posted June 25, 2016 08:36 AM              

I shouldn`t have mentioned it to begin with and in fact will edit it out.

posted June 25, 2016 08:40 AM            

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
i dont need to see any chart to know it is not going to happen..

this is just bla bla bla since the big fuzz around it started some years ago...

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you should have looked at the chart,stars tell it all

jk

I dont know what to think of Brexit - i guess Britain dosent really need EU - they are linked well in EU buisness they can only lose cheep Euro workforce - but i guess they can make laws that would make that stay? Either way,dont know how good EU is for rich countries,all i know i pray my country NEVER GETS ACCEPTED TO EU - i dont see why should we have to be in some kind of union just so we would be able to trade our goods with our European neigbors like decent human beings. All i know sence we started fullfiling all that EU requested from us so we would become memmbers,we have lost thousands of our factories and people lost jobs in mass,so if we get in i guess Europe would have to count on people going to work there - that would not be liked by their own people - Europe messes a lot with poor Euro countries ,gives them credits they KNOW country cant give back,so basically poor Euro countries become financial slaves of rich ones - i guess Brits wanted out before all because of immigrational threat that really is taking its tool on them in cultural and political way,but maybe there is more behind it .

posted June 25, 2016 08:50 AM            

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Originally posted by VirgoPILL:
for instance who? and how would you re-model europe?

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posted June 25, 2016 09:04 AM              

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Originally posted by Hemilla:
I supose she means - kick out those poor countries,and make EU rich mans playground

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posted June 25, 2016 09:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
No, it`s not what I meant.
And don`t assume or suppose you know what I am thinking when I am not telling.

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ease up girls

i get both sides. i get when we got into the union we had the same fears what hemilla wrote and i get what you wrote too, ceridwen. at the end it all comes down to business interests and global political interests which we have little to nothing to do with unfortunately
like if we switch to euro the whole country would gfo bankrupt bc simply the wages and currency don't match etc.

in my country too one day the prime minister says we must quit EU the next the UK should vote for stay. totally crazy making, gas-lighting us.

what i know and experienced -
1st take care of your own citizens - yielding generations of social spongers in the uk??? but immigrants are working their ass of to provide the money for them? i got the classic 'go home' stick but i shouted back - i pay for your benefits so... jupiter here or what?

2nd lived, worked in the UK, paid everything there but never got any help, or benefits although people from other continents got flats, money and everything they wanted which i paid for from my wages while if i went to my gp in london he never provided and my rent skyrocketed taking advatage of us pooere folks trying to make a living?

maybe i'm very naive about this subject but i'd say first take care of your people, then union people and then give out gifts like Scrooge McDuck from duck tales to everybody without any supervising... :/

so all in all i'm dissapointed that UK wants to leave but i get why they want out. though times again, indeed (((

posted June 25, 2016 05:06 PM            

I love the EU and still vibrantly beleive in it. Although I lived 5 years in britain, and found my destiny/role in life/spirituality/... Purpose .... You name it .... In LONDON 🇬🇧❤️ (Thank you) ... I believe the EU will grow.

posted June 25, 2016 05:37 PM              

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Originally posted by pire:
[B]The EU was originally created between 6 countries that had suffered 2 world wars on their soil. That is all. To not repeat history. Period. Then business is on top of it. But let's not forget the Basics. PEACE.

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posted June 25, 2016 06:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
No, it`s not what I meant.
And don`t assume or suppose you know what I am thinking when I am not telling.

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posted June 26, 2016 05:12 AM              

For the record: my opinion is closest to what Pire wrote.

Also, of course I would Not want to throw anyone out, but I don't understand how governments are being courted or accepted / tolerated (I am lacking the right Word here), which are hardly democratic and while I could accept that , what I cannot approve of at all is if they Do not even respect basic human rights of their citizens.
That is what I meant.
And yes I understand it is a Hard Task to ensure peace and compromises need to be made, but I just wonder when will it be too much compro.ise?

posted June 26, 2016 07:47 AM            

But nothing I can do to change that.

Having said that, now Britain has chosen to leave the EU. A bit like in a couple, what do we do after a break up ? Shall we beg for them to come back ? Or move on and get back to basics ?

I rather choose the second option and try to avoid repeating the same scenario with other EU countries. Because if a vote was happening in my country, the result could very well be the same as in the UK.

To avoid the desintegration of the EU that eurosceptics from all countries want to see, we need to go back to basics... Why did Germany, France, Italy, Netherland, Belgium and luxembourg first started it within themselves ?

For peace reason

Now it has spread way too much, essentially under the desire of the UK when it was inside the EU.
I am not for a technocratic EU as it is now,like many who vote to leave, but I want my country to keep working within the EU and garanty peace for my country, a possibilty to travel and live abroad, study, work, be treated when ill... In other countries.

posted June 26, 2016 10:57 AM              

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posted June 26, 2016 02:04 PM              

Didn't mean to offend anyone..

Was just meant to represent the distancing and lack of unity.

posted June 26, 2016 05:12 PM            

I object to any scapegoating of immigrants as in my above post but I also object to scapegoating of the U.K. poor too. That's a Tory party line, the kind used to justify austerity - the same party that tried to intimate austerity was related to immigration, when it served them.

posted June 26, 2016 07:48 PM            

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Originally posted by pire:
The EU was originally created between 6 countries that had suffered 2 world wars on their soil. That is all. To not repeat history. Period. Then business is on top of it. But let's not forget the Basics. PEACE.
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Exactly, Europeans have been fighting with each other for 100's of years so that's given more then enough time to settle there differences.

The only fighting that takes place is on the Soccer Field.

One of the reasons to continue Euro is the mistrust of Russia and to form some kind of union to defend against Russia, Russia is the big bad wolf of Europe.

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posted June 27, 2016 03:32 AM              

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Originally posted by Randall:
That pic was not complimentary to the Brits.

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Well then why do you want me to put it back up?

Coz "not complimentary to the Brits" is absolutely not how I meant it. I'm very attached to Britain myself, have studied in British schools too. It hurts that someone should have that interpretation. I know it's open to interpretation, but I'd rather not have people comment on it thinking that's all there is to my opinion on the country itself.
That's reductio ad abdsurdum.

It wasn't made by me. I couldn't even begin to represent all that Britain is in one symbol. Do those baked beans show the glory of the vast untouched moors? The damp freshness of a London morning? The beauty of the buildings against an overcast skyline? The richness of their literature? All their many many wonderful football teams and hundreds of other contributions to the world?
No. And they're not even meant to.

Nothing can hope to capture the essence of something or someone in its entirety. Would not want to encourage such literal takes on what I put up.

posted June 27, 2016 01:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
The UK was paying billions of taxpayer money that went to other countries that paid nothing (like Greece). The UK is still in a recession, so it made no sense to continue doing so. Aside from the economic reasons and wanting to take back their autonomy, they didn't like having open borders.

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posted June 27, 2016 02:19 PM              

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Originally posted by Randall:
That pic is way off. The UK was paying billions of taxpayer money that went to other countries that paid nothing (like Greece). The UK is still in a recession, so it made no sense to continue doing so. Aside from the economic reasons and wanting to take back their autonomy, they didn't like having open borders.

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