posted May 15, 2016 05:22 PM            

True Lilith conjunct sun.
Asteroid Lilith in the 1st house.
Dark moon Lilith trine moon.
BML in the 11th house.

Eris in the 3rd house, conjunct moon, square venus.

I troll. I do little annoying things, imitate, exaggerate, use double entendres, pretend to misunderstand the other person, make jokes and avoid giving serious answers, lead them round'n'round...etc...

People who are close to me accept it as a "part of the package". Something that was in the contract when they signed up to be with me and effectively signed over their souls. They know that it happens when I'm in a good mood and happy, and I know the limits, so while they can get riled up (it's 50-50, often they like it), they kinda just go "Grrr" or "GRRRRR" but don't get really angry.

For example, sometimes when the trolling mood strikes, I'll flop around my s.o, dance behind him flapping my arms, roll along the wall, hide in the wardrobe and poke at him with a stick... It'll go on until he says something, at that point I'll laugh and usually stop.

Last night he pinched my ear and said that I had to "stop behaving like a degenerate." ROFL.

I can see myself still doing crp like this when I'm in my old age.

posted May 15, 2016 09:03 PM            

I hide from my husband as he's walking through the door from work, or from our son, and then from wherever I'm hiding I make weird, random noises as clues for them to find me. Lol.

Sometimes it's annoying to them, but usually it's just silly.

My husband does a lot of the stuff you're talking about, but yes it is good natured, and he stops before I actually get really mad (if he realizes that I'm seriously getting mad).

It's the sort of mean way of offending/making people honestly angry or upset that I'm sort of wondering about.

posted May 15, 2016 09:16 PM            

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
Trolling people can be fun. I enjoy that sometimes. With friends and loved ones, I know what make them tick so I push until they get mad and swat at me. There's a limit though. I annoy them, rile them up, but I don't make them go homicidal angry. And never hurt their dignity.

With people other than those, it's just light teasing, and I don't do it often, for obvious reasons.

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^^ This is me. 5H Venus Aries Square 8H BML with Mars Gemini opposite Uranus/Saturn conjunct. I imagine my Scorpio AC probably has something to do with it too.

I always joke that you'll know I like you if I physically harm you in some way or try to aggravate you to the point of being physically violent toward me. Never do it to someone who can't take it (they usually aren't people I consider close friends anyway) or to humiliate a person (Saturn I think helps to tone things down for me here). No malicious intent behind it - just like pushing buttons and seeing people get flustered. I absolutely love it if the other person can dish it back - that is quite fun for me.

posted May 15, 2016 09:58 PM            

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Originally posted by FmVenusWLove:
are not necessarily doing it out of fun as much as they are doing it out of spite or a sense of insecurity

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At first I thought such people might just lack tact, filter and have a weird sense of humor. Someone who isn't aware of how not funny their jokes are.

But reading Violets's posts, it seems that it is something worse. Like "I know it hurts/effs them up so I'll do just that" - it's not s.t ya do to loved ones imo, at least not when you're in your right mind. So I think I'll agree with you and Elysia on this one. It isn't something dumb/silly, it's more malicious.

Stubbornvirgo: lol yeah I was in stitches. It was s.t a virgo/cap person would say in such a situation. Classic.

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Originally posted by Violets:
minimally [annoying stuff

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posted May 16, 2016 12:49 AM            

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Originally posted by 12muddy:

Has anyone talked to your cousin about it?One day she may come across someone with a temper and it just might not end well.

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I believe that she's well aware of how obnoxious and offensive she is...she thinks it's funny.

Now...she has times when she's not the way that I'm describing, and her energy seems to be raised to a higher vibration.
She's a typical Leo, and is very family-oriented, and pretty protective of her family members.

However, I'm sort of seeing the pattern of a negative vs positive Leo (and possibly the Aries Moon) trait that manifests, depending on how she is doing at that time.

She does have Saturn square Asc, but I know plenty of people with that aspect who don't act the way that she does.

My mother in-law has Pluto and Mars in Leo in H8, and I can tell you they have a tiny bit of the same tendencies. My mother in-law is a Virgo Sun, so her digs are basically just that. She does enjoy making people feel spotlighted in a negative way, but it's more like the typical passive-aggressive needling thing.

I jokingly texted my good friend of twenty years this morning "I'm pretty sure I'm going to end up punching my cousin in the face one day..."

And her response was "Lol!! The only surprise is that you haven't yet!"

I'm joking of course, but yes...I think the inclination is there for many people. -__-

The funny thing is that both my cousin and my good friend are Leo Suns with Aqua Asc, and even my friend has her moments of putting people down in a "ha-ha, I'm just joking, you can't take a joke!" sort of way.

I'm starting to chalk it up to negative Leo traits that get combined with other placements (like Mars conjunct Sun and BML on the Dsc).

I think it's mainly moments of lower energy vibrations and insecurity that create this behavior, so I'll have to figure out how to deal with it from that perspective, I guess. Or better yet, how to shut her up. I serve it back to her when needed, but I don't like how worked up I get over it.

Hm.

posted May 16, 2016 01:05 AM            

(Edit. I suppose I should explain that my cousin is quite, uh...limited in her exposure to anything outside of the small town we grew up in.)

I then asked her if she had just fallen off the rube tree, and started saying things like "I ain't never heard of no such fandangled name like that", etc. "Joking" with her in return, I guess. I think I actually called her Peggy Hill.

Super mature, I know.

I really think it would be in my best interest to find a more productive way of dealing with her, lol.
But maybe this is what works best.

posted May 16, 2016 06:49 AM            

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Ugh. I don't get it either.

My guess is, they need this kind of behaviour to feel 'better' about themselves. (I'm thinking about people in my life who are like this). They seem to have an aggressive kind of insecurity. i.e. One can't be 'above' without pushing the other 'below', or the way to feel good is to put other people down and smirk when it hurts them.

A lot of times, the motivation is, "I'm so miserable about my life, why is XYZ so happy? Let's take him down a peg." Followed by a perverse kind of joy that they 'got to' that person.

They may/may not realize it makes them come off as jerks. In their mind, they're just asserting superiority, in a way.

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I'm so sorry they were this way at your son's birthday party. Why can't people at least spare each other on happy occasions.. !

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posted May 16, 2016 05:58 PM            

She's got plenty of Scorpio-Leo aspects (some would say her Gemini moon makes her creative as well), but I think it's because she was deprived of power and abused in youth, and she also dealt with a lot of contempt, so that this is her revenge and even way of keeping score with the world.

posted May 16, 2016 09:04 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
My mom can be this way. But then it's very rare for her to get invited by anyone to anyone's party for that reason.

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Yeah, she was initially supposed to have other plans that day, which I was SO thankful for. But it turned out that she had her dates mixed up. I invite her because it would be awkward not to.

posted May 16, 2016 09:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Selenite:
My dad used to literally sit there poking me during dinner just to get a rile out of me. He's an Aries Sun and Moon. His brother is like that too. (Cap Sun / Scorpio Moon), and used to tickle me as a kid until I was almost crying, and very mad. It's like they didn't understand that making me mad was affecting our relationship negatively.. They thought it was out of love or something but I saw it as a serious boundary issue. Hah

I don't know what it is. I guess people just like any attention they can get sometimes.. Lol

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Yeah, it is like that, with the family members I have who do stupid **** like this (side note: I did not know that replacing the "I" with an exclamation point would make the word get bleeped out like that...). Like they really do not understand that people flat-out dislike them because of their behavior, and no it's not funny.

I love them, they love me. But do I like them? Often the answer is no (although that's not always the case, to be fair).

posted May 17, 2016 10:12 AM            

This sounds like narcissism to me.

Some people on the internet say Leo is the most likely to be narcissistic. I saw another article where an astrologer discounted that theory and pegged Libra and Sag as the most narcissistic. I don't know.

In my experience I think Leo does have the most trouble with it.

Not that ALL Leos are narcissists! (Standard disclaimer.)

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Not meaning to "diagnose" anyone but these are standard symptoms of narcissism:

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People high on narcissistic tendencies see themselves as being more important than others and therefore deserving of better treatment, a quality called narcissistic entitlement.

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The belief that they’re better than everyone forms the core of narcissistic grandiosity, and these people often take advantage of others.

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They lack empathy, so they don’t realize the impact that their remarks or behaviors have on their targets.

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They pronounce judgments on people they perceive as inferior—which is almost everyone.

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posted May 17, 2016 04:26 PM            

My cousin is basically just a bit of an insecure @sshole, and my mom has other issues that aren't related to narcissism exclusively (but she has issues, alright).

My cousin was always known as the "mean pretty girl" in high school (thankfully we didn't go to school together, but we grew up in a small town so I knew these things, as she's older than I am).

No mental disorders or major trauma, just an @ss.

Honestly, I'm pretty narcissistic a lot of the time.
My empathy fluctuates quite a bit, and I am capable of saying very blunt, hurtful things to people without realizing how it makes them feel (and I sometimes don't really care, in all honesty).

And then again, I can have tremendous empathy and be very patient with people, depending on the circumstances and individual.

There have been times in my life when I've realized with horror how self-absorbed and unkind I've been with people, and I've had to go well out of my way to sincerely apologize for it. It just doesn't always occur to me on a deeper level. When it does though, it hits like a ton of bricks.

posted May 17, 2016 04:46 PM            

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Originally posted by stillatlarge:
Leo hasn't a thing to do with it. It's the Aries moon. They're all like that.

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I'm wondering if it's a combination of a few things, including Leo placements as well as Aries Moons.

One of my brothers has the Aries Moon, and he can be deliberately antagonistic just to irritate people. He's a Pisces Sun with Gemini Asc.

But my step-mom also has Aries Moon, and she is not that way at all. However, she has a sensitive Cancer Sun and polite Libra Asc. She would never behave that way.

Maybe it's just the combination of placements, along with house placements and possibly asteroids...and of course, being influenced by the less evolved energies of those signs/placements, rather than the higher levels?

posted May 17, 2016 05:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
Eh... I don't believe that anyone in my family suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder (I've never even seen anyone seriously diagnosed with that, to be honest...although I don't mean to discount the idea that there are people who are legitimately narcissistic to the point of a diagnosis).

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I understand.

posted May 17, 2016 07:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I understand.

I wasn't talking about a formal diagnosis.
It's more like a spectrum, according to what I've read...and insulting others just for kicks is considered a narcissistic personality trait. (Not my choice, that's just what the psychologists say.)

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I can see that, yes. Mercury Rx again, for the win! -__-

Yeah, she might have some of those characteristics.

She actually just went out of her way to call me, to tell me about how her daughter made another joke about it. Wtf?

I got the impression that she was trying really hard to convince me that it was somehow okay for her to act that way, that her daughter understood she was joking, and that somehow I should think it was funny in the end.

I just sat in silence on the other end of the line for a second, and was like "I think I just don't get your sense of humor".

I think it actually hurt her feelings, which I also find bizarre.

So yeah, you're probably onto something with the narcissistic tendencies (now that I understand what you were saying...yeesh, these planets).

posted May 17, 2016 08:41 PM            

I think it's nice you picked up the phone, invited her over, and all that.

I don't like labels like "narcissist," but there are self-help articles and videos on how to deal with people who are really insulting, self-absorbed, haughty (narcissists, in other words) and I find their advice helpful.

ETA: I think everyone can be like that sometimes, but there are extremes.