posted May 01, 2016 10:48 AM            

Ted Cruz was recently called Lucifer in the flesh by his republican colleague
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/lucifer-flesh-ted-cruzs-popularity-problem/story?id=38760191

Here is his chart: http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Ted_Cruz

The most unpopular libra moon, you'd think ...

Then you have Rahm Emanuel
Scorpio moon and mars http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Ted_Cruz

Quite known for being controlling and very vindictive. He made a list of people he would remove after getting Clinton elected

And of course Mark Zuckerberg, scorpio moon and mars whose college texts revealed he thought everyone was stupid and FB sorta depends on people's psychology
http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Mark_Zuckerberg

posted May 01, 2016 01:16 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Naturally, you're going to find extraordinary examples (of ANY placement) looking to the top of the heap of US politics and the news in general (which is generally trying to frighten when not titillating). And US politicians say all kinds of things that are more theatrics or lies than truth.

'Course, pointing out that they're deeply disturbing to you rather than sexy is a legite point, but it doesn't mean that such should be expected from Scorpio Mars anymore than their being universally desired and attractive...nor that others don't find Cruz and Zuckerberg compelling, fascinating, and even sexy ('course some will find anyone wealthy and powerful sexy, no matter what).

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I am not generalizing all Scorpio mars to be like the examples I gave.

The point of astrology is to pinpoint in which manner someone does something. Of course you are going to find extreme examples of every sign and placement. Not all Leo moons are going to turn out to be a Ted Bundy, of course. We all know that.

But how does Leo moon factor into Ted Bundy's behaviors is the question that astrology means to address.

posted May 01, 2016 02:55 PM            

For example, my mom and I have always had problems but one day she lost it because I hadn't replied to her text message quickly enough and she left me all these voicemails about how horrible of a person I am and how I was going nowhere in life and how I was the devil's child (ironic? lol) so we were on the outs for a while after that. My nephew was having his 3rd birthday party about 2 weeks after that whole fiasco and because I see my nephew all the time, I told my sister that I didn't feel comfortable coming to his party because I didn't want to be around my mother so I asked her if I could come the day before or the day after to bring him his birthday gift and to maybe do something with him. She then proceeded to go off on me saying how horrible I am and how she didn't know if she wanted her son around me because she didn't want him to pick up my "selfish" tendencies. Very much below the belt because she knows how much I care about my niece and nephew and how much I've done to help her throughout finishing school while having kids. Also below the belt because she's well aware of my mom and I's tumultuous relationship and the affect it's had on my life. Sometimes I need to separate myself from her and not be around it at all because it's what's best for me.

Not to get into my whole life story lol but just an example. Maybe it's the less evolved version of Scorpio Mars, I don't know. The two friends I mentioned weren't as bad, towards me at least, but I saw one of them go off on her little brother and was really taken aback by it. My grandfather on my dad's side and my Uncle have their Mars in Scorpio as well and my grandma says they're both the same way but I've, personally, never seen or dealt with that side of them. Mel Gibson and Charlie Sheen both have Scorpio Mars and I think we're all well aware of some of their rants.

posted May 01, 2016 03:54 PM            

I was just wanting to discuss another side of the coin.

Thanks, sunflower-moon for sharing. When all hell breaks loose for these ppl, it seems hitting below the belt is common.

posted May 01, 2016 04:18 PM            

Yes, they definitely had a malicious side to them (Virgo and Capricorn Suns), at least verbally. Although both were prone to getting into fist fights with other guys, or at least retaliating against people they felt had wronged them (even if they hadn't). The Capricorn Sun guy wasn't really equipped to get into a lot of physical altercations, lol. But he was capable of being pretty vindictive towards people. He had a Cancer Moon.

I also mentioned (in the previous thread) that I have a lovely friend who is an Aquarius Sun with Libra Asc (I've forgotten her Moon ), and she has never acted that way, that I've seen. However, if she thinks someone is in the wrong on an ethical level, she can really demonstrate a passion for justice served...even if it's not quite as extreme as she thinks it is.

I've never been on the receiving side of that with her, though. In my experience she is a wonderful, fun, hilarious person to be around, and I enjoy her company tremendously.

posted May 01, 2016 05:57 PM            

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I know scorpio mars is overrated but irl examples, it seems like they are not only unsexy but quite terrifying ....

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Haha. I laughed.
It's kinda true thou.

But well, my idea of a Scorpio Mars is more like Leo DiCaprio... although granted, that Scorpio Venus probably adds to the fuel.

I actually can't think of many Scorpio Marses besides myself. Hmm. There's one girl I'm acquainted with, who has both Mars and Venus in Scorpio, and she definitely does have a vicious tongue - very sharp, harsh words... But she's a Virgo with an ARIES Moon (conjunct Saturn) and Virgo Mercury square PLUTO. Definitely don't think it's due to her Mars. I'm like a kitten compared to her (but well, I AM super gentle, 99.9% of the time).

The only other person I can think of (that I've actually known IRL) is a guy whose chart was very similar to mine, and I think he wasn't at all the kind of person who'd be cruel or violent. We're both Libra and Gemini influenced, which I think tones things down a lot.

There was one other guy, that I wasn't close to but who was the boyfriend of a high-school comrade, and he just seemed like the most mellow, chill person ever.

You'd think there's no way they could have a Scorpio Mars... But indeed, we can be very, very mellow.

I don't know, perhaps it's more about how someone was raised, or what their values are - which is probably a Venus/Jupiter thing.
An afflicted Venus and/or Jupiter could make a Scorpio Mars pretty harsh, because their principles/values would give them an inclination towards 'bad' behavior... maybe. And also, Mercury of course. The way they talk and the things they say...

Politicians are on a whole different level though. Regardless of their placements they tend to be corrupted and "evil" um, feks.

posted May 01, 2016 06:37 PM            

Mars being subjugated to a water sign will always have a more introverted approach to taking action, aggression etc. so I think a regular individual with this placement will have Martian qualities toned down and not seem like a hellraiser.

The catch is that Scorpio energy pulls a great deal to the dark side and has a lot of power when it's "evil".

In my opinion Mars in Scorpio has the potential to create a monster out of a person who already has underlying personality issues or chaos in their chart. As are all Scorpio placements.

You could say this about all signs in reality but like I said above Scorpio is a stronger catalyst for darkness. I believe most people express its negativity pretty mildly compared to its full potential.

posted May 01, 2016 08:36 PM            

He's an Aquarius Sun, and seriously one of the nicest, most intelligent people I will probably ever meet. Very smart, very eloquent, not inclined towards meanness in any way that I've ever seen. Extraordinarily talented as well, and hilarious.

posted May 01, 2016 08:47 PM            

I have an afflicted Mars in Scorpio. It's square Mercury, Neptune, & Sun and is opposite Saturn whilst conjunct the ascendant in the first (square MC). Luckily it makes a trine to Venus or it would be dying lol. It is also parallel Pluto in declinations, which most definitely makes it potent.

With the combination of other afflicted planets, especially Mercury, Sun, and Saturn, I can be extremely insensitive and hurtful when I'm angry. A friend of mine who also has an afflicted Mars in Scorpio has told me that I made her cry when we've gotten into arguments, even though she hasn't caused that effect with me. However, her Mars is retrograde.

Having a Gemini Moon only contributes to the problematic side of me in which I fight with two sides of my emotional context. Derailing for a bit, having a Gemini Moon can be scary af sometimes. I've noticed that with certain people that I'm getting along with I'll suddenly think "I want her to die", when that's absolutely not what I want at all. This can be very problematic when a chart has MiS. It is a hades Moon in the 8th (opposite Pluto exact, tightest aspect in chart), so that probably colors my moon a great deal.

Back on topic, I can be prone to using people's feelings against them in order to "completely destroy them" since that may be what I set as my goal. To add on, I've noticed that when I explode it is like an Aries Mars, which is shocking enough as it is (Aries Moon in Mars Persona?). One thing that can be noted is that a Mars in Scorpio knows how to get under your skin. I've seen other Mars in Scorpios do it, and they do it well.

However, you may never see this side of them because it is a water sign. Mars in Water will most likely hide their anger and prefer to not release it externally until pushed to that point. Cancers Mars does it especially and so does Mars in Pisces (when they get mad and give you that "look").

That's my long, ongoing explanation of my ideas and thoughts on Mars in Scorpio

posted May 01, 2016 08:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
Oh...wait. I did briefly date yet another Mars in Scorpio guy (well, I seem to have a bit of a trend here, don't I).

He's an Aquarius Sun, and seriously one of the nicest, intelligent people I will probably ever meet. Very smart, very eloquent, not inclined towards meanness in any way that I've ever seen. Extraordinarily talented as well, and hilarious.

So. There's that.

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What a coincidence, I'm an Aquarius Sun with Mars in Scorpio. Your description does sound a bit like me lol

posted May 01, 2016 09:07 PM            

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posted May 01, 2016 09:07 PM            

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You know, I notice threads about scorps get ppl very defensive

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I've read up to this, and I have to say no one was defensive. People were mostly sharing their experiences, or, like you, just making sure there was some balance.

As for me, I have two intimate experiences with Scorpio Mars. One was a scary, deluded stalker that made me more cautious on the net.

Another is much more pleasant, though she takes a long time to get over something, and the only reason I put up with it is because of her placements (including Scorpio Mars), which technically means I make allowances for her Scorpio Mars rather than worshiping it. Indeed, had I known from the start, I'd have run before I got that close to her, in part because of how people at LL describe them (their dream lover, but my nightmare).

Though I can't help but notice how many people also post about how some Scorpio or Scorpio placement has treated them badly when they were expecting something different (*), but that's probably because astrologers have a tendency to pursue them over other types, and thus we get more threads of those type so that it seems there's a serious love/hate against Scorpio on LL. (Granted, people tend to only see the love or the hate about that and other placements, but not both, something that is odd to me.)

posted May 01, 2016 09:08 PM            

I'm not violent/volatile at all and I've also known other Scorpio Mars who are the same. I'm a Virgo and the other two are Libras (guy and girl).

Did I mention I've never been in a fight in my life? lol

I do and have done martial arts here and there for the past couple of years and that's the only "violent" thing about me. Other than that I'm a live and let live person. If I haven't provoked you then don't provoke me and act surprised when I focus my energy on you and bite back.

I like the strength of this placement.

posted May 01, 2016 09:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
What a coincidence, I'm an Aquarius Sun with Mars in Scorpio. Your description does sound a bit like me lol

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posted May 01, 2016 09:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
Now that you've quoted me, I realized I had a ridiculous typo in my post, lol.

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Omg whoops. Sorry

posted May 01, 2016 09:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
Omg whoops. Sorry

If you want me to unquote you I can

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posted May 01, 2016 09:58 PM            

This would agree with you:
http://astrophilosophy.tumblr.com/post/51098706437/mars-in-capricorn

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Men born with Mars in Capricorn are not to be trifled with. They may often seem like the devil’s incarnate. They can be very lusty, cynical, greedy, depraved. They are very connected to the earth. This means that they are usually comfortable in whatever they do. They don’t have a conventional view of morality. They do what they want, what feels good. They are not ashamed of any desires. With Mars in Capricorn their materialistic pursuits get an adrenaline boosts. They are as ambitious as possible. They can be very horny and obsessed with wealth and power. They may indulge in liquor, hard drugs, sex, food, gambling whatever. They will stop at nothing to make an extra penny. They may indulge in extravagant excesses and luxuries. They may not feel comfortable unless they have one more diamond than the richest guy they know

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