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yungang_grotto
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posted May 24, 2016 09:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can we please see your chart, Queen Salome? And that of anybody else who has issues with internalized misogyny?

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posted May 24, 2016 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by cchampliss2:
It's somehow rooted in your brain that expressing feminine energy is seen to be regressive, submissive, and weak. You despise being seen as such. I'm not sure how your astrology plays into that but that's an influence of your society and/or upbringing.


I agree and I've felt this way too even though I'm a girl. It's because of society, and parental reinforcement of those negative associations with femininity. *shrug* It took me a really long time to embrace my femininity. The inherent difference between male and female does not make one of them better than the other -- I think because males tend to have more power in everyday situations, we are conditioned to see the difference between genders as a negative thing. (hence the push for absolute "equality" seen in neo-feminist ideologies)

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posted May 24, 2016 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Can we please see your chart, Queen Salome? And that of anybody else who has issues with internalized misogyny?

Realizing not many people don't have issues with this given the cultural atmosphere of misogyny... but it will affect some more than others... so I'm hoping to see some charts to try and see why and whether we can begin to address this question from an astrological standpoint...

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Queen Salome
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posted May 24, 2016 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Queen Salome     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Queen Salome, I don't see it as astrological. Furthermore, I don't consider growing cultures to automatically be better. The more prosperous and enviable places on earth tend to have low birth rates and a much more pleasant life, though it can breed softness (but not necessarily so) that leave them more vulnerable to the more aggressive (and sometimes envious) in the long run (who in turn become more prosperous and then it's their turn to enjoy the fruits of what they've plundered and taken over, get soft, and fall to others).

Granted, I don't see how anyone who studies history can honestly believe that the "meek will inherit the earth." (Unless in the gallows humor way.)

BBS with more.


Countries that have high levels of women's right are too permissive towards people coming from misogynist cultures, resulting in women no longer being safe. There are many examples from Sweden. Well, you admitted that often more agressive culture wins, and I'm afraid this is going to happen with Western World and its women's rights.

PixieJane&Hemilla- I'm aware of such things, in fact there are many other women to add on this list. I would also like to point to Ancient Nubia, Ancient Egypt and Minoan civilization as important ancient civilizations where women enjoyed very high status (although they were not 100% equal to men).

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posted May 24, 2016 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Queen Salome     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted May 24, 2016 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus2tinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted May 24, 2016 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus2tinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyway, Queen, the way some people treat women is like racism and I make those things (so they don't overtake me and make me unbearably angry) a nothing, a vice, a disease of the heart. They wreak havoc and inspire atrocities, so we fight them and "kill" them (the ideas, and the works and deeds of such). You don't let them make you question yourself or feel uncomfortable. Like I said, be yourself, fight back, and be honorable. I think you'll be satisfied and proud of yourself.

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posted May 24, 2016 03:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hemilia, thanks for adding to my list!

And it wasn't just Scythians, but also Sarmatians (though they're so similar that I often confuse them).

As for modern times, I wanted to throw this into the cauldron, China's elite female bodyguards:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0o7lajjzBg

And women's roles in Sparta was one of the inspirations of a galactic empire in a scifi I'm making, but that's another story.

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posted May 25, 2016 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yanmorg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I feel the same way.

My Sun and Venus are in Scorpio in my 6th ruled by Libra so you can probably guess I'm very critical and body conscious as it is, but adding that Libra overtone just makes it all in vain, haha. I am literally obsessed with my flaws which probably adds to my inferiority complex which in turn, is probably the cause of me NOT feeling like a woman. I have no breats like at all but a very nice shape so there's another insecurity. I feel so weird not having breasts. Almost as if I'm not fully a woman because I don't have them. Something feels missing. but unless I get a boob job, I'm stuck with this body. I want to be feminine, love myself, and feel adored and admired by men without it being UNCOMFORTABLE but there's so many issues in the way. It mostly comes from my flaws. I feel like since I have more flaws than the average female (a few I won't mention for fear of embarassment), I shouldn't act or I don't deserve to act like one and play that role.

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posted May 27, 2016 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Queen Salome     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Hemilia, thanks for adding to my list!

And it wasn't just Scythians, but also Sarmatians (though they're so similar that I often confuse them).

As for modern times, I wanted to throw this into the cauldron, China's elite female bodyguards:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0o7lajjzBg

And women's roles in Sparta was one of the inspirations of a galactic empire in a scifi I'm making, but that's another story.


Persian female army commanders (Pantea Arteshbod, Lieutenant Artunis, Grand Admiral Artemisia, Youtab Aryobarzan, Princess Aspas etc.) http://www.persepolis.nu/
Illyrian women (Queen Teuta)
Celtic women (Boudicca)
Joan of Arc
Queen Nzinga of Angola
Lyudmila Pavlichenko (WW2)
Kurdish women fighting ISIL right now

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Queen Salome
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posted May 27, 2016 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Queen Salome     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One of the worst things I dislike about being female is sexuality. Sex is much easier when you are man. I'm very paranoic about sex and afraid that men will just use me and leave me, while bragging to their friends. Actually, I'm afraid of men.

Also, I think that women are waaaaay too MUCH judged by their look, which is RIDICULOUS. I have brain and heart too, you know?

Astrologicaly, I think that Saturn squares to both ASC and its ruler made me very uncomfortable in my own body. Not just when it comes to sex, but generally speaking.

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posted May 27, 2016 08:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What I'm getting is that you don't like men, and feel that being a woman makes you vulnerable because you're weak and men are predatory.

Unfortunately, a lot of feminism (especially the middle to upper class kind, though not all of it--and an unfortunately necessary disclaimer is that there are many different types of feminism and I'm not talking about all of them, and furthermore not all women are feminists while some men, like Patrick Stewart, are, Patrick Stewart being a feminist I admire and not included by what I'm about to say) has changed from empowering women to promoting women as victims (they say if you're not one already then you will be, or even that you are but don't know it yet!), like it's all part of being female, and then the only tools they give to combat it are that of whining and fear. (Ironically, they display women as weak and passive, just like their opposites do, and interesting enough they sometimes ally themselves with their opposites to say oppose pornography in all forms and both with a very similar attitude toward women in doing so, save these certain misguided feminists also believe that women lack self-direction which is even more offensive to me than their allies who believe we use our self-direction in sinful ways.)

Though in our modern culture it seems EVERY demographic--including that who identify as men of the dominant race & religions--have factions wanting to play the victims, that is to equate being one of them as a victim inherent by their chosen identity, as if it means the world owes their faction something or at least justifies their being obnoxious to everyone outside their faction. Then again, one observed that you can have a mass movement without a god, but never without a devil. What really boggles me is just how TRIVIAL or ridiculous a lot of it becomes, even among some feminist factions, and also by those who feel victimized by feminists as well.

If you're hanging around those kinds, who tell you how evil men are (and I understand plenty in Sweden are that way), then I'd advise distancing yourself from them as they're not helping you (especially if you have placements that encourage you to accept the messages of those around you just by being with them), and not grounded in reality. Even worse, to paralyze you with fear and make you not believe in your own inner strength (as they teach you're destined to be a victim) makes you weak rather than empowered, and the people who do want to make you a victim (along with anyone else they find weak) will then find you more attractive as a victim rather than less attractive as one.

Of course the men (and women) who are jerks (and worse) exist, but that shouldn't paralyze you anymore than rude (and even potentially violent) customers in retail and service industries causes them to think the world is an evil, hostile place. Furthermore, the news focuses on the negative because it's clickbait and they can sell more so that they can charge more for advertisers, but for every plane that crashes (or even mass rape) that happens, the majority are not so tragic, and that means the media (even when it's not trying to) is giving a skewed version of the world. (Those with strong Pisces influence should definitely limit their intake of the news, more so than others.)

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posted May 27, 2016 08:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And the point of showing women from other cultures is that it's not "feminine destiny" to be weak, passive victims of brutal men. That women strongly encouraged to be passive or even outright oppressed can still overcome that to defy the social programming is even stronger proof that you don't have to be a slave to the social software, that you can transcend the limits that men who hate women, and women who want to bond with you in fear and victimhood who essentially see themselves as misogynists see them (as inferior, to be treated like children). Women are not inferior and they have proven that they can hold important positions in society, even when life and death combat were part of that power. (Furthermore, if women were to embrace that part of themselves again then the misogynistic cultures would find a formidable foe in the women they seek to oppress.)

One of the feminists I like happens to also be a female boxer who has written a lot on female aggression and potential for violence (even sexually predatory behavior) that many would prefer didn't exist, and that by trivializing or dismissing women's capabilities for this has done more to disempower them than empower them (and also served to exacerbate the evil women do as they don't feel they're taken seriously unless it's over the top while at the same time making them feel they can't do much more than whine to improve their life):
http://www.amazon.com/Kill-Body-Head-Will-Fall/dp/044651960X

Of course, just as women can be aggressors, men can be nurturing, and many are. Many men and women can be both nurturing and aggressive depending on the situation. (I can also point out that males are often victims of male violence and even sexual abuse and exploitation, and I really dislike how many, men and women, treat it as a joke. RAINN does not, however. RAINN also has many male supporters.)

I should also point out that I've been to multiple workshops to teach women self-defense, and many of them are taught by men (who are sympathetic, and angry that women are targeted, and many of them have sisters, daughters, and other women they love, of course). I also went to one that was run by feminists who only allowed women to attend, and they failed to impress (at one point I mocked something they said with the sentiment that I'm glad this course was free, causing many others attending to laugh).

And not just them, plenty of can do women like Amelia Earhart saw challenges to be overcome and didn't let the standards of her time stop her, and to my knowledge she never had to risk her safety (no more than a man did for doing the same things), she just had the strength of will to not let others stop her. And as civil rights activist Maya Angelou once said, "I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a ***** . You've got to go out and kick ass." (I do think she was meaning metaphorically, but a female can literally as well.)

Not every woman--and not every man--is cut out to be someone who fights back, but plenty are and even those who can't can still be alert and use their brains to not be a victim. I can fight back, but even I sometimes get those I trust, including men, to back me up. Men also seek backup at times, as well, so that doesn't make one weak, it makes one smart. (I've backed others up as well, including men. Back in high school I even caused chaos & confusion because I once came to the aid of a boy being bullied by other boys, but it seemed fair to me as those boys defended me from obnoxious males and at least spoke up in my defense against catty girls as well as calling guys liars who had lied about having sex with me.)

It's possible that you have placements that will make you feel victimized or threatened no matter what (that is, feeling victimized and doomed for being born female is just the way it manifests, and if you could overcome this then you'd instinctively seek another reason to feel doomed--all subconsciously, of course), in which case you probably need something that transcends any of this, and offhand I'm not sure what that is...but I do know that people who have been born with problems based on their chart have learned to overcome those problems and be the stronger for it. Even in this case, the placements can only doom you if you give up.

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posted May 27, 2016 09:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for diamondbaby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, generally speaking women get judged by the way they look, but men get judged by the amount of money they make. It's a two way street.

There are men that say "all women are gold diggers" and there are women that say "all men are sexist pigs". Neither of those things are true. I have found that in most cases people who think along those lines have a good amount insecurity and personal disappointment hidden deep in their unconscious. What they have to understand is that the opposite sex is not the "enemy". The energy you give off is the energy you attract.

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posted May 28, 2016 11:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for frankie2912     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love being a woman. Look at the power those fake a$$ and t!ts hold over everyone. We don't even have to try and we automatically hold power over men's weaknesses. It's funny to me..and fun.

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posted May 29, 2016 06:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Queen Salome     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can't stand disgusting fake t*** and a*** and have NO respect to those b**** and those who support them. Besides....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgVmCKlwS2U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKq6OONOOxI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2n3OCUST1Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwYL1BjKmHg

These things are HARMFUL to our girls!!!!!!!!

(WHY WE DON'T HAVE PUKE SMILEY?!??)

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posted May 29, 2016 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I first looked at this topic, you reminded me of my younger self.

Turns out your MC, Neptune and NN are conjunct my 15 Cap sun.

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Originally posted by Queen Salome:
One of the worst things I dislike about being female is sexuality. Sex is much easier when you are man. I'm very paranoic about sex and afraid that men will just use me and leave me, while bragging to their friends. Actually, I'm afraid of men.

Also, I think that women are waaaaay too MUCH judged by their look, which is RIDICULOUS. I have brain and heart too, you know?

Astrologicaly, I think that Saturn squares to both ASC and its ruler made me very uncomfortable in my own body. Not just when it comes to sex, but generally speaking.


Thing is, we have the power to look beyond society's constraints and appreciate who we are in a natural sense.

I feel like I am claiming feminine power by letting things be, not resisting everything so much, but riding the waves. The feminine principle is one of passivity, though that has a bad connotation in today's world. In truth, there is tremendous strength in being able to just take everything as it comes. That is the whole basis of Zen philosophy.

And that is honored in certain circles, and for the health of the planet we need to widen those circles.

If we all accepted each other more we wouldn't rely consumerism to impress each other via our belongings and "status symbols." It would all be unnecessary. Capitalism would yield to consciousness. The more we just accept each other for who we are...fake t!ts and all....and men included....the better off Gaea will be. And in a natural setting the quiet virtues are better understood and appreciated. If we gain momentum in that sense, then I think gender equilibrium would be restored, and we wouldn't even have the fakeness and extreme distortions anymore.

Sorry if that sounds preachy. Just my $0.02.

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posted May 29, 2016 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemilla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by frankie2912:
I love being a woman. Look at the power those fake a$$ and t!ts hold over everyone. We don't even have to try and we automatically hold power over men's weaknesses. It's funny to me..and fun.

That is true . No matter how powerfull a man is he can be seduced by a nice body in a second and that nice body could be his end in so many ways - women rarely swing that way

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posted May 29, 2016 06:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Queen Salome     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Faith - wonderfully said, but it won't happen in our lifetime.

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