posted May 07, 2016 03:36 PM            

Ex: I know a man who can't love, doesn't know how. I know and from all his charts and other spiritual guides confirming he is a horrid person, Nessus square Aries/venus-tight ,many hard aspects to Jupiter,. YET, he has received an ABUNDANCE of love...beautiful loving wife, beautiful home, money, career, friends, family and now going to have twins!

Ugh I just don't get it...

I know there isn't an answer at least not one we will receive until our time is over in this lifetime.

I just wanted to see what you all enlightened people believe?

posted May 07, 2016 06:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Looks can be deceiving, what goes on behind closed doors may be very different than how it appears from the outside.
I knew a surgeon once, beautiful family, wife, home, cars looked like he had it all...but he couldn't love either. He constantly cheated on her. She in turn treated him like a child but they appeared so happy to everyone else.
Nobody knew he was addicted to Heroine that he stole from the hospital for many years, she knew but refused to acknowledge it, until they medical board finally founs out and took his license. She was completely humiliated, but didn't care one bit about helping him, just the loss of money.
She stayed with him, although they hated each other, he went to rehab and eventually got his license back. She continued hating him but had another baby with him and spending his money. Eventually he divorced her, after too many affairs to count...he went back to drugs, overdosed and died. Most of this was a shock to the community, except for the drugs and rehab..but then he had a happy comeback story, according to evrryone else.....they kept most of it a secret until his death.

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Wow!!!

*the guy I was talking about, too has had many affairs...yet still looks amazing to everyone else.

posted May 07, 2016 06:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Looks can be deceiving, what goes on behind closed doors may be very different than how it appears from the outside.
I knew a surgeon once, beautiful family, wife, home, cars looked like he had it all...but he couldn't love either. He constantly cheated on her. She in turn treated him like a child but they appeared so happy to everyone else.
Nobody knew he was addicted to Heroine that he stole from the hospital for many years, she knew but refused to acknowledge it, she just ignoted his addiction. Until they medical board finally found out and took his license. She was completely humiliated, but didn't care one bit about helping him recover, she only cared about the loss of "her" money.
She stayed with him, although they hated each other, he went to rehab and eventually got his license back. She continued hating him but had another baby with him and spending his money. Eventually he divorced her, after too many affairs to count...he went back to drugs, overdosed and died. Most of this was a shock to the community, except for the drugs and rehab..but then he had a happy comeback story, according to evrryone else.....they kept most of it a secret until his death.

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posted May 07, 2016 07:14 PM            

When I was a runaway I saw many people disillusioned as they saw the brutal on both sides of the law rule over the weak. This is just one of the reasons I'm glad I wasn't raised religious as to lose their faith was traumatic, whether they were Christian, Wiccan, or whatever. A few of the kids who felt entitled to a just universe even took up what they thought Satanism was about as a way to get back at the God/dess for lying to them (when no divine being ever did lie to them, rather it was their parents, churches, books and religious texts, or what have you--okay, in many to most cases they didn't actually lie as they were mistaken). But then perhaps they had always been mercenary about their good deeds, expecting to be rewarded for it, so once they saw the inherent brutality of the world and corruption of humanity, they adjusted their spiritual beliefs into something of an anti-religion. But as I don't recall ever thinking life was fair, I adjusted a lot better than they did.

Of course, everyone has their burdens and trials and suffering.

I also think that a lot of the assumptions of a "just universe" is victim blaming to make one's self feel better at the expense of others, and can also backfire terribly (karma?) when the unthinkable then happens to the one who believes in such. Furthermore, it's dangerous, and not just to the believer, but also the pets and children of the believer who must suffer because the believer felt "I must be kind to the point of stupidity or bad karma will get me." And sometimes, "I must let them do it again, otherwise I'm cynical, unforgiving, and bad." I really don't see how people have been tricked into accepting beliefs like this, but a great many do. To me it's obvious that bad people conditioned people to think that way so that bad people could better exploit them (though the tricked have passed these lessons down through the ages).

Though the interesting bit to me is the idea that one is good expecting good rewards for doing so. Which is mercenary, though I personally would love it if it worked that way (it would be a very different world if it did), and I also love the paradox that destroys the difference between selfishness & selflessness. But as for me, most of my volunteer actions and charity is BECAUSE I believe life is unjust and unfair, and that it's up to people to make the changes, because divine or universal forces won't do it for us.

To add to this, I'll throw in this. While it's a review of a Buffy ep, I start it where the reviewer talks about existentialism and absurdism that shaped the story, but also that this is why our choices matter:
http://youtu.be/KiJ7Kscpyks?t=4m6s

It's worth hearing to the end, getting downright beautiful to me as it comes to a close. But brief summary: "The power to live a meaningful life resides in each of us." And, "However vast the darkness, we must supply our own light." Or put in comic form:

Furthermore, blind karma can be changed even by individuals. Example

posted May 07, 2016 09:30 PM            

There are some situations where a person is really kind by nature, and they haven't done anything wrong to anyone, and then all these bad things fall on them at once, making you think "Whoa man! Why them?", but you never know what happens behind closed doors, and whatever bad act was performed on them, doesn't mean it won't be unanswered later on down the track, even if it's decades down the track and performed by someone other than the recipient of this bad act.

posted May 07, 2016 11:39 PM            

"But as for me, most of my volunteer actions and charity is BECAUSE I believe life is unjust and unfair, and that it's up to people to make the changes, because divine or universal forces won't do it for us. "

posted May 08, 2016 01:36 AM            

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Originally posted by mztiny:
So I have grown up to believe (and still do) that "what comes around goes around" but time and time again I am shown that good people get "sh**" on and bad people get everything they want.

Ex: a man I know (who I know from all his charts and other spiritual guides telling me and confirming...can't love (nessus square venus) many hard aspects to Jupiter etc etc. He doesn't know how to love.. YET, he has received an ABUNDANCE of love...beautiful loving wife, beautiful home, money, career, friends, family and beautiful children.

Ugh I just don't get it...

I know there isn't an answer at least not one we will receive until our time is over in this lifetime.

I just wanted to see what you all enlightened people believe?

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I'm not proud to admit this, but back in high school I was a total dick. Then in my twenties, I went through ten years of really bad karma.

When the dark cloud lifted, I promised God I would be a better person. And since then I haven't suffered as much.

I have Saturn in the 10th house, in Capricorn. Plus three aspects to Saturn, four if you include Chiron. So yeah, I suffer In THIS LIFETIME, if I don't keep my nose clean.

posted May 08, 2016 02:42 AM            

I believe in Jesus. I believe that Grace breaks Karma, that Grace and truth are greater than the Law and the truth sets you free. I believe that which is done in love is accounted as such, and that Heavenly Father will remember my sins no more, because he said so.

I believe the saying that being angry at another is like drinking poison hoping the other will die. That forgiveness of another isn't some noble self sacrificing act, but imperative for the one doing the forgiving for their own well being. Who needs all that extra baggage?

I believe that my soul is eternal, and therefore I was somewhere before I was born here and someday I will be elsewhere. I believe I knew my parents and my daughter before I was born, and we planned to be together here. That I received gifts for this lifetime, and challenges I chose to face. I believe that if Karma reaches across lifetimes, it is this, and not some random punishment for acts committed in a lifetime not remembered. Even courts of law here and now can not punish one who has not the capability to remember or understand the crime he is accused of.

posted May 08, 2016 10:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Looks can be deceiving, what goes on behind closed doors may be very different than how it appears from the outside.
I knew a surgeon once, beautiful family, wife, home, cars looked like he had it all...but he couldn't love either. He constantly cheated on her. She in turn treated him like a child but they appeared so happy to everyone else.
Nobody knew he was addicted to Heroine that he stole from the hospital for many years, she knew but refused to acknowledge it, she just ignoted his addiction. Until they medical board finally found out and took his license. She was completely humiliated, but didn't care one bit about helping him recover, she only cared about the loss of "her" money.
She stayed with him, although they hated each other, he went to rehab and eventually got his license back. She continued hating him but had another baby with him and spending his money. Eventually he divorced her, after too many affairs to count...he went back to drugs, overdosed and died. Most of this was a shock to the community, except for the drugs and rehab..but then he had a happy comeback story, according to evrryone else.....they kept most of it a secret until his death.

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posted May 08, 2016 11:31 AM            

In my mind, rising above impetus, acting as a purified & egoless consciousness, engaging in full awareness with the present...that is temporarily rising above the Grand Weave of karma, not existing as a strand of light but more like a small luminary from above. Or, in a quantum physics way, it's a kind of bi-location. Anyway when we disengage from the karma net we can energize it from a higher vibration.

I think.

posted May 08, 2016 05:29 PM            

I don't wish harm on anyone or anything, but I do choose to believe that we get out of this world what we put into it. If a person chooses to inject hatred, greed, and pain into their surroundings, I do think there's repercussions for that, on a level that has nothing whatsoever to do with revenge or retribution. I mean, it just makes sense that if you're treating people poorly, that your relationships, and all of the "good" things in your life will eventually suffer. There has to be positivity and good intent for good things to happen - not always of course, but it certainly helps. And if there's not, the effects are eventually going to show. Maybe not tomorrow, or two years from now, and maybe not in the way that you'd expect, but eventually these things come home to roost, so to speak.

Just my two cents!

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
I believe in science. Every action has a reaction. Nature abhors a vacuum. Power flows from potential to use, to ground. Energy can not be created nor destroyed, only transformed. Entropy always wins in the end. I believe these laws are every bit as applicable to human interactions as to physics. Because of this, I believe that actions carry consequences, even if sometimes the cause and effect seem unrelated. So, yes. What goes around, comes around. Like a boomerang, but not always from where you expect.

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This was kind of what I was trying to say. Every action has a reaction!

I guess I could have listed my "karma" aspects, lol. Saturn Rx in Capricorn/12th house, NN in Aquarius/12th house. It explains my very detached point of view.

posted May 08, 2016 05:36 PM            

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YOFFE: Absolutely. I think our current idea of forgiveness is that it's some kind of healing balm for the person who forgives - you will feel better because you forgive. And there's no obligation on the other person's part. At best, forgiveness is a two-way street, and I just don't think people should be told, you're stuck at the worst point in your life if you don't forgive.

MARTIN: Dr. Friedman, do you have any thoughts about this, too? And I think maybe we are entering into theological territory here as well as psychological territory.

FRIEDMAN: (LAUGHTER)

MARTIN: It seems that people are told that they're not allowed to expect anything...

FRIEDMAN: Right...

MARTIN: ... from the other person so...

FRIEDMAN: Right. Well, I think that Emily is exactly right. I mean, the whole concept of forgiveness, it seems to me, is based on the idea that somebody who's done something wrong to you acknowledges that and says, I'm sorry, and gives you an explanation - I was going through a terrible time; I didn't know myself; I was wicked back then; I was using drugs back then. I was irredeemably bad. I want another chance.

But before you can forgive somebody, there has to be an acknowledgement of transgression. They have to be able to say to you, you know what? I really screwed up. I did a terrible thing, and I'm so sorry. I don't even know how I can repair it. I mean, at least that's a starting point. But to ask somebody who is the victim of abuse to simply give a carte blanche forgiveness, is a psychologically meaningless and potentially, really harmful task to set them.

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posted May 08, 2016 06:47 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
^^ Not quoting, but that isn't what happened to me. I did my best in relationships, and I still don't know why something happened. So now one of my most important relationships is gone, and another is fractured.

A few people started to treat me nicely again last year, but I haven't been able to forgive them for letting the abusive one get away with everything. And she has.

I'll probably edit this later.

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I don't believe in forgiving absolutely everything and everyone. I do believe that forgiveness may help someone let go of venomous feelings towards someone, but a lot of people can live fine without forgiving someone.

posted May 08, 2016 06:52 PM            

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Originally posted by missblyss:

Wow I know such a similar story, I am almost wondering if it is the same person, which state are you in?

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posted May 08, 2016 06:54 PM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
Yes!!
It can go the other way also. I found out that I was thought of as controlling and jealous by people on the outside. I'm presuming because of my Pluto/asc and maybe my private 12th. Mars just on the other side of my as. I'm not sure. I was shocked though.

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posted May 08, 2016 07:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
I don't believe in forgiving absolutely everything and everyone. I do believe that forgiveness may help someone let go of venomous feelings towards someone, but a lot of people can live fine without forgiving someone.

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That's right. I know one person who treated me extremely poorly and while I've moved on and have found peace with the situation, I most certainly do not forgive and I don't think I ever will. I remember talking to a friend about it and he said "you should really forgive him, you can't go on hating him for the rest of your life and it was a few years ago." I said "What's there to forgive when he's never asked for my forgiveness or ever made an effort to right his wrong, or even admitted he was wrong?" that's like giving a child who hasn't learned their lesson candy, and will that REALLY teach the child anything? No it'll just further enable the behaviour. It isn't affecting my life, I'm perfectly fine, I just don't think the person deserves forgiveness simply because he hasn't done anything to earn it, and if he doesn't think my forgiveness is valuable enough to ask for it then who am I to give it to him? It does have to be a two-way street and, it may be noble to forgive, but there has to be some effort from the other party too. Nothing in life comes for free.

posted May 08, 2016 10:28 PM            

Sometimes we get the role of the sick and the injured or the ones who got killed and sometimes we are the ones who survived but have to watch others suffer and get hurt and wonder why God let that happen to them. Maybe we wonder what they did that led to that being their karma....
Sometimes we are the rich and entitled, sometimes the poor and humble. In the end of our human journey we will have played every role there is to play, weve been the sadistic killer all the way to the the purest of the pure sacrificing our life for others.
Why? To learn what life feels like from all perspectives.
Sometimes, your the murderer, sometimes your the victim...life isnt about karma, life is about learning and growing from everything we possibly can while were in ALL these different human incarnations.
Did you think you were here for fun?? Does life seem fun? Not really...its more like one stressful event after another while your trying to catch a few moments of joy inbetween to make it feel happy.
The point to it all is your growing...and growing hurts! Thats just the way it is.
But your going somewhere....somewhere very special and this world and the growth it provides is the only way to get there, its the way that prepares you for that place so take comfort in knowing all this pain is far from in vain, it will be worth it in the end.
So really what does karma have to do with it? We are above karma, because we are above this one incarnation...we are all these incarnations. If you look at only this one incarnation then yes, karma can have you by the balls...but step outside of that and see beyond this lifetime and youll see beyond karma. You have power over it, your soul and higher selfs life path is bigger than karma.
If you want to stop karma, stop thinking in terms of this incarnation as your whole life, and start thinking of this incarnation as day in the life of your souls life...stop looking at ppl as competition to compare yourself to but as your partners in a very long endurance race...even if at the moment they meet n pass you by they look well fed and in good spirits that doesn't mean their path is any easier. Maybe they are just having a good day in their souls life...
Im pretty sure our higher selves will give a life path that is easier, like a life that is less challenging, after a particularly brutal incarnation. If the person worked hard and didnt give up, learned what they needed to learn and moved forward...maybe its a reward for good work?

I dont notice ppls status to much anymore because i know, its where they are during this life...who knows, i might have been there in my last life and probably dont want to go back. Or i might be going there in my next to learn what they are learning...
I know that there are hard lesson with every position ppl are in, there is NO easy lives on Earth, it doesn't exist.
Maybe it appears that way...but the point of life is to grow. The only thing that causes growth is stretching what you know into a new understanding and that means breaking yourself down and rebuilding. Thats what life does to us, ALL of us...none of us get a free pass. Just because you cant see how they are being broken doesn't mean it isn't happening.
Just know, the purpose of life is growth...thats our karmic debt as humanity...so everyone is hurting just as much as everyone else, even if you cant see it.

Well, thats my philosophy...
Karma(in12th) conjunct AC 1.5 degree
Karma conjunct Pluto 4.5 degree
Karma sextile Saturn 2.5 degree
Karma sextile Sun 1 degree
Karma sextile Mercury 2 degree
Karma sextile Neptune 4.5 degree
Saturn trine Sun 1.5 degree
Saturn trine Mercury 0 degree