posted February 06, 2016 02:06 PM            

(This is a very long story and I'll just skip it)

So...

"B"'s father told news reporters that "A" is a great liar and smart, "A" insisted that she didn't kill "B" in all interviews including to the police but "B"'s father believed that the cctv couldn't lie about "A"'s bizarre behaviors. However, lie detector results were telling negative.

After a long series of investigations, "A" became a suspect now and "A"'s motive is still a mystery...

"B"'s father believed "A" is a psychopath for her collected and calm, carefully planned, and smiley face in all interviews while telling ALL lies.

From "A"'s chart, is she really a psychopath? Or what kind of disorder she might have?

I noticed there's a mars square neptune, a good actor/liar?

What kind of motive she (Libra sun) would probably have?

Birth time unknown, she might have a last degree Virgo moon or early degree Libra moon.

posted February 06, 2016 02:52 PM            

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posted February 06, 2016 03:57 PM            

Here's the asteroids..

This has been a huge issue on news since January because the investigation is quite closed off, makes everyone who watched it became curious and talk about it.

posted February 06, 2016 05:12 PM              

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Originally posted by hearttreasure:
@Ami,

Here's the asteroids..

This has been a huge issue on news since January because the investigation is quite close, makes everyone who watched it became curious and talk about it.

I just can't believe a best friend can do that. It leads me to look at "A"'s chart. Unfortunately I couldn't find any information of "B"'s birth day, the family seems close off although "B"'s father is very vocal about how he has all the proofs that "A" is really a killer.

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Jupiter Apophis and Venus in a T square and Ceres and Nessus in oppo and THE MOON maybe trine to Pallas and Swindle.
perhaps not a nice person,
BUT we cannot assume everyone born that day may become someone who may have done such a thing.
I would add all versions of LILLITH AND Priapus,Waldemath

Mars does oppose Daedalus
I pegged the date of that chart.
asteroid Poisson 12824 has a perigee of 18 le16,(Juno) also in heliocentric Kilia is conjunct Eros.
But as I said we cannot suggest everyone with such placements would do such a thing.
And suppose she did and gets away with it so we would never know.
Would be really interesting IF, we had a birth time, and for victim also, and time of alleged crime and place. And also if she were found guilty.

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posted February 06, 2016 07:52 PM            

As for why...I'd look more to her Mars, moon, and Pluto, rather than her sun. Her sun would try to find a way to rationalize why it was fair, so would feel that her victim deserved it somehow, or that she was doing society a favor by killing her. Unless she's a psychopath, though then the question is, "Why B?"

Psychopaths, at least the thrill killing kind, don't have (or at least require) the same motivation as the rest of us. It could be simple curiosity or thrill seeking for a psycho, and brain scans show that pscyhos (at least those diagnosed and in prison) experience a rush from seeing others harmed, as opposed to either sympathy or indifference (that is, their brain rewards them for seeing others in pain and distress). Unlike most killers, they don't need passion nor a moral rationalization to proceed.

If the father of B was warning all along then B was a very poor choice, assuming there wasn't some motive of vengeance or passion involved. This could have been causing "B" to start to reject "A" which might single her out, or it could be the father is just delusional and "B" is just upset (and used to being singled out for being different) by false accusations rather than she's a psychopath. Heck, it could be that A was turning B against the father which meant the FATHER is the one to poison his own daughter while trying to frame B in revenge! (Lie detectors aren't that accurate, btw, it's one reason they're not allowed as official evidence in many countries. If "A" felt distressed then she could easily give a false ping. Ironically, a psychopath would probably find it easier to beat since they shouldn't be upset over the deed, though they can't always beat the test either.)

ETA: I find it unlikely that someone who was close (as in "best friend") to someone for 8 years (and that person was trusted to such a degree) is a psychopath, at least not in the classical sense. Psychopaths may know how to be charming, but they don't get close to anyone (one theory for the cause of psychopathy is that they never developed the ability to bond because they'd been separated from the mother at birth, or the mother pretty much rejected the infant, and never developed the neurological connections to bond). If B was that close to call a psychopath a "best friend" then B may have been a "good choice" after all, as B didn't have any real friends, nor know how to get them, and certainly not how to pick up something is wrong in 8 YEARS.

posted February 07, 2016 09:22 AM            

It makes sense. I'm not sure she's a psychopath either, although my knowledge about it is less, but I can understand what you mean. The way she handle the situation with smile and, according to police reports, she gave different answers/changeable answers leads me to look at her chart. It is found she gave "some" lie statements in TV's interviews before (I watched it and she was all smile), "B"'s father revealed it as approval from police in lawyers debate.

She poisoned "B" with cyanide. There's a rumor that "A" is a bisexual person, she got jealous and was feeling left when "B" had finally married her 8 years boyfriend just a month before "A" killed "B" by poisoning her coffee in a restaurant cafe style, kind of. "B" didn't invite "A" to her wedding and a month after the wedding, "A" came back to the country invited her 3 best friends to meet up (but only 2 of them available, "B" and -let's called her- "C"). "A" first came to the place, chose seats, and ordered "B"'s favorite coffee and two cocktail to herself and "C". "A" brought some presents to them which she put on the table. When the drinks arrived to the table, "A" still waited for "B" and "C". Almost an hour later "B" and "C" arrived together and "B" drank her coffee, just a couple of minutes, she was breathless.

Although now "A" named as a suspect, she still insists that she didn't kill "B".

posted February 07, 2016 09:51 AM              

I don't know what ascendant the chart in this post has but that isn't the point though.

One of my friends has a Libra ascendant and she isn't a psychopath.

posted February 07, 2016 09:17 PM            

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Originally posted by hearttreasure:
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It makes sense. I'm not sure she's a psychopath either, although my knowledge about it is less, but I can understand what you mean. The way she handle the situation with smile and, according to police reports, she gave different answers/changeable answers leads me to look at her chart. It is found she gave "some" lie statements in TV's interviews before (I watched it and she was all smile), "B"'s father revealed it as approval from police in lawyers debate.

She poisoned "B" with cyanide. There's a rumor that "A" is a bisexual person, she got jealous and was feeling left when "B" had finally married her 8 years boyfriend just a month before "A" killed "B" by poisoning her coffee in a restaurant cafe style, kind of. "B" didn't invite "A" to her wedding and a month after the wedding, "A" came back to the country invited her 3 best friends to meet up (but only 2 of them available, "B" and -let's called her- "C"). "A" first came to the place, chose seats, and ordered "B"'s favorite coffee and two cocktail to herself and "C". "A" brought some presents to them which she put on the table. When the drinks arrived to the table, "A" still waited for "B" and "C". Almost an hour later "B" and "C" arrived together and "B" drank her coffee, just a couple of minutes, she was breathless.

Although now "A" named as a suspect, she still insists that she didn't kill "B".

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"A" sounds incompetent and sloppy, which doesn't say good things about the cops who can't catch her. I'd suspect strong civil liberties might be protecting her, but she did take a lie detector and it doesn't sound like it has gone to trial and yet details of the police report are being shared (which is unprofessional and can sabotage a prosecution in a number of ways, especially if there are strong civil rights in place worried about defendants not receiving a fair trial due to jury members being poisoned--no pun intended--by rumors and hearsay that makes them automatically biased against the defendant who see the trial as a mere formality to conviction).

A poisoning of that nature should have been detected in the victim fast. While cyanide is common enough if you know where to look, it doesn't sound as if she had the patience to steal low amounts (and she could poison herself doing so, if she wasn't careful) so there should be a trail, especially in this day where security cameras are the norm in buildings that have it (or hard drives can be seized, etc, many places require ID to purchase any amount no matter how innocent). Using a criminal to acquire it would probably make her even more vulnerable to being busted (as he could sell her out to save his own neck, even if he's not asked about her, and of course he could make his own demands on her which would weave an even more tangled web), assuming the police took it seriously...and if this is getting media attention then they should be.

That aside, here's the difference between a psychopath and sociopath, and "A" doesn't sound like either as a psychopath would have likely done a better job (from not being so obvious in the crime to not smiling during interrogation and media) and a sociopath should have a more colorful history of stuff like this. (Obviously, I mean the classical kind, not the pop psychology or trendy kinds.) I could see "A" (if guilty) as narcissistic if she felt so rejected that she had to lash out in such a terrible way, did so recklessly and now all condescending about it and even perversely loving the attention...but that still begs the question why the cops can't do a better job at either clearing or convicting her since a lot of detective work is exploiting the sloppiness of criminals and also various ways to interrogate (and adapting an interrogation to a person). Though if this is just revenge over being jilted after years of a sexual relationship then no personality disorder need to be involved as that's just human.

posted February 07, 2016 10:17 PM            

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Originally posted by darksoul18:
Hitler had a Libra ascendant if I'm not mistaken.

I don't know what ascendant the chart in this post has but that isn't the point though.

One of my friends has a Libra ascendant and she isn't a psychopath.

I think it is impossible to look at a chart and see if they are going to be a psychopath or not.

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Wait. What?!

Hitler was a psychopath??? I thought he was just a European leader, a hero with poor sense of timing. There I thought he hoped to secure for Germany what Manifest Destiny did for the Americans in the USA. Or what the British achieved for Europeans on the Australian continent & in Canada. Meh. You learn something everyday.

posted February 08, 2016 10:22 PM              

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Originally posted by Nine:
Wait. What?!

Hitler was a psychopath??? I thought he was just a European leader, a hero with poor sense of timing. There I thought he hoped to secure for Germany what Manifest Destiny did for the Americans in the USA. Or what the British achieved for Europeans on the Australian continent & in Canada. Meh. You learn something everyday.

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posted February 09, 2016 01:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Seimei:
Jupiter Apophis and Venus in a T square and Ceres and Nessus in oppo and THE MOON maybe trine to Pallas and Swindle.
perhaps not a nice person,
BUT we cannot assume everyone born that day may become someone who may have done such a thing.
I would add all versions of LILLITH AND Priapus,Waldemath

Mars does oppose Daedalus
I pegged the date of that chart.
asteroid Poisson 12824 has a perigee of 18 le16,(Juno) also in heliocentric Kilia is conjunct Eros.
But as I said we cannot suggest everyone with such placements would do such a thing.
And suppose she did and gets away with it so we would never know.
Would be really interesting IF, we had a birth time, and for victim also, and time of alleged crime and place. And also if she were found guilty.

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Mars oppose Daedalus! What does it mean?

Also Kilia conjunct eros.

(reminder: she may have last degree virgo moon, start from 22 degrees, or early degree libra moon, max 2 degrees)

posted February 09, 2016 01:22 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
"A" sounds incompetent and sloppy, which doesn't say good things about the cops who can't catch her. I'd suspect strong civil liberties might be protecting her, but she did take a lie detector and it doesn't sound like it has gone to trial and yet details of the police report are being shared (which is unprofessional and can sabotage a prosecution in a number of ways, especially if there are strong civil rights in place worried about defendants not receiving a fair trial due to jury members being poisoned--no pun intended--by rumors and hearsay that makes them automatically biased against the defendant who see the trial as a mere formality to conviction).

A poisoning of that nature should have been detected in the victim fast. While cyanide is common enough if you know where to look, it doesn't sound as if she had the patience to steal low amounts (and she could poison herself doing so, if she wasn't careful) so there should be a trail, especially in this day where security cameras are the norm in buildings that have it (or hard drives can be seized, etc, many places require ID to purchase any amount no matter how innocent). Using a criminal to acquire it would probably make her even more vulnerable to being busted (as he could sell her out to save his own neck, even if he's not asked about her, and of course he could make his own demands on her which would weave an even more tangled web), assuming the police took it seriously...and if this is getting media attention then they should be.

That aside, here's the difference between a psychopath and sociopath, and "A" doesn't sound like either as a psychopath would have likely done a better job (from not being so obvious in the crime to not smiling during interrogation and media) and a sociopath should have a more colorful history of stuff like this. (Obviously, I mean the classical kind, not the pop psychology or trendy kinds.) I could see "A" (if guilty) as narcissistic if she felt so rejected that she had to lash out in such a terrible way, did so recklessly and now all condescending about it and even perversely loving the attention...but that still begs the question why the cops can't do a better job at either clearing or convicting her since a lot of detective work is exploiting the sloppiness of criminals and also various ways to interrogate (and adapting an interrogation to a person). Though if this is just revenge over being jilted after years of a sexual relationship then no personality disorder need to be involved as that's just human.

And as for the chart, I'm aware that Scorpio mixed with Aries can be vicious (not to say it automatically is), and I could see an impulsive Aries Mars mixed with a passionate Scorpio Pluto lashing out in an extreme way over passion if a betrayal was felt. Not that I'm convinced "A" is actually guilty, just throwing that out there.

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She had changed her citizenship since 2008, so I don't know if it will make the investigation quite take a long process and with prudent.

She chose a seat in the corner where security cam could not capture from multiple angles and she covered the glass with her 3 paper bags of presents and her handbag from those security cam.

Yes, there were two trials (if I'm not mistaken) but she refused to go with police version, she went with her own version. She still put her smile on her face during trials.

I don't know if the truth there was sexual relationship between "A" and "B" since "B" has married her 8 years boyfriend since a month ago and her Father is very confident that her daughter "B" is straight.

posted February 09, 2016 04:11 PM            

Generally speaking, nations tend to work together in cases like this. Different countries might slow it down, but probably not by much.

posted February 15, 2016 11:53 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Jesus, how many trials is she going to get? Until she can't afford a good defense attorney anymore? I'd think jurors would convict her just so they can stop being called to do it over!

I hope they keep coming up with COMPELLING new evidence. AND getting rid of some bad cops or court staff that repeated trials for the same crime are necessary. Many civilized nations are against double jeopardy.

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In the country the authorities/government can do whatever they wanna do. A simple case often can be a complicated case. A short procedure often can be a super long procedure. More money and time wasted. Sometimes I hate living in the country because I had been dealing with cops before for reporting my abusive boyfriend but the case was never investigated and I was drastically emaciated because cops turned the table on me although I had all the proofs and gave them what they asked to collect proofs. That was the worst and stupidest thing that I'd ever seen in my entire life. Since then, I never trust cops/authorities/government anymore. I know the feelings of the people involved in this case, especially the families of the victim.

posted May 01, 2018 11:22 AM            

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"A" is a psychopath for her collected and calm, carefully planned, and smiley face in all interviews while telling ALL lies.

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posted May 01, 2018 08:45 PM            

I've found the victim, they used to be bestfriend, is an Aries sun.

posted May 02, 2018 12:56 AM            

Excerpt (in case this article goes away then this should be enough to find it elsewhere):

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Wongso, 27, was found guilty of murder in an Indonesian court on Thursday evening.

"Jessica Kumala Wongso has been legally and convincingly proven guilty of committing premeditated murder," presiding judge Kisworo, who uses a single name, said when reading the 377-page verdict over about four hours.

Police alleged Wongso spiked her friend's iced coffee with cyanide as they dined with another friend at an upmarket shopping mall in Jakarta in January.

The panel of judges concluded that Wongso plotted the murder and showed no regret for what it called a "vile and sadistic" crime.

There were several unsuccessful attempts to bring the case to trial before it finally began in June.

The alleged motive, that Wongso was angry that Salihin had suggested she break up with a troublesome boyfriend and was jealous of Salihin's own relationship, was ridiculed by defence lawyers who said it "could not be accepted by common sense"

The judges accepted that motive, but the case had other failings, including surveillance video from the cafe, which did not show Wongso tampering with the victim's coffee.

Three Australian toxicology and forensic experts testified during the case that there was no proof cyanide was the cause of death.

But the prosecution said other evidence — such as a differentiation in the coffee's colour and the presence of cyanide in the cup — indicated the victim died of poisoning.

When asked why a conclusive autopsy had not been conducted on the victim, Rappler Indonesia journalist Natashya Gutierrez told the ABC that it was common in the predominantly Muslim country not to conduct autopsies.

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There is more there.