posted May 05, 2016 03:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Depends how you define romance.

It is NOT however the house of relationships.

<i am also not so sure if we are doing ourselves a favour if we associate the houses too closely with the signs. There is some similiarity, but it is not identical. but I am not done with the reflection on this yet.

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posted May 05, 2016 04:23 PM            

Anyway donīt take this the wrong way but I don`t feel the need to convince anybody of 5th house being about romance. If you want to interprete it in another way, just do it.

For me personally it makes perfect sense.
And I don`t even see how one could see it as contradictory to some of the other keywords like "creation/ creativity", "emotional expression" (which then leads to the derived interpretation of drama, theatre and the like), "spark of life/ feeling alive/ vibrancy", and so on.

I do think though the reason why some of you find it so contradictory is that you have a different understanding of what "romance" in the 5th house sense means than I do.

If you donīt see it as house of romance, then by all means, donīt interprete it that way (though personally I think if you donīt, you will miss out on quite a bit of interpretation-range. but again, that is just my personal perception and experience with that house in astrological charts. Everyone will find their own approach and method I guess.)

posted May 05, 2016 05:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
yes, I know about the astrological alphabet, have been using it myself for years. I am just questioning it sometimes. at least in the absolute way of identfying one things with the other. Might be valid. Might not. It serves well enough.

Anyway donīt take this the wrong way but I don`t feel the need to convince anybody of 5th house being about romance. If you want to interprete it in another way, just do it.

For me personally it makes perfect sense.
And I don`t even see how one could see it as contradictory to some of the other keywords like "creation/ creativity", "emotional expression" (which then leads to the derived interpretation of drama, theatre and the like), "spark of life/ feeling alive/ vibrancy", and so on.

I do think though the reason why some of you find it so contradictory is that you have a different understanding of what "romance" in the 5th house sense means than I do.

If you donīt see it as house of romance, then by all means, donīt interprete it that way (though personally I think if you donīt, you will miss out on quite a bit of interpretation-range. but again, that is just my personal perception and experience with that house in astrological charts. Everyone will find their own approach and method I guess.)

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Yes I understand completely it's just hard for me to distinguish the 5th house as a romantic house because I have love asteroids sitting there Valentine, Juno, Eros along others and im the worst person to ask whether it is a house of romance. My friend doesn't see this to be a romantic house he sees it as a child like house indeed and a creative house of course. But yeah he is a firm believer that is not romantic yet he's a Leo go figure right?

posted May 05, 2016 05:34 PM            

It`s not romantic in the sense we might see the 7th house (well some do), it is not the "I want to be with you and get married to you and share my life with you" kind of romance.

More the one that makes you feel like you are a littly tipsy, the infatuation phase if you so want; and there is also this creativity coming with it in this phase when the other gets our imagination rolling, those initial sparks, the almost innocent and childlike jumping into it headfirst without thinking too much (depending on what is present in 5th house, my 5th house urler is in Capricorn squrae Pluto - not too lighthearted right there ).

It`s the bounce in your step (just like children usually never walk, they bounce and jump), the joy and cherishing life to its fullest.

THAT kind of romance (not the compelling soul consuming scorching passion and intensity of the 8th house or the "you are my man/ woman" feeling of the 7th house - oversymplyfying of course. lol).

posted May 05, 2016 07:47 PM            

What am I missing here...?

Also...as the 7th house represents marriage/partnerships, wouldn't it come after that, traditionally? Not that I care about whether or not people get married before they have kids, obviously (way too much Uranus in my chart to bother with that nonsense). It just seems like astrology is pretty old, and would indicate something along those lines.

posted May 05, 2016 08:10 PM            

Children aren't necessarily creative projects, but they are things that you "create" and put your "heart" into. So I think it makes sense and personally, I don't see children being in the 4H or any other house. But I agree that the 5H is kinda one of those houses we go along with without really questioning it.

As far as dating,
Leo will proudly showcase or put themselves out there so the 5H represents activities that require us to do that (dating, romance, creative arts like acting, music, etc)
So it does make sense that it rules dating/romance b/c when you're dating, you put yourself out there as an individual to market yourself as someone dateable (good-looking, smart, funny, whatever) and you need a certain level of confidence (Leo) to do that. Whether you have this in you or not will be shown by the 5H.

posted May 05, 2016 09:33 PM            

1rst house, You in the world ,in your environment, 2nd house, what is next to you(your values, what you keep close) 3rd house, academics(basic stuff, basic communication,sharing you values(learning to) you learn(or teach) such basics from your siblings even b4 school) ,
4th house, home roots(awareness(moon/Cancer) of roots)parents.
The 5th is the 2nd house to the fourth.If you are going to have a family you need a HOME to have it in,, Ideally anyway.
Similarly the 11th is the 2nd to the tenth, goals shared with friends/colleagues/love received
The ultimate expression of LIFE is to create another LIFE. What sign do we attribute being self-expressive more that any other. LEO.
What is more creative that creating ANOTHER HUMAN BEING. You give you love to your children and to create them. I could go on an on off the top of my head but feel it is not needed.

Focus on seeing the signs as pairs,
maybe

posted May 06, 2016 09:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
I still don't understand how the 5th house represents our children...

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Well as a matter of fact the children in term s of progeny that carry your genes forward into time is more related to 8th house.

The 5th house is not really your physical children as in individual people (though curiously enough very often parent`s 5th houses are reflected in their children`s natal charts, though not always. in my Dad`s case it fits though, his 5th house is in Aquarius with Venus-Jupiter in there, and my Moon conjunct his Venus-Jupiter, my middle brother`s ASC is there as well).

But anyway I disgress, the 5th house is more about your ATTITUDE towards children (including your own), your desire to (pro)create or lack thereof, how you relate to children and also to your own inner child (not in the sense of immature child, but in the sense of a pure essence of what makes you feel alive).

posted May 06, 2016 09:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Seimei:
You are not dense,, maybe Mercury and Mars and Jupiter and Saturn all being retro has you having dense moments
5th , as if after the fourth, like maybe you should have a home to have the children IN, so you are not like a family on the streets,
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1rst house, You in the world ,in your environment, 2nd house, what is next to you(your values, what you keep close) 3rd house, academics(basic stuff, basic communication,sharing you values(learning to) you learn(or teach) such basics from your siblings even b4 school) ,
4th house, home roots(awareness(moon/Cancer) of roots)parents.
The 5th is the 2nd house to the fourth.If you are going to have a family you need a HOME to have it in,, Ideally anyway.
Similarly the 11th is the 2nd to the tenth, goals shared with friends/colleagues/love received
The ultimate expression of LIFE is to create another LIFE. What sign do we attribute being self-expressive more that any other. LEO.
What is more creative that creating ANOTHER HUMAN BEING. You give you love to your children and to create them. I could go on an on off the top of my head but feel it is not needed.

Focus on seeing the signs as pairs,
maybe

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posted May 07, 2016 11:50 AM            

I think I can understand that better.

I suppose I should have worded my question "Why does the 5th house pertain to children?" because that's what I haven't really been understanding.

I think it's starting to click, lol.

posted May 07, 2016 01:36 PM            

The 5th house is the fun house and is what motivates many of us to keep on living. It is the "juice" of life.

The 5th house rules children and off-springs -because these are our "creations"(whether done through insemination or otherwise).

But the 5th house is not limited to children- as those can be only one of many outcomes of our need to "express" ourselves.

-Creative writing.
-Walking for enjoyment
-Knitting for enjoyment.
-Dressing up to go out
-Watching movies.
-Dancing to your favorite song
-Creative reading
-Acting/Performing
-Telling jokes
-Enjoyment of social events i.e concerts, parties and benefits etc.
-Playing sports for fun
-Playing games for fun
-Connecting with a date and just being oblivious of the hours going by
-Goofing around with your mate
-Being playful with those around you
-Laughing and having a good time
-The "feel good" feelings that inspire one to host events or find them.

The 5th house rules the things that make us look forward to the week-end. And then mourn for it when it ends.

Understandably, this house can be quite addictive.As it reminds us of our "inner child" and the need to just kick back, relax and have a gay old time(pun intended )

The 5th house rules;

-Theme parks
-Movie theaters, Broadway, Street shows etc.
-Where people hang out to have fun i.e clubs
-Live performances
-Comedy shows
-Talent shows(Idols,X-factor etc)

posted May 07, 2016 01:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
It would make more sense to me if it were associated with our youth, into adolescence, and then sort of by default would be associated with our own children as well.

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posted May 07, 2016 01:56 PM            

It somehow strikes me as vain, for some reason (yes, I realize I'm just getting hung up on semantics, but that's a Virgo Moon issue).

I'm not religious, but I do believe that our children are our creator's creations. It's not like we can really take credit for that on any level other than biologically. We're here to love them and keep them safe, and to do our best to help them be their best, but...I see them as God's creations (in a spiritual way, not a whackadoodle religious way).

My NN being there, I have interestingly very little interest in the typical 5th house themes, although there's some interest there, as I have Neptune planted there as well. I do have an interest in art, to a degree, and I certainly have an interest in my children.

posted May 07, 2016 02:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
But that is how it is!!!

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Yeah, I was catching that, lol.

I think it just took that specific wording for it to click for me, heh. Mercury Rx.

I'm not doing a great job of communicating here (and I'm mildly distracted), but I understood that, and it made sense to me when I look at it that way.

posted May 07, 2016 04:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
The 5th house type of romance to me IS childlike romance in a way (though with the extension of expressing your sexual identity).

It`s not romantic in the sense we might see the 7th house (well some do), it is not the "I want to be with you and get married to you and share my life with you" kind of romance.

More the one that makes you feel like you are a littly tipsy, the infatuation phase if you so want; and there is also this creativity coming with it in this phase when the other gets our imagination rolling, those initial sparks, the almost innocent and childlike jumping into it headfirst without thinking too much (depending on what is present in 5th house, my 5th house urler is in Capricorn squrae Pluto - not too lighthearted right there ).

It`s the bounce in your step (just like children usually never walk, they bounce and jump), the joy and cherishing life to its fullest.

THAT kind of romance (not the compelling soul consuming scorching passion and intensity of the 8th house or the "you are my man/ woman" feeling of the 7th house - oversymplyfying of course. lol).

At least that is my take on it.

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This makes sense now I'll show him this tmrw when I see him.

posted May 08, 2016 01:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Well as a matter of fact the children in term s of progeny that carry your genes forward into time is more related to 8th house.

The 5th house is not really your physical children as in individual people (though curiously enough very often parent`s 5th houses are reflected in their children`s natal charts, though not always. in my Dad`s case it fits though, his 5th house is in Aquarius with Venus-Jupiter in there, and my Moon conjunct his Venus-Jupiter, my middle brother`s ASC is there as well).

But anyway I disgress, the 5th house is more about your ATTITUDE towards children (including your own), your desire to (pro)create or lack thereof, how you relate to children and also to your own inner child (not in the sense of immature child, but in the sense of a pure essence of what makes you feel alive).

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So my 5th house is ruled by Taurus and I have Chiron there.

My daughter has her Chiron in her 2nd house.

Weird, huh

posted May 08, 2016 06:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Koniucha:
I have chiron there

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ME TOO