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Topic: Does the 5th house really pertain to children?
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Violets
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posted May 05, 2016 11:02 AM
  
It doesn't really make that much sense to me, in the order of things...It seems more like romance, creativity, Leo-type themes. Also, why would it immediately follow areas like early childhood/home environment, and then be followed by work, marriage, and sex/shared assets (to simplify, because I don't feel like detailing out all of the houses)? Wouldn't it seem more likely that it would be the 9th house maybe, or somewhere in between the 9th and 11th? I don't study astrology nearly as thoroughly as a lot of people here, so obviously take that into account. I would be interested to hear people's thoughts on the 5th house, and why it's supposed to pertain to children. IP: Logged |
Electro DGX
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posted May 05, 2016 11:05 AM
I've always associated early childhood with fourth house matters, not fifth house matters. Perhaps the fifth is linked to children due to Leo in its essence being a child. I have Jupiter in the 5th, and everywhere I go to look up info on this, it says that I can have very Sagittarian children. It's the house of playtime, fun, creativity, etc. It's most likely because these are associated with children that it is the house of children. ------------------
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Ceridwen
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posted May 05, 2016 11:05 AM
5th house really is about "the spark of life" and "creation"BTW 5th is not associated with our childhood but with our children, our offspring, what we create. IP: Logged |
mar1982delta
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posted May 05, 2016 11:13 AM
It's already answered, but I would like to say this if it doesn't matter, lol 
I like to think of it as sort of an etymology thing, too, children are pro-creation, creation/creativity is the 5th house as already mentioned! 
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Violets
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posted May 05, 2016 11:14 AM
Sorry, I should have clarified. Yes, I meant our children, not our childhoods.  This is why I should avoid posting as I'm starting to wake up in the morning... IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted May 05, 2016 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
5th house really is about "the spark of life" and "creation"BTW 5th is not associated with our childhood but with our children, our offspring, what we create.
Jupiter rules my 5H And I think my last pregnancy was an Immaculate Conception, honestly. LOL
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Violets
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posted May 05, 2016 11:17 AM
The order of it still seems sort of random...  But I do have Neptune in H5, and my son is very musically and artistically inclined, sensitive, intuitive, and overall Neptunian. He has Moon trine Neptune in natal, so I suppose that much fits, anyway. IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted May 05, 2016 11:19 AM
Well...Aries - birth, toddlerhood
Taurus- early childhood
Gemini - school
Cancer- romance
Leo - babies Back in the good old days when people began having children in their teen years. IP: Logged |
Electro DGX
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posted May 05, 2016 11:20 AM
My mom has a fifth house Mars in Leo, and my Dad has Merc conj. Venus in the 5th in Virgo. They had an Aquarius with an Earth void. This makes no sense to me lol
However my Mars is in the first conj. Asc and is quite prominent. I also have Aries Saturn. However, my sister has a Virgo Asc and Aries Mercury. ------------------
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Violets
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posted May 05, 2016 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by Faith:
Well...Aries - birth, toddlerhood
Taurus- early childhood
Gemini - school
Cancer- romance
Leo - babies Back in the good old days when people began having children in their teen years.
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Ceridwen
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posted May 05, 2016 12:28 PM
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Jupiter rules my 5HAnd I think my last pregnancy was an Immaculate Conception, honestly. LOL
Yeah sure. 
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angel4845
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posted May 05, 2016 12:56 PM
Can someone explain why the 5th house represens romance?I had a long debate with my friend on Sunday night over dinner and he is a leo and says that the 5th house has nothing to do with romance especially the sign leo and I disagreed ! But I may be wrong. ------------------
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Violets
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posted May 05, 2016 01:20 PM
^ I have similar questions about why it's associated with our children. Like why I don't really think of Leo as particularly representing children, personally. Although I suppose if we view Cancers as the mothers of the zodiac, it could possibly make sense? Otherwise, the creativity/creating/children connection just doesn't sit with me, for some reason. Most houses seem fairly straightforward to me, with the exception of the 2nd house. But the 5th house just doesn't make any damn sense to me! It would seem more like theatrics, drama, costume, and more closely linked to the first house to me (but then, I have Leo Rising). Anyway, my brain is still feeling rather fried, so I'm rambling, whatever. But I still have yet to feel satisfied with my understanding of this house, no matter how much I dig around reading about it. Maybe I'm just not looking in the right books/websites. IP: Logged |
mar1982delta
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posted May 05, 2016 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by Violets:
^ I have similar questions about why it's associated with our children. Like why I don't really think of Leo as particularly representing children, personally. Although I suppose if we view Cancers as the mothers of the zodiac, it could possibly make sense? Otherwise, the creativity/creating/children connection just doesn't sit with me, for some reason. Most houses seem fairly straightforward to me, with the exception of the 2nd house. But the 5th house just doesn't make any damn sense to me! It would seem more like theatrics, drama, costume, and more closely linked to the first house to me (but then, I have Leo Rising). Anyway, my brain is still feeling rather fried, so I'm rambling, whatever. But I still have yet to feel satisfied with my understanding of this house, no matter how much I dig around reading about it. Maybe I'm just not looking in the right books/websites.
Sorry if I insist, I am trying to help with what I know at least, if it helps..
I have read that Leos are children at heart more than once, during my astrology-studies lol..I am a Leo myself and at first it sounded odd, but flattering in a way and I thought it would be better to think and see if that's true! I guess the hidden aspect in this explanation is that it's a "justification" of why leos are famous for their egoism - even at a bad point - and this egoism is like the one of a child or even of a spoiled child, if you get what I mean..I don;t know if this is sugar-coating of leos, because I fear that, but that's what I have read..But in that sense, it resonates more as to why leos/5th house are connected to children. Art, drama, enthusiasm, creativity in general are also represented by the 5th house, as you already said. 
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PixieJane
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posted May 05, 2016 01:37 PM
Marriage, sexual practices (even gender roles, be it from their role with the money to what color is considered masculine and feminine), children (and their role) have changed many times through the ages. I started to explain how it has changed, and how it differs around the world even today, but it was turning into another essay, so I deleted it. Long story short, what we take for granted isn't the only paradigm, but we're inclined to think it is (more specifically, it doesn't occur to us that a different paradigm could ever define society) and that the paradigm we're raised in is somehow wired into us biologically rather than we were programmed to think that way (IOW, confusing the hardware with the software). What we take for granted today is still relatively new (some aspects are very new), but astrology comes from when things were different, and also shaped by many cultures in which there were many differences (both stated and silently). IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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posted May 05, 2016 01:47 PM
That aside, I've always had an affinity for children, and I had figured this was my 5H at work. These weren't MY children, but still. But it could simply be the luck of the draw. As a teen I came to the aid of librarians running a Summer Reading Program for children (that had a lot more than reading going on, and plenty of parents just dropped off the kids to use as free babysitter service, which is to say not all of the kids wanted to be there), and having the energy of a teenager (and with a 5H Sag stellium at that, including Mars) I was able to keep up. End result was the seemingly undying gratitude of the 2 librarians in charge of the program, and a smoking hot reference that opened doors for me for working with children in the future, and it just started a chain reaction, a butterfly effect if you will, where one thing led to another so that working with children became a major part of my life. IOW, maybe my packed 5H isn't directly involved as I had thought (though the physical energy I had back then was certainly useful when I worked with a lot more). IP: Logged |
angel4845
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posted May 05, 2016 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by Violets:
^ I have similar questions about why it's associated with our children. Like why I don't really think of Leo as particularly representing children, personally. Although I suppose if we view Cancers as the mothers of the zodiac, it could possibly make sense? Otherwise, the creativity/creating/children connection just doesn't sit with me, for some reason. Most houses seem fairly straightforward to me, with the exception of the 2nd house. But the 5th house just doesn't make any damn sense to me! It would seem more like theatrics, drama, costume, and more closely linked to the first house to me (but then, I have Leo Rising). Anyway, my brain is still feeling rather fried, so I'm rambling, whatever. But I still have yet to feel satisfied with my understanding of this house, no matter how much I dig around reading about it. Maybe I'm just not looking in the right books/websites.
Yeah I completely understand what your saying I do see it as a house of creativity and play and fun but romance? Im not too sure on that now however I have love asteroid such as Valentine, Eros and Juno in the 5th house so this house does feel romantic to me but when we talk about the symbolism of the 5th house?it might have nothing to do with romance unfornately, we may have to rely on love asteroids or possibly the 7th house, venus and neptune for this possibly...I know my brain is fried too. I think my friend has a point, I see the 12th house, pisces and neptune as the house of creativity along with the sun leo and the 5th but I feel both of these archetypes deal with a different sense of creativity what do you think? I feel pisces is defently more in tune with romance then leo...
Because pisces is more apt to fantisize delve in the imagination and art is all about the imagination the unconscious as I am an artist myself and I hang with the art community myself and they are very introverted and this is defently a 12th house/pisces/neptunian trait but I feel leo is also creative but more with PRIDE the show off the flamboyant sign of the zodiac the spoiled attention ***** lol I have done many charts on many artists photographers artistic musicians and they all have strong 12th house and/or neptune and/or pisces theme, the artistic show offs or very proud with there art seem to have strong leo or 5th house or perhaps both I've seen a strong pattern with jupiter in leo. I do see the 5th house having to do with children because I have my saturn in the 5th in aquarius and my 5th ruler in the 4th house in capricorn and I defently don't want children im bitter when it comes to children and giving labor as a woman. Creativity on the other hand is favorable for me as I have a strong 12th house/neptune. But I could blame my dark moon lilith in the 2nd house for that...as the 2nd house has to do with security our self esteem what we are worth what we are willing to pay for something.
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mar1982delta
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posted May 05, 2016 02:08 PM
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Yeah I completely understand what your saying I do see it as a house of creativity and play and fun but romance? Im not too sure on that now however I have love asteroid such as Valentine, Eros and Juno in the 5th house so this house does feel romantic to me but when we talk about the symbolism of the 5th house?it might have nothing to do with romance unfornately, we may have to rely on love asteroids or possibly the 7th house, venus and neptune for this possibly...I know my brain is fried too. I think my friend has a point, I see the 12th house, pisces and neptune as the house of creativity along with the sun leo and the 5th but I feel both of these archetypes deal with a different sense of creativity what do you think? I feel pisces is defently more in tune with romance then leo...
Because pisces is more apt to fantisize delve in the imagination and art is all about the imagination the unconscious as I am an artist myself and I hang with the art community myself and they are very introverted and this is defently a 12th house/pisces/neptunian trait but I feel leo is also creative but more with PRIDE the show off the flamboyant sign of the zodiac the spoiled attention ***** lol
Again sorry, I know this isn't addressed to me, but I get what you mean about the 12th house vs. 5th house creativity and romance, but I think its really different the essense of the one from the other. I mean romance of the 5th is like classic, a bit textobook, so to speak, grand gestures, such as giving flowers to a lover, "dramatic" gestures so to speak, but the 12th house, yes, is more about unconditional and universal love than the 5th, in my opinion as well! They are really different than the other, but they express different kind of romance/love and creativity, as you perfectly said!
so 5th = playful romance, romantic love, creativity and children vs. 12th house unconditional love of all kinds, spirituality, spiritual/artistic creativity in my mind, lol and yes it;s true what you say about leos vs. pisces, as well, I don;t think it's bad to admit it lol
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angel4845
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posted May 05, 2016 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by mar1982delta:
Again sorry, I know this isn't addressed to me, but I get what you mean about the 12th house vs. 5th house creativity and romance, but I think its really different the essense of the one from the other. I mean romance of the 5th is like classic, a bit textobook, so to speak, grand gestures, such as giving flowers to a lover, "dramatic" gestures so to speak, but the 12th house, yes, is more about unconditional and universal love than the 5th, in my opinion as well! They are really different than the other, but they express different kind of romance/love and creativity, as you perfectly said!
Omg thank god you UNDERSTAND!!!!!!! Lol!!! Im not trying to over throw leo but I feel leo is the PROUD CREATIVE TYPE for example Britney Spears...madonna...etc. And Pisces as Vincent vangough Beethoven the messed up introverted artists John pollock drunk out of his mind while making his art. And yes pisces is more apt to dream of romance then to actually present it to a lover right away like a leo. ------------------
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mar1982delta
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posted May 05, 2016 02:16 PM
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Omg thank god you UNDERSTAND!!!!!!! Lol!!! Im not trying to over throw leo but I feel leo is the PROUD CREATIVE TYPE for example Britney Spears...madonna...etc. And Pisces as Vincent vangough Beethoven the messed up introverted artists John pollock drunk out of his mind while making his art.
Hahahahaha, yes and I edited my post above, too, lol
I think it's valuable to see each sign for what it is, but not argue or be insulted by it, I mean yes, sign-"racism" is bad and I don;t like it, but every sign has its good and bad traits and every sign has its beauty, so why not telling the things the way they are lol?
Yes, creativity blend with drama, show, all the leo characteristics vs. creativity as an expression of spirituality, I see what you mean, you describe it really spot-on, hahaha
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angel4845
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posted May 05, 2016 02:19 PM
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Hahahahaha, yes and I edited my post above, too, lol
I think it's valuable to see each sign for what it is, but not argue or be insulted by it, I mean yes, sign-"racism" is bad and I don;t like it, but every sign has its good and bad traits and every sign has its beauty, so why not telling the things the way they are lol?
Yes, creativity blend with drama, show, all the leo characteristics vs. creativity as an expression of spirituality, I see what you mean, you describe it really spot-on, hahaha
Yeah I was having a debate on this with my astrologer friend and this is how we both see it in terms of leo and pisces the sun vs neptune lol!! But for some reason he doesn't see the 5th house as a romantic house and I couldn't understand his argument on that...I could be wrong
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mar1982delta
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posted May 05, 2016 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by angel4845:
Yeah I was having a debate on this with my astrologer friend and this is how we both see it in terms of leo and pisces the sun vs neptune lol!! But for some reason he doesn't see the 5th house as a romantic house and I couldn't understand his argument on that...I could be wrong
Maybe if we see it as the kind of childlike, "innocent", egotistical and a bit immature kind of romance? I think this might describe it vs. the more spiritual, unconditional, imaginative kind of romance the 12th house could represent..At least in my mind lol
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posted May 05, 2016 03:05 PM
I agree with the fact that people used to have children at a much younger age. That makes sense.I think of it this way though. There's house 1,2,3 and 4 which represents your home, childhood, the way you grew up. The 5th house is where you learn about yourself. It's your time to experiment and find out what you like, what you don't like. Hobbies and activities you pick up, things you find entertaining. There are many art forms, music, theater, films, dancing etc. Love affairs happen at this point in your life as well that might lead to offspring, or is another lesson learned and you move on. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted May 05, 2016 03:21 PM
Depends how you define romance. It is NOT however the house of relationships.
<i am also not so sure if we are doing ourselves a favour if we associate the houses too closely with the signs. There is some similiarity, but it is not identical. but I am not done with the reflection on this yet.
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DualGem
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posted May 05, 2016 03:27 PM
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Originally posted by Faith:
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Gemini - school
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I agree. 5th House Gemini Sun with Mercury conjunction. What I bring from school is exactly what I do at work. School just helps find a better way of doing it. If im coding a work, school helps me find a better algorithm. They complement each other. ====================================
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