posted April 27, 2016 05:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I don't believe in full disclosure, nobody actually does that.

Think, angel....does that guy know you are posting about him on the internet? How would he feel? Is that up front or hidden?

Not judging you, just saying, nobody but NOBODY is an open book, the truth is, we are all open and closed. And many times, the person who can afford to be more open simply has more power in the relationship, and the other person is hiding to preserve control of whatever the other person is trying to control.

For instance my friend's mother constantly tells her father what to do. So her father lies. He's a fine upstanding man but he outright dodges her attempts to know every little thing about his business. Good for him.

It bothers me when people talk about 12H/ Pisces "hiding" without including the balance: what are they hiding from? WHY are the hiding...is it because they honestly believe there is a higher purpose to that?

Can there be a higher purpose to that?

Maybe people ought to evolve so they understand that love can still mean, retaining your own privacy and independence.

Just another way of looking at it.

ETA: One of my favorite authors who has a Scorpio sun wrote about the importance of granting the other person privacy. Her little motto is, "When we mine, we undermine."

As I said and erased earlier, the 8H is the house of the occult, taboos, death, sex....not everything that you WANT to lay out on the table when you first meet someone.

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Yes he knows I use lindaland and he is aware that im into astrology and that I use "our" synastry and the synastry with my ex because she claims that someone on lindaland forward posts I wrote about him..... to really understand synastry.

Anyways thank you for your advice Faith!

posted April 28, 2016 11:22 PM            

angel4845, No is the answer to your question up top. Houses are slices representing areas of our lives, which may have more or less emphasis according to our gifts and purposes associated with our chosen spiritual development -- not particular character flaws or bad behaviors. These things are no more associated with the 8th than the 12th or any other house.

There are no 'good' houses and no 'bad' houses. None of them represent predominantly negative qualities associated with the natural ruler(s), as in Pluto/8th.

Houses can also be seen as process of development.

What are the positive qualities you can name associated with Pluto/8th?

Others have also offered up inaccurate portrayals of the 8th house along the same lines from places of personal bias (douchebag, crazy, etc).

To go through the houses ...

1st = "I" - Self/body/personality in the subjective sense. Self identity. Your orientation to life on earth. First house of life.

2nd = "Mine" - the first house of materiality, resources I have access to, possessions, income, what I own. This is where the self gets grounded into relation to the material, particularly what it can grasp (infantile urge)

3rd = "Us" - the first house of relations, siblings, cousins, speech, communication, mobility, exchange of thoughts and ideas. Begins at toddler stage when we are no longer putting things in our mouths, but gaining mobility.

4th = "Home" - biological inheritance or early life setup, where you land with your karma. First house of endings where relation to parents/roots takes hold. Family, loss of parents. Geographic orientation.

5th = "Play" - creativity, love given, romance, children, the fun stuff that is a natural expression of a vital person. Kicks in especially during teen years. Second house of life where passions set in.

6th = 2nd house of materiality, a conscious relation to the body, pets, vocation, habits, natural health, etc.

7th = "Them" - the other we choose or partner with. Others generally, who are not our relations. Second house of relations.

8th = Others' resources. Merging. The place where we share space/energy/currency. Second house of endings where inheritances related to partners show up.

9th = The world 'out there'. The larger world and its ideas, religion, higher education, philosophies, travel, etc. Final house of life where ideals get enacted broadly.

10th = Final house of materiality. Life aims, highest you can achieve, the potential that roots in your body, but is heavily influenced by your early life setup (4th). The rewards you reap.

11th = Final house of relations and largest platform of relations, groups, friends of common cause. Group interests which are the audience that captures whatever performance/creation you have to give.

12th = Final house of endings and the subconscious relation to one's own psyche and the consequences of what it has produced. Mental health or creativity (vs 6th's physical/vocation).

Because of the implications of 'merging' associated with the 8th house, there are spiritual dimensions of that, often associated with things considered 'occult' in which persons may choose to reach over to the larger body of resources from the 'other side' rather than material ones (capital). While there is plenty of room for misunderstandings surrounding such pursuits in both these dimensions, that does not make the 8th house the place where all "manipulation, hiding, & lying" can be found. That too easily becomes a formula for gross misjudgments of someone.

posted April 29, 2016 12:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
8th = Others' resources. Merging. The place where we share space/energy/currency. Second house of endings where loss is often first experienced in some fashion.

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When you say 'losses are often experienced first in some fashion' .. you mean't .. like for me for example, having 8th venus .. i may lose out alot/breakup in my relationships before i find who will stay, and when that person comes, it's for a real long time?

and money wise, where i may get disappointments in getting money, but once that block is over, i get extra in return?

posted April 29, 2016 09:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Because of the implications of 'merging' associated with the 8th house, there are spiritual dimensions of that, often associated with things considered 'occult' in which persons may choose to reach over to the larger body of resources from the 'other side' rather than material ones (capital). While there is plenty of room for misunderstandings surrounding such pursuits in both these dimensions, that does not make the 8th house the place where all "manipulation, hiding, & lying" can be found. That too easily becomes a formula for gross misjudgments of someone.

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posted April 29, 2016 05:11 PM            

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Originally posted by deptic:

When you say 'losses are often experienced first in some fashion' .. you mean't .. like for me for example, having 8th venus .. i may lose out alot/breakup in my relationships before i find who will stay, and when that person comes, it's for a real long time?

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No. Nothing in my description is anything but theoretical. Don't take it as anything but general. And actually, that was a mis-statement on my part. The first house of endings, the 4th house, is the first place where we experience loss, even if it is the loss of directly supportive family structure as we go out on our own.

I will amend the description.

posted April 29, 2016 05:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Isa:
What does house of endings actually means?

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The 4th, 8th, 12th houses, and they relate to the water signs.