posted February 08, 2016 06:08 PM            

Answer: I don't do things at certain times because I don't want things to fail - mercury or venus retrograde, I will usually wait things out.

2) Do you have any interesting stories to tell about successes you've had, with that technique? Or, do you have a handy method to recommend to others, about how to pinpoint the best times to do certain things?

A: I like to watch for good jupiter transits, I find that's when people have the best luck in what they are pursuing.

3) Do you think this sounds too contrived and/or demonic, and you want to complain that I made this thread?

posted February 09, 2016 05:58 AM            

Sometimes when I am going through intense emotions, I look at my transits to figure out what is going on and if Neptune or Mars is involved, I try to hold off on major decisions and not do anything sudden.

That's the extent of it. I don't try to control my path... I think God or a higher power would just laugh at me for trying.

posted February 09, 2016 11:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
(of course we are NOT going to talk about the Elephant in the room, on the ASC or the one on Sun )

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LOL

That's crazy!! Did you know LL has Pluto exactly on the ASC in Sag, too? At 11 Sag, conjunct my 12 Sag Neptune.

Hm, my first post has the ASC at 29 Taurus, conjunct LL's Saturn at 28 Taurus.

There's a yod in my first post chart:
26.56 Cancer Mars
28.44 Virgo Venus
28.56 Aqua Neptune

The MC is at 6.58 Aquarius, on my DSC (just another thing that makes me rectify my chart that way...it's almost expected that 6-7 Leo will appear in key charts for me.)

MC conjunct my Mercury as well.

The moon is at 9 Aries, separating from my 7 Aries BML...you see how I approached this one...I thought posting here was seriously rebellious, occultic, and Lilith-ian. LOL

My composite between that moment and LL:

It has a 5 Pisces ASC, which I've named my "phantom degree" because it comes up so often in my charts, despite the fact that I have no planets or common asteroids there.

So we have:
5 Pisces ASC
6 Pisces moon --> tr Mercury 6 Virgo on the DSC
8 Pisces Lilith (BML)
9 Pisces Uranus

Forming yods with:
7 Leo Saturn (on my natal, hypothetical ASC)
5 Libra Mercury

Mercury, in turn, is conjunct the 3 Libra NN.

16.12 Libra composite sun
16.30 tr Libra Saturn
15.18 tr Libra Juno

Long-term commitment, forged accidentally!

posted February 09, 2016 11:54 AM            

My real name asteroid is there at 15 Cap, conjunct my 15 Cap sun.

Please overlook the fact that we're at the south node.

posted February 09, 2016 12:07 PM            

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That's the extent of it. I don't try to control my path... I think God or a higher power would just laugh at me for trying.

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I have almost no experience with trying to control the path.

posted February 09, 2016 01:03 PM            

yes I knew LL had that, actually conjunct my Neptune-NN.

I love your Sun-Saturn-Juno there, possibly because I have Saturn-Juno-trine natally.

And the Yods, so much learning possible.

For me synastrically

LL Karma on my Pluto
Mercury on my Uranus exact
Pluto and ASC on my Neptune-NN
Juno and Uranus on my Moon
Urania opposite my Uranus
Jupiter on my SN-DESC
NN on my Saturn

and in my composite with LL

Venus conjunct Uranus from 24-27 SAg
Neptune conjunct Pholus on 7 Cap
Ceres conjunct Vesta on 15-16 Cap
Moon conjunct Mean Lilith on 10-11 Aqua
NN conjunct MC on 29 Virgo on the AP

and

posted February 09, 2016 06:52 PM            

perhaps not the best example but to present idea.

Moon 0d Aries 00m 00s
Ingress 11 Feb 2016
11 Feb 2016
3:54:31
CST +06:00:00

and the hypothetical tnp Kronos
geocentric view at that moment 8cn 41'44
and the Jupiter and Uranus midpoint is
4cn27'37 so if I double that I get 8cardinal55'14 which means that Kronos is 16'30" off the sensitive point. Well we can't move kronos but we can move the moon.
So an ingress of the moon forward, or rather move the chart forward in time to find
that Jp/Ur=Moon/kr
Event Chart
11 Feb 2016
4:16:41

Now of course moon and Kronos midpoint will be in TA and Jupiter and Uranus midpoint will be in Cancer but exactly half square.
The point is that math can be used to tie a number of point together.
Now one can say this is for winning money maybe, but we cannot buy a lotto ticket at 4 in the morning.
But the planets could be changed out.
Maybe someone wants to have a baby AND WOULD like it to be born when the tnp Cupido is within minutes of arc of the GC, SO they calculate when is most fortuitous time to fornicate like rabbits to achieve their goal.
Or maybe something simple like when to apply for a job or when to approach an old flame for which one pines.
Of course in the above example those transits need to mean something in the natal.
Transiting midpoints to natal have great merit. This is pointed out in a book my Mary Kay Simms called the dial detective.
When doing this type of thing I think it is important to learn and use sensitive points regardless of aspects simply because we do not know enough to make assumptions.
And there is always far more going on that we can normally see.

Faith,
Jupiter/Uranus 7d Cancer 53m 07s HELIOCENTRIC
Ingress 31 May 2016
31 May 2016
21:36:17
CST +06:00:00
So Jp+Ur roughly is equal to the degree of your sun/earth dyad. Remember the helio node of earth is always 0libra.
Here is the same in Geocentric

Jupiter/Uranus 7d Cancer 53m 07s
Ingress 27 Jul 2016
27 Jul 2016
6:51:21
CST +06:00:00
1home

Of course any other transits taking place when either of these is within 30 minutes must be determined and considered.
In both Geo and Helio btw.
each person only gets these every dozen years.
It is up to you being aware now as to whether you let what will be will be or rather you SEEK to use energy coming to you and for what, or rather just not block the flow.
do you already believe that people to some extent write their own futures by the things they do, or is it all just predestination?

Isn't magic a word used to say well I can't explain to X how to do this because they cannot understand it? just a thought

posted February 09, 2016 07:42 PM            

What did I just read???

I'm trying to make sense of it all. Looks good and fun, I want to be a dial detective too!

I need to concentrate. Not easy with tr moon in Pisces conjunct tr Neptune, I didn't exactly have that on the schedule for today...

But thanks for giving me a puzzle to puzzle over.

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when to approach an old flame for which one pines

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posted February 09, 2016 07:57 PM            

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NN conjunct MC on 29 Virgo on the AP

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What's an AP? I love NN-MC.

Edit: Nevermind...Aries Point! I forgot.

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Ceres conjunct Vesta on 15-16 Cap

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On your composite Venus with Mr Sag.

I think LL's Pallas is on my IC, while my Pallas is on LL's IC.

posted February 09, 2016 09:09 PM            

What's with people like you hitting my accelerator anyway?

posted February 10, 2016 11:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Yeah but I have Saturn opposing Mercury...takes me soooooo long to get it!

What's with people like you hitting my accelerator anyway?

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Maybe because I am a Virgo and your progressed moon is in early Virgo//
or my sp Jupiter at your sp jp/ur.

posted February 10, 2016 01:47 PM            

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Planets activating the Jupiter/Uranus midpoint
Principle: Unbridled enthusiasm. One's own unique (and often inspired) understanding. Sudden and unexpected good luck. To be excessively rebellious, sometimes just for the sake of being opposed to something. To be independently enthusiastic about one's own unique interests. To blow something completely out of proportion or to have an extreme reaction to something. Encouraging others to be more free.

Process: The freeing up of one's ability to learn and to grow. The ability to learn on one's own. The expansion of one's own independence. Learning from accidents.

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I see I have pr Mercury @ 0.7° Aqua conjunct pr Jupiter/Uranus MP @ 29.25° Cap.

Mercury = Jupiter/Uranus MP

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Mercury: Communicating with an unbridled enthusiasm. Sudden bouts of excessive talking or thinking. A person who thinks independently and who has many ideas about many things. A love of free-ranging thinking and speculating.

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Pr Saturn 27.28° Cancer
Saturn = Jupiter/Uranus MP

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Saturn: A desire to be freely enthusiastic about something, but holding back from doing so, possibly because one is unsure of how one's actions with be construed. A fear of going too far.

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posted February 10, 2016 02:06 PM            

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if venus plus mars minus aries(0) equals sun(all in the sky) the aries/sun = venus/mars

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I'm not used to thinking of "plus" in astrology.

But let's see...if Venus is at 10 Aries, Mars 15 Aries, sun 25 Aries...

Venus/Mars MP = 12.30 Aries
sun/Aries MP = 12.30 Aries

Okay I understand that much.

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4 part or more planetary pictures can often be found/calculated when we include fast moving points in transit like vertex,pars fortune and so on.

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Can you give an example?

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In advance of a natal receiving major transits, or when directions are occurring such as directed/progressed MC coming to a natal planet the picture should be sought as this is when the greatest potential to use them can be found.

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Is your progressed Moon/Mercury midpoint
getting slammed by your north node? Do you have those two in mutual reception?

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*checking*

Yes as a matter of fact!!

Pr NN 16.5° Scorpio
Pr moon/Mercury MP 16.01° Scorpio

Orb 0°49.

Mutual reception... no, don't see it.

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So all TR aspects to that node, transiting midpoints especially are opportunities into that new territory.

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I love it! I thought we weren't supposed to pay attention to transiting midpoints (?) but I heard that so long ago, I forget the reasoning. I haven't been looking at transiting midpoints. There's only so much time for astrology every day, even when I spend hours on it each day.

posted February 10, 2016 02:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
^ Thanks for pointing that out...I've never paid attention to progressed midpoints before.

Saturn is my stalker. :-/

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I recently started to, but it`s so much. Nevertheless I noticed that my pr Venus/Mars is on 1°16 Aquarius applying to exact square of n Uranus 1°21 Scorpio (and pr Uranus 2°26 Scorpio).

And as for the Jupiter/Uranus-mp it is connected to my n VEnus (btw I like Sandbach`s interpretations much more than the gloom-doom-ones of Ebertin or Witte, though they do more often fit in predictive terms than I might like to admit, but just are a bit too dark).

anyway
my Venus 6°07 Cap
Jupiter/Uranus 6°17 Cap

Though interestingly it seems that I exhibit and express more of the square midpoints of this here

Venus 6°07 Cap
Sun/Saturn 6°26 Libra
Mercury/Saturn 6°00 Libra

posted February 10, 2016 03:08 PM            

I think the people who say that are working for dark forces,(ignorantly) treat people like mushrooms keep them in the dark and feed them sh!!!!!!!

posted February 10, 2016 05:03 PM            

Explains a lot!

I'm jealous, I want Venus = Jupiter/Uranus.

posted February 10, 2016 06:19 PM            

Today's transiting midpoints of slower planets:

Relatively valid for a few days at least...

4.29 Cancer Jupiter/Uranus
3.11 Scorpio Jupiter/Saturn
18.57 Scorpio Jupiter/Pluto
15.10 Sag Jupiter/Neptune

0.37 Cap Saturn/Pluto
16.06 Aqua Saturn/Uranus
26.49 Cap Saturn/Neptune

12.36 Aqua Neptune/Pluto
19.09 Aqua Neptune/Saturn

1.55 Pisces Uranus/Pluto
28.08 Pisces Uranus/Neptune

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* Remember to consider conjunction, oppositions & squares.

posted February 11, 2016 03:13 AM            

"4.29 Cancer Jupiter/Uranus"
applying to my natal Venus and hence my own Jupiter/Uranus-mp.

"16.06 Aqua Saturn/Uranus"
applying 1 degree to my n Moon.

"26.49 Cap Saturn/Neptune"
Separting conjunction (1 degree) to Mr Sag`s Venus. though since Saturn will turn retro and probably Neptune as well, this one will get a repetition for him I suppose.

"1.55 Pisces Uranus/Pluto"
conjunct Mr Sag`s nodal axis.

"28.08 Pisces Uranus/Neptune"
conjunct mr Sag`s Avx, square his Moon-MC exact.

EDIT
Tr Saturn/Neptune was conjunct his Venus by about 5-6 minutes only when he was posting the smiley. Interesting.

posted February 11, 2016 09:39 AM            

Wow is that good or bad??

Must be good. Positive thinking.

"4.29 Cancer Jupiter/Uranus"
applying to my natal Venus and hence my own Jupiter/Uranus-mp."

Jupiter is Rx, but Uranus is going forward...so this midpoint could stay put for a while...like hitting the "pause" button on it? And in such a good place, for you!

posted February 11, 2016 01:16 PM            

Plus, I'm not good at reading them, so I may be completely off base and shoot myself in the foot because I fudged some key interpretation. Half-knowledge is dangerous, right?** So maybe, when I'm further along in my study of astrology, at a stage where I can try out things on my own, I'd love to try this too, for sure. If and when I do dive in, I'll go all the way and unabashedly try to *plan* something from start to finish.

But, up until now, I prefer to *roll-the-dice* and let actions shape events.

Also, I've only recently started paying attention to midpoints - started with synastry. Now moving on to natal and progressed ones. I'm still part-way through reading your posts, but will go through them more thoroughly to understand.

posted February 11, 2016 02:14 PM            

You explained the issue SO CLEARLY, Elysia! Thank you!

I want to think about it more and post a response later.

posted February 11, 2016 06:25 PM            

It's a matter of increasing one's awareness of astrological phenomena. Moving from generalities towards details.

1) We cut our teeth on regular horoscopes.
2) Then we dabble with sun signs.
3) Then we get into our natal chart. And transits. And progressions and all the other kinds of charts.
4) We'll never be normal again.

So here we are, knowing that event charts are going to tell us something about an event.

When we think of looking ahead, for one reason or another...should we just look at the general picture (our horoscope, transits) or delve further and investigate specific details, on par with our level of understanding? Maybe it's really all the same...just because we are focusing on a shorter span of time, and one focused aspect, doesn't mean we have to take it more seriously, or that preparation for that instant must be extreme (like heading into our bomb shelter when tr sun is squaring tr Pluto).

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Plus, I'm not good at reading them, so I may be completely off base and shoot myself in the foot because I fudged some key interpretation. Half-knowledge is dangerous, right?

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I know what you mean and agree...without enough experience observing details, we're just winging it, trying to plan. But then, that's how we live, anyway....by winging it.

But harmlessly (I think) we can pay attention, draw up charts for the current moment more often, notice what's happening, and hopefully start to build an informed awareness of how things feel as they are coming to pass. We can just be chill and learn.

Then, in this natural learning curve, there will be times when we notice things like....hmmm, the transiting moon in Aries is about to be conjunct Uranus...let's see what time that aspect is exact....

And maybe we'll just get a brilliant thought at that time, or an Aquarius brother will call on the phone, or the toaster will explode.

So far I have never walked into a moment expecting something to happen at that particular time, except once, and when it happened as I vaguely expected, I was freaked out. And yet I also had a sense that the planning was part of the "event," as shown in the chart as well: it was an ingredient that was supposed to be there.

So in a roundabout way, in response to your post, which is like a gift, because it itemizes all the qualms we may have with attempting "magic" ....I think that if we just take everything as a learning process, finding luck in order (tr Jupiter conjunct NN in Virgo now, mind you)...then it should be fine or interesting...or not interesting...but anyway, not inviting disaster...no more than usual.

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Which, if done by the uninitiated, has disastrous consequences. (Too dramatic?)

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I know what you mean! But I think it won't be like picking up the Ouija board unless that is our attitude and that's the context we put it in.

And if that's what a person wants...well...

Let's hope they come back to this thread and tell us how it went.

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But, up until now, I prefer to *roll-the-dice* and let actions shape events.

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Ay yes, good old rolling the dice! *thumbs up*

posted February 12, 2016 01:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

4) We'll never be normal again.

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You're hilarious!

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Originally posted by Faith:

So here we are, knowing that event charts are going to tell us something about an event.

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You're right! It's a lot more tangible than I give it credit for. Also, like you said the 'planning' or so, whatever it was, was also supposed to be there, in a way.

It's not so much that we're trying to take the reigns, but that we're hedging our bets. Insider trading much?