posted May 08, 2016 10:46 PM            

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Originally posted by bonsai:
That's right. I know one person who treated me extremely poorly and while I've moved on and have found peace with the situation, I most certainly do not forgive and I don't think I ever will. I remember talking to a friend about it and he said "you should really forgive him, you can't go on hating him for the rest of your life and it was a few years ago." I said "What's there to forgive when he's never asked for my forgiveness or ever made an effort to right his wrong, or even admitted he was wrong?" that's like giving a child who hasn't learned their lesson candy, and will that REALLY teach the child anything? No it'll just further enable the behaviour. It isn't affecting my life, I'm perfectly fine, I just don't think the person deserves forgiveness simply because he hasn't done anything to earn it, and if he doesn't think my forgiveness is valuable enough to ask for it then who am I to give it to him? It does have to be a two-way street and, it may be noble to forgive, but there has to be some effort from the other party too. Nothing in life comes for free.

Sometimes not forgiving is not a bad thing. Withholding forgiveness from a person teaches them that they shouldn't think they can go through life screwing others over and expecting free forgiveness from them. They have to stop and think twice. Not being forgiven is itself karma.

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posted May 09, 2016 01:16 AM            

I don't think it's as straight-forward as a person being good or bad. One very common misconception is that you only need to treat others right, with kindness and love. But imo you also need to treat yourself with just as much kindness and love.
Sometimes people who are kind hearted also behave in self-damaging ways, or forget about themselves all together - which then affects their life experience in a negative way. This is also a kind of karma...

posted May 09, 2016 01:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
One very common misconception is that you only need to treat others right, with kindness and love. But imo you also need to treat yourself with just as much kindness and love.
Sometimes people who are kind hearted also behave in self-damaging ways, or forget about themselves all together - which then affects their life experience in a negative way. This is also a kind of karma...

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Good point!

posted May 09, 2016 07:43 AM            

Karma has always been a blurry subject for me even though it's deeply fascinating. I can't seem to grasp the way Karma works. It seems like I'm often at the bad end of karmic debts (my Karma IS located in my 7th house natally), but any time I try to improve or turn things around, it rarely does. Is this karma?

This is a great post. Could we bring in asteroid Karma?

posted May 09, 2016 10:24 AM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
I don't think it's as straight-forward as a person being good or bad. One very common misconception is that you only need to treat others right, with kindness and love. But imo you also need to treat yourself with just as much kindness and love.
Sometimes people who are kind hearted also behave in self-damaging ways, or forget about themselves all together - which then affects their life experience in a negative way. This is also a kind of karma...

Good point!

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AGREED!

This thread makes me so happy....thank you all for your input, I am learning SO MUCH!

posted May 09, 2016 06:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
I see karma as a manifestation of one's own positive or negative thoughts. I don't think it's about the actions that we take, as much as the intent behind them.
I see it as an energetic thing... in the sense that positive energy attracts more positivity to one's life and negative energy likewise perpetuates itself.

I don't think it's as straight-forward as a person being good or bad. One very common misconception is that you only need to treat others right, with kindness and love. But imo you also need to treat yourself with just as much kindness and love.
Sometimes people who are kind hearted also behave in self-damaging ways, or forget about themselves all together - which then affects their life experience in a negative way. This is also a kind of karma...

But karma can always change... because we can all choose to better ourselves. It's not such a "fixed" thing. At least that's not how I see it.

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posted May 09, 2016 10:16 PM            

Karma can only be understood as a dynamic that transcends the book ends of life and death in the material plane. Our consciousness puts in a bookmark and we pick up spiritually where we left off next time around.

Karma is no guarantee that 'good' people will get the rewards and 'bad' actors will be punished. Karma is individual. It means action and implies our own personal reaping and sowing.

The original example you cited is someone else's life which we can never understand completely from the outside. Our life lessons, and karma, are an inside job.

posted May 10, 2016 03:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
mztiny,

Karma can only be understood as a dynamic that transcends the book ends of life and death in the material plane. Our consciousness puts in a bookmark and we pick up spiritually where we left off next time around.

Karma is no guarantee that 'good' people will get the rewards and 'bad' actors will be punished. Karma is individual. It means [b]action and implies our own personal reaping and sowing.

The original example you cited is someone else's life which we can never understand completely from the outside. Our life lessons, and karma, are an inside job.

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posted May 10, 2016 06:16 PM            

I was born a 29...
as linda said in her book: The 29 is a number of perhaps the heaviest Karma of all.

everything she said about the meaning of this number is true for me, unfortunately. this is so scary

Hi to everyone by the way, I'm new here!

posted May 11, 2016 12:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Moon29:
Karma is real!

I was born a 29...
as linda said in her book: The 29 is a number of perhaps the heaviest Karma of all.

everything she said about the meaning of this number is true for me, unfortunately. this is so scary

Hi to everyone by the way, I'm new here!

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Hi, Moon29!

posted May 11, 2016 12:56 PM            

I used to believe karma and now I just realized that our actions are only justified by society today
The feeling behind the action is what gets spread around
The action might not be good or bad because that changes with time

Personally
Factually
According to society today
I'm #winning and proud

But deep down
I'm still winning

posted May 11, 2016 01:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Desiring Shadows:
I was born on the 29th

I used to believe karma and now I just realized that our actions are only justified by society today
The feeling behind the action is what gets spread around
The action might not be good or bad because that changes with time

Personally
Factually
According to society today
I'm #winning and proud

But deep down
I'm still winning

XD

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posted May 11, 2016 03:08 PM            

Four yugas

There are four Yugas in one cycle:

Satya Yuga, a time of truth and righteousness;
Treta Yuga
Dwapara Yuga
Kali Yuga,

Characteristics of each Yuga
Satya Yuga: The first and best Yuga. It is the age of truth and perfection. Caste system is very flexible. Brahmanas are capable of achieving miracles by mere fiat of will. Kshatriyas are endowed with superhuman physical prowess. Humans are gigantic, powerfully built, handsome, honest, youthful, vigorous, erudite and virtuous. The Vedas are one. There is no agriculture nor mining as the earth yields those riches on its own. Weather is pleasant and everyone is happy. There is no religious sect. In the earlier part of the Yuga, all humans were Brahmanas and lived as siblings. There was no disease, decreptitude or fear of anything. There was no music, song, dance, buying or selling. There was no caste system. No animals were slain in sacrifices. There was no city, town or nation. In the later part of the Yuga, civilization is established and the Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas and Shudras perform their duties well. Human lifespan is 100,000 years and humans tend to have hundreds or thousands of sons or daughters. People must perform penances for thousands of years to acquire Samadhi and die.

Treta Yuga: Treta means third. In this age, virtue diminishes slightly. At the beginning of the age, many emperors rise to dominance and conquer the world. Wars become frequent and weather begins to change to extremeties. Oceans and deserts are formed. Majority Brahmanas become slightly less powerful. People are divided into various cultures and people of mixed classes are born. People become slightly diminished compared to their predecessors. Agriculture, labour and mining become existent. Significant people born in this age include Rama, Lakshmana, Hanuman, Dasharatha, Raghu, Aja etc. Average age of humans is around 1000-10,000.
Dwapara Yuga: Dwapara means second. In this age, people become tainted with Tamasic qualities and aren't as strong as their ancestors. Diseases become rampant. Humans are discontent and fight each other. Vedas are divided into four parts. People still possess characteristics of youth in old age. Significant people born in this age are Krishna, Balarama, the Pandavas, the Kauravas, Shantanu, Bhishma, Drona, Karna, Draupadi and Abhimanyu. Average age is around a few centuries.

Kali Yuga: The final age. It is the age of darkness and ignorance. People become sinners and lack virtue. They become slaves to their passions and are barely as powerful as their earliest ancestors in the Satya Yuga. Society falls into disuse and people become liars and hypocrites. Knowledge is lost and scriptures are diminished. Humans eat forbidden and dirty food and engage in unrestrained sinful sexual practices. The environment is polluted, water and food become scarce. Wealth is heavily diminished. Brahmanas become ignorant, Kshatriyas become weak, Vaishyas employ questionable business tactics and Shudras treacherously acquire power. Families become non existent. Average age of people is barely 100 years though by the end of the Yuga, it will be up to 20 years.

Decline

The ages see a gradual decline of dharma, wisdom, knowledge, intellectual capability, life span, emotional and physical strength.

Satya Yuga:- Virtue reigns supreme. Human stature was 21 cubits. Average human lifespan was 100,000 years.
Treta Yuga: – There was 3 quarter virtue & 1 quarter sin. Normal human stature was 14 cubits. Average human lifespan was 10,000 years.
Dwapara Yuga: – There was 1 half virtue & 1 half sin. Normal human stature was 7 cubits. Average human lifespan was 1,000 years.
Kali Yuga: – There is 1 quarter virtue & 3 quarter sin. Normal human stature is 3.5 cubits. Average human lifespan will be 100 years.
In the present days we may be said to live in a Kali Yuga, which is said to have started in 3102 BCE[1] with the end of the Mahabharata war. This date is also considered by many Hindus to be the day that Krishna left Earth

the Brahmins: priests, scholars and teachers

the Kshatriyas: rulers, warriors and administrators.

the Vaishyas: cattle herders, agriculturists, artisans and merchants.the real meaning is prostitutes.