth rather then your stoic, removed side. This can help. Planets at around 28 degrees of Libra, Sagittarius, Aquarius, Gemini, and Leo will also help the barrier around yourself loosen up gently. Planets in soft aspect to your Asc/Dsc Axis can help open you up as well. Any planets near zero degrees of the feminine signs can do the trick for you. Taurus, Cancer, Virgo, Scorpio, Capricorn, and Pisces in the early degrees. Which brings me to my next point, you have Mercury/Neptune square your own Asc/Dsc Axis and Mars. Are you prone to having tension with others? Are there often arguments and abrasive interactions? Your Mercury/Neptune conjunction shows that you have a rich imagination, and like to cultivate an idealized world inside your mind, but that the reality of the outside world doesn't always fit these ideals. When this happens you can feel aggressively cynical about others at times. Certain types of behaviors can really annoy you. Your Mercury/Neptune conjunction may need some soft aspects to it as well, so relationships with those that have one placement in early feminine signs for your Asc/Dsc, and one placement in early masculine signs for your Mercury/Neptune, will offer a nice balance for you when relating. You like to share your dreams with others on an intellectual level.
Thanks for the well written interpretation  About the last part, I wouldn't say I constantly find myself in abrasive situations. I typically find myself imagining them happening, but I usually hold myself back a lot because I tend to find certain situations too petty to get irrationally angry over. Certain behaviors do annoy me though, but typically I forget about it quite quickly later on. IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 4643 From: Colorado Registered: Sep 2014
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posted February 12, 2016 04:27 PM
quote: Originally posted by Electro DGX: Thanks for the well written interpretation  About the last part, I wouldn't say I constantly find myself in abrasive situations. I typically find myself imagining them happening, but I usually hold myself back a lot because I tend to find certain situations too petty to get irrationally angry over. Certain behaviors do annoy me though, but typically I forget about it quite quickly later on.
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