posted February 20, 2016 08:36 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
hahahaha wannabe Yod!

Juno is a well established asteroid extensively researched and discovered way before Pluto. Pluto was just discovered in the 1930s and is not a planet yet we sure put a lot of importance in it!!!!!!!!.

Your Juno is NOT aspecting your venus opposite Uranus I bet. I bet your Juno does not trine or sextile or square your Venus opposite Uranus. What is your 7th house ruler? Juno in libra in the 7th makes me think Venus might be your 7th house ruler. Oppositions are tricky as they tend to play out in relationships.

I wonder if you attract bi men even though you are straight, you playing the Venus part of the Venus opposite Uranus and your partner the Uranus part.

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O.O I didn't mean for it to be funny, lol...
But still, I mostly do not count this yod because of the AC part, and no Juno is unaspected beside these two quincunx

posted February 20, 2016 08:43 PM            

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Originally posted by XzaultaX:
@hypatia238 how does my venus rule my decsendant? It's not in the 12th house.

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If a person has Libra or Taurus in the 7th cusp/house then their 7th house is ruled by Venus.

posted February 20, 2016 09:01 PM            

But i don't believe that it's because of my Aqua influence that i'm bi. It's my choice and astrology don't tell me what to do

posted February 27, 2016 01:15 PM            

Why is that such a politically volatile statement?

I think it's weird because people think they are heterosexual and then get into gay relationships when they are older, and that is considered normal.

Yet there is pressure to re-write their life story to say they were always gay and repressing it, even if they weren't?

For instance my good friend from high school (female) married a woman, after being heterosexual all her life. I was with her almost constantly and we are both Pisces moons so I knew her very well intuitively.

We had gay friends and it would have been perfectly acceptable, even popular, to say she was bisexual at least...she never did. 100% interest in men. Then she did a perfect roundabout and married a woman.

Maybe Neptune can account for some decisions like this, that leave other people scratching their heads.

Anyway...supposedly it is good for the gay community to insist that preferences cannot be changed, and it is often considered rude to say you are "ex-gay" no matter what your reason (though David Bowie got away with it, somehow...I guess with enough fame, special rules apply). But then why is "ex-hetero" so believable? Why can fluidity only flow in one direction?

posted February 27, 2016 01:32 PM            

I've observed that sexuality is a lot more fluid than people realize.
It's basically the same principle as when one is attracted to someone 25 years older, or of a different race, ethnicity, etc - i.e., all these are no barriers, then why should gender be? One essentially has feelings for the person. Regardless of everything else.

What's the point of labeling anything? All that matters is that the two people involved love each other.

posted February 27, 2016 01:50 PM            

I hope I didn't seem insensitive with my comment above. I do know full well that "ex-gay" is often couched in religious terms, accompanied by judgment and shaming.

But I've seen instances where gay people turn straight OR just have one straight crush, and I dislike the assumptions made about them, and the judgment that gets piled on. As if, by having different feelings, they are betraying their "roots."

Amazingly, these people are shamed for just saying what they feel. Or they are told, "That's impossible, you're kidding yourself and it's unfair to the person you like, to pretend you could ever be anything but gay."

Granted I myself have not personally known any gay men to turn straight. But I don't understand why that is impossible. Especially when straight men turn gay quite often, it seems. I just don't get it.

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One essentially has feelings for the person. Regardless of everything else.

What's the point of labeling anything? All that matters is that the two people involved love each other.

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posted February 27, 2016 01:56 PM            

I edited out an example of one of my friends. And the more I think about it, more examples pop in. Mostly acquaintances, or friends-of-friends, so I don't know the details...
But the thing that stands out is 2 females have gone back-and-forth on this 'preference' thing. Never stated it outright, just happened that way. And the guy who discovered he liked men didn't 'go back' to liking girls.

Maybe it's a male/female thing?
'Tis a woman's prerogative to change her mind.

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Originally posted by Faith:
I totally agree

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posted February 27, 2016 02:01 PM            

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Edit: The Uranus influences may or may not contribute, but they may help being more open about it and not caring about the 'shock value'. If one has more traditional placements, but attractions out of the ordinary - then that may manifest negatively as self-hate, repression, sometimes culminating in utter destruction (remember Col. Frank Fitts in American Beauty?).

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Never saw American Beauty but I'm thinking of how Aqua does seem most comfortable playing the role of iconoclast. I was just watching President Obama praising Ellen Degeneres last week for being one of the most influential people in history, to move gay rights forward.

Of course she and her wife are both Aquarius suns.

But then, I'm thinking of Ricky Martin who took a long, long time before he was clear on his sexuality and ready to say he was gay. He went on Oprah asking people to have patience and not try and force anyone out of the closet: "If they're not ready, they're not ready." (Oprah is, of course, another Aquarius Force moving gay rights forward.)

Anyway Ricky is a Capricorn, and I think his traditionalism could account for what took him so long to decide on this and reveal it.

I actually cannot think of any openly gay Capricorn celebrities (maybe because there aren't enough Capricorn celebrities, LOL...what's there to "celebrate," with Saturn?) Someone please tell me if you can think of some.

But check out Ricky's chart, if you're interested: http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Ricky_Martin

posted February 27, 2016 02:04 PM            

You have Venus-Neptune, too?

Yes, seems women can go back and forth. Sad thing is, it seems MEN have the most desirability, overall. Women and men can both quit on women, but quitting on men?? Well that must be harder to do.

posted February 27, 2016 02:11 PM            

And yes, Ellen! Oprah. Damn, so many Aquas pushing societal reform.

P.S. I was kinda heartbroken when Ricky Martin came out. Lol. Jokes aside, yeah - it was a very difficult journey for him. You could see it in his later interviews.

P.P.S. I can think of lots of Capricorn celebs, but none that bend this way...

posted February 27, 2016 02:15 PM            

Yeah Ricky is so hot Damn.

Well in this interview I alluded to above, he said that he had been in a loving relationship with a woman, it was real love, and he wanted her to know that he wasn't taking any of that back. Oprah looked dumbfounded: "So....you're saying you are bisexual?"

"No, I'm gay."

"But you just said you loved a woman."

"Right."

And she just looked confused.

Pisces moon strikes again I love my tribe!

P.S. My Venus-Neptune conjunction is 6.12 degrees. I can't not claim it, it fits too well. Five degree trines are real, too. I don't know why some people are trying to keep the orbs around 3. No fun there.

I gotta get off this computerrrrrrr

posted February 27, 2016 02:21 PM            

And she found his statement hard to believe. Sheesh..

I liked him 'coz I thought he had kind eyes. And I always wanted to be Livin' la vida loca!!

Nice talking to you too, Faith... Have a great day!

posted February 27, 2016 02:23 PM            

Sun is conjunct Neptune today and you said what I was thinking: But I gotta go watch La Vida Loca first, before I get off the computer.

Oh and you're welcome about the trine. My pleasure

Bye!

posted February 27, 2016 02:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

Sun is conjunct Neptune today and you said what I was thinking: But I gotta go watch La Vida Loca first, before I get off the computer.

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posted February 27, 2016 02:27 PM            

There are also good evolutionary psychology theories that support why sexuality is more fluid with females than males as well.

Your friend was probably bisexual but was not interested in exploring that aspect of herself yet nor was it very evident to her at that time bc she was busy exploring other aspects of her sexuality. Even if you were super close with her and it was ok to talk about "being gay" in your social circle that does not mean she would feel comfortable talking about it with others specially if it was something she wasn't interested in exploring yet so why bring it up.

Sexuality can be such a private matter. If I was bi and had not explored my bisexuality I would not talk about it with my any of my closest friends bc is something private about me and none of their business. I would only talk about it with my husband or boyfriend personally so I am not surprised she did not mention anything.

posted February 27, 2016 02:38 PM            

The friend I mentioned above would say, for a long time after she got into that relationship, that she was never gay before...and by all signs, she was not. From what I understand her wife is okay with the fact that when they watch movies together, my friend is STILL commenting on how hot the guys are, and basically has no interest in women, besides her partner.

So I don't know how far we should carry it.

posted February 27, 2016 05:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Argh I came back to link that song...

The friend I mentioned above would say, for a long time after she got into that relationship, that she was never gay before...and by all signs, she was not. From what I understand her wife is okay with the fact that when they watch movies together, my friend is STILL commenting on how hot the guys are, and basically has no interest in women, besides her partner.

So I don't know how far we should carry it.

Bye 4 real

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Interesting case for sure, she got married to a girl although mainly likes the opposite sex which brings me to the Kinsey Scale. She might not even identify as bisexual bc is so rare for her to feel romantically attracted to the opposite sex but the Kinsey Scale does cover cases like hers of people who are mainly attracted to the opposite sex. She is a 1 in the Kinsey Scale so mainly heterosexual except for 1 or 2 cases in her life she felt romantically and sexually attracted to the same sex.
http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/research/ak-hhscale.html

A 0 in the Kinsey scale means you are 100% heterosexual, she would fall IMO under 1 which is were I feel I fall but I dont talk about it with my friends.

Only one time in my life I felt romantically and sexually attracted to a girl. There is perhaps one more instance of a girl in my astronomy class at my university who I felt this ridiculous attraction for that felt super surreal to me bc it has never happened to me with anyone period, I couldn't talk to her. I don't even remember how she looks like just the intensity of it and how surreal the connection felt.

However I never talked to my friends about this and if I did they would not care but yet I have never talked to them about it. Perhaps if I explored this part of me seriously I would then talk to a few of my friends about it but its not a priority for me as I love guys. I am heterosexual but technically am a 1 in the Kinsey scale.

posted February 27, 2016 05:45 PM            

I've certainly came across odder bits, the straight person who turns gay and the gay one who turns straight. Perhaps the oddest is a woman who said she was bi because ONCE she fell hard for a man, despite that she's a hardcore lesbian (and furthermore, this anomaly happened in her late 20s and then never happened again, I knew her when she was in her 30s). Unfortunately, the guy treated her like crap, used her and lost her in like a month or so, so it doesn't appear they were "soul mates" or some such. She licked her wounds, and never fell for another guy and she's just baffled by the experience. I'm no longer in touch with her or I'd ask her about her transits for that since she was someone who was easygoing about questions.

OTOH, I didn't know I even leaned lesbian until I was 17, and it could've easily been longer. I once kissed a girl as more of a way to mock girls calling us a lesbian, to show we didn't care, and it wasn't anything to me. I even had boyfriends, though these weren't serious...it was basically friendship, and I never had my heart broken by a guy. When one "boyfriend" dropped me for another girl, I didn't even care, we just went back to being friends. The state of Texas had successfully kept me (and so many others) ignorant of my own sexuality and sex in general as it tries to do to everyone (though at least we knew it, teachers and such had NO credibility among most of us, and no one asked them questions unless they were straight up desperate and probably panicking--course the lies they'd tell us would have them panicking soon enough if they weren't already), and it didn't help that plenty of girls lied about their own sexual feelings so that I thought my strange experiences were actually fairly normal (that is, it would be years later before I realized how strange it was). I expect my being demisexual may have had an effect in my confusion, however.

There's a lot of mystery around sexuality still, including heterosexuality.

posted February 27, 2016 09:17 PM            

That's interesting about the Kinsey scale.

Everything I know about my friend is second-hand, from a mutual friend. This friend called me recently and she was saying, perhaps our gay-ish friend would be open to having lunch with us like old times, the three of us would go out. So I am really curious what I might learn first-hand if she says yes, not that I would pry.

I don't know where I would land on the Kinsey scale since I am so used to ignoring my own thoughts. I have Aqua Mercury square Uranus, tight, and it is exactly what you might expect: occasional storms of crazy, random, wild ideas just raining in my head.

But I remember going to an amusement park with my college boyfriend once, and these young teenage girls were in front of us in line. They were wearing TINY shorts and I was staring and thinking, "Why so skimpy? Is this the new trend? Aren't you too young to be wearing shorts like that?" And my boyfriend got mad at me saying "Are you gay or something??? Why are you staring at them?"

LOL. I explained what my thought process was, and he didn't believe me. So I said, "Well if you believe I'm gay why are we together?" It became this whole weird fight.

Thing is, even if I had thought, "Oooooo what beautiful legs!" I wouldn't have considered that gay, either. Even if I had a moment of thinking, "I wonder what it's like to kiss her??" that would not have been gay to me. It's just thoughts. Because my self-concept was...and still is...that I am heterosexual. So who cares about thoughts??

That's how I looked at it.

And I filter hetero thoughts a lot too, since I'm married. So I think, "I wonder what he's like in bed?" but I don't actually harp on it, because what would be the point? If anything it becomes an idle drama in my head that I don't consider acting on, at all...just a curiosity, compliments of my 8H moon.

So....being married, sexuality is ALL pretty much a moot point, aside from what's going on with my husband. So even if I were to feel something for a woman, the way I do sometimes for men, it doesn't matter to me, the feeling would pass and the thoughts get filtered out just like everything else.

My Christian fundamentalist friend became attracted to a woman (for the first time in her life, at age 48) and really, really struggled with that until she spent enough time with the woman that all the "romance" dropped away and things were normalized.

I doubt I would struggle, if I developed a girl crush. I'd probably treat it like a guy crush, which is, I don't really think about it...there's nothing to DO about it, so why even dwell there? Same as when I occasionally forget my age and will want to stare at a cute guy out in public, who is probably in his early 20's...sometimes it honestly takes me a second to realize I'm not that young anymore. I don't think "OMG, I'm a cougar!!" I just think, "Whatever, another brain anomaly."

I think on some level I have never taken my thoughts that seriously. So that freed me up to decide on which thoughts to focus on...I've HAD to pick and choose, from a young age. And then I guess I chose "hetero" as a teenager because it was convenient and came naturally to me. I did try to be gay for a little while, but it didn't work out.

posted March 01, 2016 08:04 AM            

"FIRST PART OF THE SIGNIFICATOR FOR HOMOSEXUALITY

In looking to identify the astrology of homosexual males, then, we are particularly interested in the condition of one of their planets, mars. Their mars tells us a good deal about their aggression, the outward thrust of their ego, and their sexuality. Simultaneously, we are looking for a condition in addition to their mars that they all have in common which influences their 5th house of sexuality and their 7th house of partnerships. The 5th and 7th are the two main houses that clock our close interpersonal relationships. In this astrology, there is a connection between the 5th house in any one chart and the 5th chart, which is a harmonic enlargement of a 5th house. The same is true of the 7th house and the 7th chart. So, we will be looking at a lot of 5th and 7th houses, and 5th and 7th charts.

The significator for homosexuality cannot be just mars because mars is symbolic of the sexuality of all men, heterosexual as well as homosexual. Just mars in or influencing a 5th house usually means the man has a strong sex drive (mars) because the planet of male sex drive (mars) is in the house of sexuality (5th house). Many heterosexual men-—not the least in the closet—-have such an astrological condition. To turn a male’s traditional interest in females to one in other males, his mars has to be affected by something which makes men sexually more interesting to him than women. What could that be? Well, it looks like it is a planet that does the groundwork in part I of the significator. And that planet is neptune. That is, neptune, with influence to certain houses (see below), when configured with mars does something to it to initiate an openness to homosexuality.

So, neptune with mars (influencing particularly a 5th house and Angle) in a homosexual’s chart is there as some kind of sexual inducement. It turns out that by itself (as the first part of the significator without the second part) it inflames (neptune) the desire nature (mars, in men). And it does this in heterosexual as well as homosexual charts, in fact, for women (attracting her to hard-to-get [neptune] men [mars]as well as men. If mars stands for a man’s maleness, and neptune for his (and all our) creative capacity, our flights of fancy and our bouts of inspiration, then what makes mars/neptune homosexual?On a behavioral level, the answer has to be that neptune does something to mars’ essential function.Some astrologers believe that neptune works its “magic” by dissolving the planet it is contact with. Others, by inflaming it. In this case, I think inflaming the better fit.

When mars is with neptune, it puts an extra strong "charge" on the mars. Since mars represents not only our initiative, but our sexual desire, mars/neptune inflames the desire of the man in whose chart it influences an Angle, 5th and 7th houses. Desire goes up. Fantasy goes up. Charge goes up. Sexuality is pursued with a passion. He is driven. But, this is true whether it occurs in the chart of a homosexual or heterosexual man. (Remember, the first part of the significator occurs in charts of both groups.) For them, more than any other group of males, indifference to sex is out of the question.

We can say the mars/neptune of the first part of the significator clearly has something to do with homosexuality because it appears in all charts of homosexual men. But it only when it is combined that it truly becomes a homosexual significator. Until then, it can represent the charged sexuality of a heterosexual man. Combined with the second part of the significator (see below) it represents two things: his powerful (neptune) desire (mars) for other men (mars), and the high charge on his own sexuality.

So, the first part of the significator for homosexuality contained in all the charts below is a lighted mars in the same set (aspect, see below for definition) with neptune and influencing an Angle, 5th, and generally, 7th house.

posted March 01, 2016 09:06 AM            

Vis-à-vis the astrology of homosexuality, with the Angle/light/mars/neptune/5th first part of the significator, we have highly charged sexuality, but it can go into either heterosexual or homosexual expression. It is the second part of the significator which determines which way it will go.

For homosexuality, the second part of the significator demands that a masculine planet be on an Angle and influencing either the 5th or 7th house. The 5th and/or 7th houses represent sexuality and partners, respectively. The mars part designates "male." The Angularity part makes it prominent (or, if you like, dominant) in the individual's consciousness. Whatever is dominant is normal for that individual:

*mars (or sun) is conjunct an Angle which falls in one of the two 5th or 7th houses.
*mars (or sun) is anywhere in a 5th or 7th house and is in the same set with any one of the four Angles of this method (birth and conception Midheavens and their Ascendants). In the same set means the mars is in a relationship of conjunction, square, or opposition the Angle (2° orb), with an orb of 4°. This is also referred to as mars being “on an Angle" or mars is "made Angular."
*mars (or sun) is on any Angle and also rules or co-rules (1/3 of house required) a 5th or 7th house.

As can be seen, all of the above conditions have mars on an Angle, and one way or another it influences a 5th or 7th house.

Note that this second part of the significator appears necessary even when the first part of the significator (in whichever chart it falls) shows a lighted mars/neptune influence to a 5th and/or 7th house.
For the fifty individuals [...], forty-seven of their first part significators showed influence to a 5th house, with the remaining three being special cases. Forty-two had the 7th house influence. But all,depending on if we accept one or two weak ones, fifty charts show the second part of the significator discussed just above. Neither significator by itself yields an astrology of homosexuality. They work together.

It follows that heterosexual males whose charts contain the first part of the significator for homosexuality are men who either (1) lack the second part of the significator for homosexuality (their consciousness is not actively directed to a male partner), or (2) they have a second part of the significator which actively directs their consciousness to female partners. Right now I think the latter the case, and I think the typical planet is venus/Desc. But it will take a long time to prove it because there is no way to find such an astrology from information available in databases.

Occasionally in the examples [...], an individual has both venus (a female planet) and mars (male) falling on the "Desc." My present guess is they represent individuals who can choose, the same as if they were bisexual (which takes a different planet/Desc)."