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LionFish
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posted February 18, 2016 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LionFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So we know hard Venus/Neptune can create unrealistic expectations in love. It can even show the reason for unrequited love by allowing the native to perceive feelings that may have never been felt by the other in the first place.

But can it also make you miss it when people truly do love you? Or would that be thanks to Saturn touching Venus? And I don't mean someone thinking they are incapable of being loved. Just, not being able to see it when someone actually does.

Maybe it's a combination. Neptune raising those standards to unreachable heights for what love should look and feel like. Saturn making it difficult to accept real love, with Neptune backing it up because it doesn't match the fantasyland romance.

Wow, that sounds tragic.

Does anybody else have aspects to both from Venus? Do you have any idea what I'm talking about? Or am I just crazy

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posted February 18, 2016 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nyctea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Helloooo

I have Venus conjunct Neptune very tight. And yes i do have "unrealistic expectations in love" a lot of the times. I can daydream 24/7 when i develop a crush on someone. But i never went through a unrequited love situation(i mean when i'm the one who's in love).

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Originally posted by LionFish:
But can it also make you miss it when people truly do love you? Or would that be thanks to Saturn touching Venus?

I think you mean that Venus/Saturn can make someone naive? Like... everyone knows that the person X likes Y but the person itself doesn't notice? Well i don't think this aspect can do that ??????
I have Venus quintile Saturn exact.

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Vegasdlt36
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posted February 18, 2016 06:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vegasdlt36     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have:

Venus conjunct Neptune Orb 2°50 &
Venus Square Saturn Orb 2°54

I'm not satisfied in/with my marriage, that is what I know.

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ChildofVenus
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posted February 18, 2016 07:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow I have Venus square Saturn and I also have Venus square or opposition Neptune. Sometimes I feel like I'll never want to be married but I Venus square Uranus in my natal chart too. That makes you want to be free.

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Originally posted by Vegasdlt36:
I have:

Venus conjunct Neptune Orb 2°50 &
Venus Square Saturn Orb 2°54

I'm not satisfied in/with my marriage, that is what I know.


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posted February 18, 2016 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I recently heard a description of Saturn (Saturn in Scorpio, for me) as 'Frozen'... I have the Saturn opp Venus.

Have had significant inner-trust issues with people, that has really stung me in my lifetime. I've made poor-picks of partners, giving trust away to some who didn't deserve it, while at the same time maybe 'missing' to notice the ones who really really DID care about me personally. People can get a certain level in, then something automatic in me begins to distrust their motives? -- I've tried to overcompensate by overriding my own boundaries and 'allowing' people in who were never 'worthy' to receive the love, the caring, (and the financial bail-outs ~ oy, I've got some big stories there, from my past!-- and I hope that energy STAYS past! LOL).

I don't mean to push people away. They just sometimes feel that boundary inside me. I need to assert boundaries... I have a very warm inside, and many hurts and past wounds, too.

I have a tremendous gift for Loyalty in Love-- 'staying-power'. The one I care for deeply, I care for in an eternal-Soul way, lots of depth and much forgiveness, so much time--- UNTIL they do something that is so outrageous, consistent, and in a last-time kind of way becomes 'the deal-breaker' with me. Then, it's off.

Adele's 'Hello from the other-side' ...

Always stretching and growing here. Keep Going, Keep Hoping.

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posted February 18, 2016 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
mirage

I love your honesty.

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posted February 18, 2016 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
mirage

I love your honesty.


Thank you....

You KNOW I 'work' HARD on it. Might make errors, ~omg!!! But I'm persistent!!! I don't give up for long. When I fall, I get back up, dust myself off, and won't say Quit!

And I'm going to have more and MORE people in my life who understand, Bless, and keep unconditionally loving me through ALL of it UNTIL I have my breakthroughs, bursting like popcorn. It's Time for the Healing and resolve....

I Wish YOU Great Blessings, Faith. Much Healing for us both! {{ }}

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posted February 18, 2016 08:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
0.36 Leo Saturn
6.35 Sag Venus
12.44 Sag Neptune

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But can it also make you miss it when people truly do love you?

They might have truly loved me but not in a way that made me feel loved.

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Or would that be thanks to Saturn touching Venus? And I don't mean someone thinking they are incapable of being loved. Just, not being able to see it when someone actually does.

I think the combination is tough, as you said. Saturn is realism and Neptune is dreams. We want both, when Venus aspects both.

For the most part I always kept my dream life and dating life separate...

Though my best relationships were just a natural progression from friendship to romance. Pretty well-grounded all along. The trouble came after the break-up, since Venus trine Saturn isn't the best at letting go and moving on. And Venus conjunct Neptune replays the best memories over and over.

At that point I was also not trusting so even if the guy came back (and they always did), I was really in a bad situation. I loved them but wouldn't risk getting hurt again, so it's like being a ghost caught between dimensions. Couldn't move on, or give it another shot. Fortunately it's Sagittarius so I did figure out other things to do besides wallow.

Please don't quote this.

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Faith
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posted February 18, 2016 08:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you mirage!

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posted February 18, 2016 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The man that I used to like has sun CONJUNCT venus in scorpio in the 9th house sextile neptune close to exact. His 7th tuler the sun in the 9th conjunct his 6th ruler (venus) sextile his 2nd ruler neptune in the 11th house.

He defently has a hard time being in a committed relationship and has a hard time finding the right girl he feels that can be the "one". He once said on his FB that "Need some love in my life you guys im honestly just looking for casual romance nothing anything serious just want someone to go to the movies with and a hug...." And later on he has stated again that he has high expectations of girls that he dates that's why he does not stay in a relationship for to long because he gets bored.

You would think that because he's a scorpio he would be faithfully committed 100% HES not......he doesn't even know what real love is if he is constantly shopping around for girls and gets bored very fast that's because of his house placement being in the 9th house plus that sextile to neptune adds his unrealistic ideas about what love is supposed to be. He is so mutable I don't even see him being a fixed individual. He is also VERY handsome everyone thinks that he has a great personality which totally gives off the libra vibe that being his sun CONJUNCT venus exact PLUS he's got moon opposite venus which sucks imo. He will defently have a hard time finding someone that will meet his taste in nurture and desire.

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PixieJane
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posted February 18, 2016 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is a one degree difference between my Saturn and Venus...both sextile to my Neptune.

I don't think I've imagined feelings not there (which isn't to say I've made some wrong assumptions, but I figured it out fast enough), but I have been surprised by the devotion of some people, particularly in romantic terms. I'd explain, but it would require a lot of explanation because of the assumptions of some people from an abbreviated explanation and therefore won't make any explanation at all.

But one incident that touched me deeply, and completely surprised me...when I entered into a lesbian relationship with a woman, I had a talk with both of her little kids in private and explained it might make problems for them, and if they wanted me to leave then I would, and I would not tell their mother I did so because of them. Both wanted me to stay, and yet as they did run into problems (threatening our place to live, some "loving" parents not wanting their own kids "around that" and thus not allowed to interact with our kids, and so on) I wondered if they were changing their mind as this seemed to be my fight, not theirs, to take it on the chin.

And then we saw Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Pt 1. I didn't make any connection to the movie and our sitch, but as we were leaving, I heard the kids talking about how the Death Eaters reminded them of the fundies giving us a hard time, they being the menace while pretending it was me and mine who was the menace (just as Death Eaters terrorized muggles but saying it was the muggles who were terrorizing them). And I realized then that they didn't blame me for any of it, and that they'd rather endure it than endure my leaving. (Indeed, my grandmother suffered a pulmonary embolism shortly after this and I got myself to Texas. The kids were both upset that I missed their birthday that summer, me just calling them via phone for it, and pestered their mother to get me back before summer ended as they were scared I wouldn't be coming back if they didn't. )

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posted February 18, 2016 11:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Taineberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Venus opposite Neptune square Saturn. When I fall in love I put my beloved on a pedastal and can't see his faults. Sooner or later Saturn comes along and takes my rose coloured glasses off. The hard way.

It is very true that I usually underestimate or overestimate how much someone loves me. Mostly I feel unworthy of receiving as much love as I am capable of giving. After all - my beloved is perfect and I clearly am not!

I have spent vast amounts of time over my life pondering about what would be a perfect and ideal relationship, what does love really mean etc.

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posted February 18, 2016 11:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted February 18, 2016 11:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Taineberry:

It is very true that I usually underestimate or overestimate how much someone loves me. Mostly I feel unworthy of receiving as much love as I am capable of giving. After all - my beloved is perfect and I clearly am not!

I have spent vast amounts of time over my life pondering about what would be a perfect and ideal relationship, what does love really mean etc.



Especially the estimation part. Summarizes it all.

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posted February 19, 2016 01:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12muddy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have the conjunction from both saturn and neptune. Hmm I always want to "live" the dream, to turn it into reality. Most of the time I find myself quite balanced between the two. Don't forget to dream - it adds colors and inspiration, but don't get disappointed if reality can't match up. .

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posted February 19, 2016 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lysco     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mirage29:
I've made poor-picks of partners, giving trust away to some who didn't deserve it, while at the same time maybe 'missing' to notice the ones who really really DID care about me personally

I have venus square neptune and uranus
and venus trine saturn

I have the same problem of giving the complete trust, to the person I love to the degree of blindness.
when everything is ****** up, he blamed me for trusting him, huh.

so it's important for the person with these aspects to keep the "question marks" in the relationship there to rely on.

Also I'm with the idea that each one can keep his own and complete freedom in the relationship, and with the exclusion of the idea of marriage.

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posted February 19, 2016 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Lysco... {{ }}

(music) What Is Love [Baby don't hurt me no more] (Haddaway, lyrics) [4:35] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuDEP6eFkeA

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posted February 19, 2016 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lysco     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mirage29:
^ Lysco... {{ }}

(music) What Is Love [Baby don't hurt me no more] (Haddaway, lyrics) [4:35] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuDEP6eFkeA


Old songs , thank you I really liked it :*

check out this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFeHWcVGiJQ



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posted February 20, 2016 12:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vegasdlt36     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
Wow I have Venus square Saturn and I also have Venus square or opposition Neptune. Sometimes I feel like I'll never want to be married but I Venus square Uranus in my natal chart too. That makes you want to be free.


I have a hard time explaining how I feel/what I think about aspects in my chart.

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LionFish
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posted March 16, 2016 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LionFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you all so much for your replies! I didn't mean to create this thread and just abandon it, I feel terrible.
I have been so busy lately with a promotion at work and all the training and classes (ugh) that i haven't been able to do anything but work and sleep!

I will go through and read all of these now, though!

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posted March 17, 2016 03:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When Venus/Saturn is conjunct,you must love the person in a unique way.

If you profess to love the person, don’t be cliché and do the whole flowers and candy thing. It won’t have the effect that you think.

You need to be a little unusual and creative. Unless the combination is in Pisces, Libra, Cancer or Leo. Then you can go wild on these things

Venus/Neptune conjunct seems not to mind the romantic movie clichés. Neptune on Venus can be incredibly soppy IME- unless Neptune is in Cap/Sag or Scor. Otherwise these guys seem to not mind these gestures at all.

Both are very similar in denying love and affection. Or in disbelieving it.

Neptune has the problem of wanting it to be all glamour and lights. And Saturn is ever the minimalist.

Both tend to feel under-appreciated but it is usually Neptune who is prone to grow changeable and restless- perhaps looking for love elsewhere .And becoming sort of a “lovesick” person.

Saturn can starve themselves off it for years. Seeing it as “unnecessary” and growing ever more fearful of it as the years go by.

You are more likely to find Neptune/Venus more open to the experience and excitement of it then Saturn. Saturn just closes that stuff off.

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posted March 17, 2016 07:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LionFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Nyctea:
Helloooo

I have Venus conjunct Neptune very tight. And yes i do have "unrealistic expectations in love" a lot of the times. I can daydream 24/7 when i develop a crush on someone. But i never went through a unrequited [b]love situation(i mean when i'm the one who's in love).[/b]


Yes, Neptune/Venus does love its romantic scenarios!
Not every Venus/Neptune native experiences unrequited love, but a lot of the time if that's what is going on, there is either one person with Venus/Neptune or a Venus/Neptune aspect between them. It can be bliss when these two meet, as well. Imagine a Pisces Venus with Neptune in Cap

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I think you mean that Venus/Saturn can make someone naive? Like... everyone knows that the person X likes Y but the person itself doesn't notice? Well i don't think this aspect can do that ??????
I have Venus quintile Saturn exact.


No, not naive. But Venus/Saturn has a tendency to shy away from those who actually care about them unless its shown properly. And Venus/Saturn, I think, shows why I can be so critical of those I fall in love with, unfortunately. So, when I fall in love I inevitably look at the actions of my loved one that I don't care for as a slight against me and begin to think they don't care because of their lack of understanding. But if they were simply a friend I wouldn't be nearly as critical of their actions in relation to their feelings..

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posted March 17, 2016 07:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LionFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Vegasdlt36:
I have:

Venus conjunct Neptune Orb 2°50 &
Venus Square Saturn Orb 2°54

I'm not satisfied in/with my marriage, that is what I know.


I'm sorry to hear that

Is it something that can be fixed? Or is it just simply how you feel?

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posted March 17, 2016 08:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LionFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mirage29:
I recently heard a description of Saturn (Saturn in Scorpio, for me) as 'Frozen'... I have the Saturn opp Venus.

Have had significant inner-trust issues with people, that has really stung me in my lifetime. I've made poor-picks of partners, giving trust away to some who didn't deserve it, while at the same time maybe 'missing' to notice the ones who really really DID care about me personally. People can get a certain level in, then something automatic in me begins to distrust their motives? -- I've tried to overcompensate by overriding my own boundaries and 'allowing' people in who were never 'worthy' to receive the love, the caring, (and the financial bail-outs ~ oy, I've got some big stories there, from my past!-- and I hope that energy STAYS past! LOL).

I don't mean to push people away. They just sometimes feel that boundary inside me. I need to assert boundaries... I have a very warm inside, and many hurts and past wounds, too.

I have a tremendous gift for Loyalty in Love-- 'staying-power'. The one I care for deeply, I care for in an eternal-Soul way, lots of depth and much forgiveness, so much time--- UNTIL they do something that is so outrageous, consistent, and in a last-time kind of way becomes 'the deal-breaker' with me. Then, it's off.

Adele's 'Hello from the other-side' ...

Always stretching and growing here. Keep Going, Keep Hoping.


Oi vey, mirage! Yes! Thank you for sharing!

My heart breaks thinking what you could have been through, giving yourself to people who didn't deserve you while ignoring those who did. Ugh. This is exactly what I was talking about. I'm glad I'm not the only one, but I wish none of us had to experience it.

And yes to the loyalty. Loyal until it hurts too much to hang on..

I have a very close trine. I don't think even easy aspects between Saturn and Venus are actually "easy".

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posted March 17, 2016 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goddessinworld     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LionFish:
It can even show the reason for unrequited love by allowing the native to perceive feelings that may have never been felt by the other in the first place.

This has been the case my whole life. Having crushes on people who would never reciprocate and being confused because i could swear they were interested. I just get lost in things. My mind wanders away and makes up stories and creates unrealistic expectations. Venus conjunct neptune.

And then there is the square from saturn to venus. I grew up feeling like i didnt deserve to be loved because I was/am highly critical of myself. I think that holds me back from many things, but then the whole neptune thing makes me delusional and i end up thinking wow i was right no one CAN love me.

haha it is ok though. I think it gets better with time but its still hard. I wish I had some nice aspects to my venus but I cant do anything about that

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