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Topic: Myers Briggs and Astrology
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Electro DGX Knowflake Posts: 1420 From: Plutanus Registered: Jul 2015
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posted May 03, 2016 09:34 PM
I know there are tons of different threads based on this topic, but I wanted to start a new thread to discuss. I thought this would be an interesting one to discuss. As an Aquarius with a stellium of five, I'm an INTJ! Every time I take the test this is the result I get, and the description fits me best. I take pride in being an INTJ lol. What connections can you make to your Meyers Briggs result and your natal chart? IP: Logged |
Starry~* Knowflake Posts: 581 From: New York, USA Registered: Nov 2011
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posted May 03, 2016 11:00 PM
I've gotten INTJ and ENTJ.I'm a libra sun/moon/mars but with a Pluto/merc/venus/ASC in scorpio in the first. I guess the "NTJ" parts are true LOL and I am 'indecisive' between I or E :P IP: Logged |
ReachingForTheStars Knowflake Posts: 437 From: second star to the right, and straight on till morning Registered: Dec 2013
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posted May 04, 2016 12:38 AM
I'm an INTJ as well. It's supposed to be a rare type because of the combined functions of creative intuition and thinking. I've described in other threads on the topic that I attribute the INTJ functions to Pisces /12th house (introversion/ intuition), some form of Venus dominance (creativity), and air / earth (thinking, judging, discrimination, and practicality). I'm a Gemini rising, sun, and Mercury. Chart ruler in the 12th house, libra dominant by sign, Venus domicile in Taurus, and moon in Capricorn. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/230823-2.html IP: Logged |
ReachingForTheStars Knowflake Posts: 437 From: second star to the right, and straight on till morning Registered: Dec 2013
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posted May 04, 2016 12:40 AM
quote: Originally posted by Starry~*: I've gotten INTJ and ENTJ.I'm a libra sun/moon/mars but with a Pluto/merc/venus/ASC in scorpio in the first. I guess the "NTJ" parts are true LOL and I am 'indecisive' between I or E :P
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XzaultaX Knowflake Posts: 169 From: Your mind Registered: Feb 2016
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posted May 04, 2016 01:22 AM
I got ISTP and ESTP i think mainy because i have Uranus square AC, Sun, and Mercury.IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 8899 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted May 04, 2016 01:52 AM
Ive always gotten INFJIm- Saggy Sun/Merc/Nep Virgo Moon in 12th unaspected Libra Ac/Pluto/Venus I think the unaspected moon makes me a deep feeler... IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 8899 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted May 04, 2016 01:57 AM
quote: Originally posted by XzaultaX: I got ISTP and ESTP i think mainy because i have Uranus square AC, Sun, and Mercury.
Ha...im seeing an ISTP and his Uranus is on his Sun! It seems it would play heavily in this personality type. IP: Logged |
ReachingForTheStars Knowflake Posts: 437 From: second star to the right, and straight on till morning Registered: Dec 2013
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posted May 04, 2016 02:27 AM
quote: Originally posted by Gabby: Ha...im seeing an ISTP and his Uranus is on his Sun! It seems it would play heavily in this personality type.
That's interesting. I wonder if Uranus relates to the "P" function. It seems fitting. J's like order and structure. P's are more flexible and open-ended like Uranus. quote: Perceivers perceive structure as being more limiting than enabling. They prefer to keep their choices open so they can cope with many problems that the know life will put in their way.They get their sense of control by keeping their options open and making choices only when they are necessary. They are generally curious and like to expand their knowledge, which they will freely acknowledge as being incomplete. They are tolerant of other people's differences and will adapt to fit into whatever the situation requires. At work, they tend to avoid or put off decisions and like most the exploration of problems and situations. Judgers may see them as aimless drifters.
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ReachingForTheStars Knowflake Posts: 437 From: second star to the right, and straight on till morning Registered: Dec 2013
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posted May 04, 2016 02:44 AM
quote: Originally posted by Gabby: Ive always gotten INFJIm- Saggy Sun/Merc/Nep Virgo Moon in 12th unaspected Libra Ac/Pluto/Venus I think the unaspected moon makes me a deep feeler...
Wow! You are an INJ too with the same features I've described! 12th house luminary in earth (a prominent aspect), strong Venus (chart ruler, domicile) and in air... Interesting about the unaspected moon. My 12th house planet is Mercury making my introverted intuition more cerebral. Maybe moon in the 12th house adds depth to the feelings too. IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 8899 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted May 04, 2016 05:07 AM
quote: Originally posted by ReachingForTheStars: Wow! You are an INJ too with the same features I've described! 12th house luminary in earth (a prominent aspect), strong Venus (chart ruler, domicile) and in air... Interesting about the unaspected moon. My 12th house planet is Mercury making my introverted intuition more cerebral. Maybe moon in the 12th house adds depth to the feelings too.
We both have Mercury in 12th, my Virgo moon is merc ruled...that's interesting to. Yes i would have to agree the 12th house moon does give a kind of Pisces moon affect but in more contained way. Whew!! Lol IP: Logged |
Hon Solo Knowflake Posts: 80 From: Registered: Apr 2016
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posted May 04, 2016 05:09 AM
ENFJ here.Intuitive makes sense, as I am a Pisces Sun and Cancer Ascendant. Feeling makes sense too, since Moon rules my chart. Judging: Moon and Mars in conjunction, opposing Pluto. Extroverted I am less sure of, well there are lots of things happening in my 11th house, maybe my Venus in Aquarius relates to this as well. IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 8899 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted May 04, 2016 05:11 AM
quote: Originally posted by ReachingForTheStars: That's interesting. I wonder if Uranus relates to the "P" function. It seems fitting. J's like order and structure. P's are more flexible and open-ended like Uranus. [QUOTE]Perceivers perceive structure as being more limiting than enabling. They prefer to keep their choices open so they can cope with many problems that the know life will put in their way. They get their sense of control by keeping their options open and making choices only when they are necessary. They are generally curious and like to expand their knowledge, which they will freely acknowledge as being incomplete. They are tolerant of other people's differences and will adapt to fit into whatever the situation requires. At work, they tend to avoid or put off decisions and like most the exploration of problems and situations. Judgers may see them as aimless drifters.
http://changingminds.org/explanations/preferences/judging_perceiving.htm [/QUOTE]Great post, thank you! The P's also dont like to be told what to do, like Uranus ...they come across as rebellious but really its just a matter of understanding them and knowing how to work with them. They are unique creatures! 😊
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Nyctea Knowflake Posts: 371 From: Registered: Dec 2015
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posted May 04, 2016 07:00 AM
INFPTbh all i can think about reading the descriptions is water signs and i have no planets in water. The 'closest' to water i have in my chart is Ruler of the 4th house in the 4th Cap Sun, Saturn in the 8th (?) Sun/Moon MP in Pisces Sun conjunct Neptune (a bit wide but same sign and house) Venus conjunct Neptune Moon opposite Pluto Sun in the Cancer duad, ASC in Scorpio duad At least that's what i remember. IP: Logged |
Electro DGX Knowflake Posts: 1420 From: Plutanus Registered: Jul 2015
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posted May 04, 2016 09:36 AM
Those are interesting conclusions, but I don't have any 12th house placements lol. My fifth house is cusped by Pisces and Jupiter + Pallas fall in there conjunct (Pallas is also parallel Asc). Neptune in my chart is conjunct Sun and Mercury (Merc is tightest), square Mars and Saturn (T-Square) and square Asc (which is conjunct Mars exact). My Mars falls in the first conjunct Asc in Scorpio, so that probably adds to the more creative bits perhaps. My 12th house falls in Libra so its ruler would be Venus. My Venus is unafflicted and sits in the fourth in Aquarius. Perhaps having five planets in Aquarius with Uranus dominant would be the reason why I have the TJ bit, but the IN could be due to the Scorpio bits. ------------------ "My mind is fabricated with the world of imagination." Mercury Conjunct Neptune Aquarius Dominant IP: Logged |
Lerena Knowflake Posts: 472 From: Registered: May 2015
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posted May 04, 2016 10:40 AM
I'm an INTP. Combining the Myers Briggs with astrology isn't a simple task for me so I have no idea if there's anything in my chart that suggests I'm an INTP. However, regardless, I made a few guesses.Introverted - Taurus Sun Intuitive - Scorpio Ascendant Thinking - Gemini Moon Perceiving - Gemini Moon IP: Logged |
Electro DGX Knowflake Posts: 1420 From: Plutanus Registered: Jul 2015
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posted May 04, 2016 10:52 AM
quote: Originally posted by Lerena: I'm an INTP. Combining the Myers Briggs with astrology isn't a simple task for me so I have no idea if there's anything in my chart that suggests I'm an INTP. However, regardless, I made a few guesses.Introverted - Taurus Sun Intuitive - Scorpio Ascendant Thinking - Gemini Moon Perceiving - Gemini Moon
I think the Scorpio Ascendant also contributes to the introversion, because If I had a Libra ascendant I would be extremely popular lol. ------------------ Aquarius Sun, Merc, Venus, Uranus, Neptune Scorpio Mars conj. Asc in First 8th House Moon opposite Pluto, Trine Uranus Have you caught onto the predicament I'm in yet? IP: Logged |
Vajra Knowflake Posts: 1738 From: Registered: Dec 2012
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posted May 04, 2016 01:07 PM
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Mergoatsun Knowflake Posts: 890 From: USA Today Registered: Aug 2015
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posted May 04, 2016 03:28 PM
I'm an INFJ. I really have no idea how this is connected to my natal chart Introverted - Capricorn Sun/stellium Intuitive - Aquarius Mercury sextile Sagittarius Pluto Feeling - Leo Moon Judging - Libra Ascendent------------------ "Do not let the behavior of others destroy your inner peace." -Dalai Lama IP: Logged |
ReachingForTheStars Knowflake Posts: 437 From: second star to the right, and straight on till morning Registered: Dec 2013
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posted May 04, 2016 06:29 PM
quote: Originally posted by Electro DGX: Those are interesting conclusions, but I don't have any 12th house placements lol. My fifth house is cusped by Pisces and Jupiter + Pallas fall in there conjunct (Pallas is also parallel Asc). Neptune in my chart is conjunct Sun and Mercury (Merc is tightest), square Mars and Saturn (T-Square) and square Asc (which is conjunct Mars exact). My Mars falls in the first conjunct Asc in Scorpio, so that probably adds to the more creative bits perhaps. My 12th house falls in Libra so its ruler would be Venus. My Venus is unafflicted and sits in the fourth in Aquarius. Perhaps having five planets in Aquarius with Uranus dominant would be the reason why I have the TJ bit, but the IN could be due to the Scorpio bits.
Oh yeah, I should have explained better. I highly doubt ALL introverted intuitives will have 12th house planets or Pisces in their chart. What I meant is some prominence of 12th house, Pisces, or Neptune influence and perhaps this should be extended to include other water placements. I can totally see scorpios involvement in introspection, intuition, and discrimination. Your Neptune/Mercury/sun and the aspect configuration fits the bill. What makes a particular energy prominent depends on a number of variables. For example, to be prominent, Venus doesn't have to be exalted or domicile; it can be conjunct a luminary or angle, or be part of a major configuration like a stellium of planets. I look more for the general theme of energies when relating it to the Meyers-Briggs. You know what I find interesting about the Scorpio/Pluto involvement in the INJs so far is the theme of transformation. INTJ are described as systems builders who will deconstruct things that don't work and replace them with structures that do. Often, we relate structures to Saturn and Capricorn, but when it comes to transforming something, that's Pluto energies. IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 8899 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted May 04, 2016 06:57 PM
The guy im seeing, ISTPLibra Sun exact conjunct Uranus Scorpio Moon in12th house conjunct scorpVenus(5 deg) Saggitarius AC (scorp Nept conjunct by 3 deg) Virgo Mars IP: Logged |
ReachingForTheStars Knowflake Posts: 437 From: second star to the right, and straight on till morning Registered: Dec 2013
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posted May 04, 2016 09:01 PM
quote: Originally posted by Gabby: The guy im seeing, ISTPLibra Sun exact conjunct Uranus Scorpio Moon in12th house conjunct scorpVenus(5 deg) Saggitarius AC (scorp Nept conjunct by 3 deg) Virgo Mars
That's lots of Scorpio! He definitely has the markings for introversion. Is his Pluto also in Virgo? Sun conjunct Uranus in the 11th house? 6th house in Taurus? Where's his Jupiter? ISTP have qualities I associate most with Virgo influences and well I can see how Scorpio can relate to intuition and introversion like I mention above, i think it's more of a secondary or subtle influence for INTJs. I see it having more of a focused and discriminating influence... Ya know. So let's see... The dominant function of ISTPs is introverted thinking supported by extraverted sensing. The most characteristic quality I notice in those with a dominant introverted thinking function is described this way: quote: Ti seeks precision, such as the exact word to express an idea. It notices the minute distinctions that define the essence of things, then analyzes and classifies them.
Very Virgo / Scorpio, right?! Auxiliary function: extraverted sensing: quote: Se focuses on the experiences and sensations of the immediate, physical world. With an acute awareness of the present surroundings, it brings relevant facts and details to the forefront
I can totally understand these description relating to Virgo, Scorpio energy (Taurus too). His moon/Venus energy (if it rules his 6th/8th house combines those traits in the house of inner consciousness. Plus, it's disposed by Mars in Virgo! Makes sense right! Although, TBH, I think I could justify lots of placements. Lol! My husband is this way. I think he's an ISTP too. He has a Virgo sun, Scorpio Venus. Sooo, my theory for ISTP: some kind of Virgo influence, Uranus, scorp. This is all way too complicated to be able to specifically equate it to this or that, but my J must seek closure! Lol. It's fun to speculate!
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ReachingForTheStars Knowflake Posts: 437 From: second star to the right, and straight on till morning Registered: Dec 2013
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posted May 04, 2016 09:08 PM
quote: Originally posted by Lerena: I'm an INTP. Combining the Myers Briggs with astrology isn't a simple task for me so I have no idea if there's anything in my chart that suggests I'm an INTP. However, regardless, I made a few guesses.Introverted - Taurus Sun Intuitive - Scorpio Ascendant Thinking - Gemini Moon Perceiving - Gemini Moon
Moon in the 8th house? Sun I the 6th or 7th house? Where's Mars and Pluto? Uranus? IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 8899 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted May 04, 2016 09:23 PM
quote: Originally posted by ReachingForTheStars: I can totally understand these description relating to Virgo, Scorpio energy (Taurus too). His moon/Venus energy (if it rules his 6th/8th house combines those traits in the house of inner consciousness. Plus, it's disposed by Mars in Virgo! Makes sense right! Although, TBH, I think I could justify lots of placements. Lol! My husband is this way. I think he's an ISTP too. He has a Virgo sun, Scorpio Venus. Sooo, my theory for ISTP: some kind of Virgo influence, Uranus, scorp. This is all way too complicated to be able to specifically equate it to this or that, but my J must seek closure! Lol. It's fun to speculate!
Very interesting stuff here, i cant wait to see more ppl chime in but so far there is some definite patterns here!! Im shocked hes not Intuitive with all that scorpio and 12th house placements...maybe you need the earth to ground you so you can use the intuitive parts of your personality in real everday life? Or at least it needs to be in an a house that allows it to flow through a source that stabilizes it...like an earth house, or the 3/9th house would work. His Sun/Uranus in 10th His MC, Mars, Mercury and Pluto are Virgo all in 10th Saturn is in Taurus in 6th Jupiter is in Scorp in 11th house cusp of 12th His 8th house cancer, 6th house taurus Isnt it funny how us as "J"'s, we need to start getting our answers lined up so we know there will be an end eventually or we start feeling overwhelmed...lol Why cant we just enjoy the process and trust we can stop whenever we want and we can take breaks whenever we need along the way?? We make it so hard on ourselves, lol! Ugh!! IP: Logged |
Lerena Knowflake Posts: 472 From: Registered: May 2015
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posted May 05, 2016 12:17 AM
quote: Originally posted by ReachingForTheStars: Moon in the 8th house? Sun I the 6th or 7th house? Where's Mars and Pluto? Uranus?
Moon in 8th house Sun in 6th house Mars in 4th house Pluto in 12th house Uranus in 2nd house IP: Logged |
ReachingForTheStars Knowflake Posts: 437 From: second star to the right, and straight on till morning Registered: Dec 2013
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posted May 06, 2016 05:58 PM
quote: Very interesting stuff here, i cant wait to see more ppl chime in but so far there is some definite patterns here!!
I think so too! quote: Im shocked hes not Intuitive with all that scorpio and 12th house placements...maybe you need the earth to ground you so you can use the intuitive parts of your personality in real everday life? Or at least it needs to be in an a house that allows it to flow through a source that stabilizes it...like an earth house, or the 3/9th house would work.
Me too actually! What's interesting is you're an intuitive with a 12th house Virgo moon - the same sign I equate to the ISTP's dominant functions. What gives?! Lol! What is it that makes your 12th house moon in Virgo, less Virgo-like than his 12th house moon in Scorpio! I'm really glad you replied with all this info. Nothing makes an INTJ happier than these sorts of puzzles! What's hard about my approach is it's part alchemy, chemistry, psychology, pseudoscience... Whatever you wanna call it, lol. It's like, 2 parts hydrogen and one part oxygen makes water. I see astrology in much the same way although I don't have a periodic table of elements or some dictionary of chemical compounds. I always wonder... What if the energetic composition of our souls is the same where so many parts Virgo energy and so many parts Scorpio combine to make this or that. Different ratios, make different energetic vibrations much like how chemical changes occur. Some energetic bonds (let's call it a square) are more "unstable" (in the chemical sense, like covalent bonding) than others. What you said about the elements and flow of energy according to the houses makes sense to me. It's like a recipe or something where the planets, their signs and aspects, are the ingredients and the houses are the cooking instructions. It's actually all pretty intriguing. If we use tools like the Meyers-Briggs or other models of cognitive processing and work backwards from there with astrology, it's pretty revealing. Take the superficial personality assessments out of the Meyers-Briggs and focus on its use of cognitive processing and how different people process the world and it's very relatable to the astrological framework of personalities. It may help to identify the dominant planets of a chart better than the bottom-up approach we so often use... Evaluate the molecules instead of the atoms. quote: Isnt it funny how us as "J"'s, we need to start getting our answers lined up so we know there will be an end eventually or we start feeling overwhelmed...lol
Why cant we just enjoy the process and trust we can stop whenever we want and we can take breaks whenever we need along the way?? We make it so hard on ourselves, lol! Ugh!!
O.M.G! I know, right! It's funny because I'm so Gemini! You wouldn't think I wouldn't need as much closure as I do!!! One person in this thread equated their Gem placements with the "P" function and that is a completely valid conclusion considering what we stereotypically know about the sign!! What's funny is my "curiosity" is what drives me to find a conclusion. Like... I just HAVE to know!!! But, that could be Saturn in my chart grounding it like you say. I think the Virgo/Scorpio blend takes the critical nature of Virgo and focuses it in on precision much like Jupiter serves to expand what it touches. Scorpio is like the spice you add to something to highlight its natural flavor. It seems some energies may be subservient to others. IP: Logged |