posted June 02, 2016 02:21 PM            

My SN hemisphere is from SN Pisces to NN Virgo. My Moon, Mars, Venus, Sun, and Merc are in the SN hemisphere...

posted June 02, 2016 09:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
You might like this:
http://www.khaldea.com/rudhyar/astroarticles/moonnodesatbirth.php

It may not answer your question but provides a theoretical framework that may help you answer your own question.

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Transiting south node conjunct my moon.

I do not feel "the transformation of the actual mother-relationship into a transcendent psychic Image which becomes the channel for the stressful release of the psychic energy" today.

Maybe tomorrow...

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Sheesh. I finally completely understand this. I have to read and write in pieces because of my schedule..

posted June 02, 2016 10:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Thanks Just a little bit to show how scientific and precise all the timing can be.

1 Scorpio, mother's NN
1 Taurus, mother's Saturn-SN
1 Leo, mother's Pluto
0 Leo, my Saturn

20 Scorpio, my NN
21 Aqua, my draconic Pluto

(So we both have Pluto square Scorpio NN.)

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Wow. Pluto square Scorpio NN. What does that mean in your words? You also have Saturn conjunct Pluto in synastry. What does her Pluto do in her own chart?

You have the same North Node. Can you see it (in your live and what you know of your mother's life)?

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Her progressed Mars when I was born, @29 Capricorn, formed a grand cross with her nodes, Saturn, and Pluto. I don't have her birth time but her progressed moon was near that progressed Mars.

28 Cancer, my draconic moon
29 Capricorn, transiting NN when she died
29 Libra, her pr NN then
0 Aqua, my pr sun at that time

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I'm not skilled enough to see that ^ in my head

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Then, in progressions, she and I both had moon conjunct Pluto when she died. Wide orb for me...I don't know the orb for her but they are close.

If she was born later in the day, her draconic moon was in Pisces. And her draconic sun in Capricorn was exactly quincunx draconic Mars in Gemini. These are my tropical placements.

Suffice it to say my birth coincided with a turning point for her health because of an operation she had right after I was born, so it's not surprising we are linked this way, through Pluto especially.

May delete later, but I thought you might find it interesting.

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If she was born later in the day, her draconic moon was in Pisces. And her draconic sun in Capricorn was exactly quincunx draconic Mars in Gemini. These are my tropical placements.

What is a draconic chart used to determine Faith?

posted June 02, 2016 11:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
^^ Aw

I was concerned to read about the NN-moon conjunction, since my daughter has that.

Well it's really interesting about her. I have a Scorpio NN in my fourth house, trine 8H Pisces moon.

My daughter has an 8H Scorpio sun.

Her sun forms an exact water grand trine with my draconic moon in Cancer and her draconic moon in Pisces.

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I can actually go pretty far down the rabbit hole with this when I include my mother in the picture, but I don't want to overload the thread with data.

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My daughter also has NN conjunct moon, in her third house

posted June 03, 2016 09:25 AM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
Ok, so if I understand stand this correctly the NN hemisphere of my chart is from NN in Virgo to SN in Pisces. The planets falling in my NN hemi are outer planets Saturn, Pluto, Uranus, and Neptune.

My SN hemisphere is from SN Pisces to NN Virgo. My Moon, Mars, Venus, Sun, and Merc are in the SN hemisphere...

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North Node: Point of intake. Earth-nature is open to and receives the Moon's energies.

South node: Point of release. The results of the assimilation by the living earth-organism (or personality) of the Moon's energies are exteriorized, or (when negative)' are evacuated or repudiated.

Hemicycle beginning with north node: During this period, when the Moon has north latitude, her power is absorbed, then (especially around the point of maximum north latitude) assimilated by the personality. New faculties or powers are built.

Hemicycle beginning with south node: As the Moon moves in south latitude, earth-nature lets go of the results of the assimilation process (whether these be "seed" or "manure"); however, after the point of maximum south latitude is reached and the Moon moves again northward, the organism or personality becomes repolarized in expectation for a new period of intake.

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Indeed, all cycles of latitudes represent processes of metabolism, the assimilated products being the type of energy of which the planet whose nodes are being considered is the (symbolical) source or outlet. It must not be forgotten, however, that even in the most modern approach to the solar system the planets still represent agencies which differentiate the one basic energy radiated by the Sun. Lunar energy is therefore still, at root, the Sun's energy, a reflected and "lunarized" aspect of it. Planets are outlets of energies, rather than real sources. There is only one source of energy: the Sun.

The Moon's nodal axis has been considered an "axis of fate;" and much of personal fate indeed is a function of the personality's ability to adapt itself to the demands of life and society in its environment. Any factor in the total makeup of personality closely involved in the operations of this process of lunar adaptation is singled out by this involvement, which reacts thus upon the feelings, the moods, the psychic sense, the mental ability to "sense" situations and people — all derived from the basic lunar power of adjustment to the environment.
Thus, the manner in which the Moon's nodal axis is related in a birth-chart to the planets, to the horizon and meridian, and to any other natal factor or axis (the nodes of other planets, the Parts, etc.) is of the greatest significance. First of all, the Moon's nodes axis divides the natal chart into two hemispheres; and every natal factor acquires a general meaning by its position on one side or another of this nodal axis. The hemisphere which is located between the north node and the south node in the usual order of zodiacal signs (Aries, Taurus, Gemini, etc.) represents the zone of assimilation and anabolic, up-building activity. The other hemisphere, from south node to north node, is the zone of either positive or negative release — release of seed-elements, or of unassimilated refuses.

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So your northern hemisphere begins in Virgo. You are building up your NN energy with 2H Saturn, 3H Pluto, 4H Uranus, 5H Neptune.

To me it looks something like:

2H Saturn - save your money, be conservative with your resources
3H Pluto - watch what you say
4H Uranus - stay brilliant within your home, apply your genius to home endeavors
5H Neptune - live a vibrant, colorful life

When all of that comes together your task might be to keep it organized and running smoothly. Also the confidence you gain from attaining mastery in these areas supports the NN. In some ways this seems like an investment in yourself or gathering personal resources to build up your core energy.

Then, I guess, the SN hemisphere is where you demonstrate that to the world and also discriminate between what is useful to you and what is not. Whereas you try and soak in ALL of your outer planets, absorbing and learning from them, you are externalizing through your personal planets, feeling, acting, loving, speaking with conscious filters and sometimes letting things go with Piscean abandon.

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I wish Rudhyar himself were here to answer this.

posted June 03, 2016 09:48 AM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
Sheesh. I finally completely understand this. I have to read and write in pieces because of my schedule..

I like this breakdown of Moon conjunct either of the Nodes in the except What's interesting is I relate to Moon conjunct SN, even though my Moon is not conjunct SN. I have Moon trine NN like you. I'm not having a psychic experience either...nor have I repudiated her (my mother), but when I first left home I was very critical of my mother and everything she did. The only reason I was not more harsh with her then in my mind and heart is because of where she chose to raise me. These days we spend all our time together. She is the primary educator of my children. We work together in my home and at her farm, but I guess things pretty much are my way or ..my way, and in a way that is a rejection of her ways.

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Ah that's interesting. How sweet that she is teaching your kids for you.

I can see how I still have a ways to go, coming to peace with my mother. Irrational as it may be, and this is embarrassing to even say, I think part of me is angry at her for dying when I was so young. And the anger remains is like an energetic "sticky note" to remind me not to do that to my children. She fought too hard, pushed too hard, came at life with a giant axe trying to change everything, that's what it felt like. Wherein my Pisces moon learned to chillllllll out and be very very careful about what I will go to battle about, so the stress won't kill me.

It can be stressful even trying to construct a life where enough time is available to be at peace. I have highly sensitive nerves and it's a handicap, honestly. But at least I know it and don't constantly push through ignoring my limitations.

I think my mother ignored her limitations. I mean she had Capricorn Mars, trine a Virgo moon possibly, and if we were tight on money she had no problem with working two jobs, getting up at 4 am and basically doing nothing but work. Burned herself out.

On the other hand I envy her because that sounds fun. And maybe when my kids are older I will try that for myself after all. I will just know to protect my health double and triple before I attempt it.

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
Wow. Pluto square Scorpio NN. What does that mean in your words? You also have Saturn conjunct Pluto in synastry. What does her Pluto do in her own chart?

You have the same North Node. Can you see it (in your live and what you know of your mother's life)?

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Aw, thanks for the invitations to talk it out.

You know honestly some of this stuff I would never say to anyone. This is probably where the unspeakable, untouchable part of me abides. And there is other stuff I'm willing to say except it's morbid. Basically, you know the drill, it's Pluto...so I could tell you but then I'd have to kill you.

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
I'm not skilled enough to see that ^ in my head

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Sure you are, it's just a cardinal t-square. If you imagine the 0 Aqua as 29 Cap, the pattern stands out better.

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
What is a draconic chart used to determine Faith?

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* Family connections
* Fateful connections that alter your destiny path
* An underlying reality

It sounds dramatic because it is, but you really need to look at the charts to believe it...and maybe you won't, even then...but I highly recommend the study, as it's quite mind-blowing at certain turns.

For instance, I moved next door to the girl who became and is my best friend, when I was six years old. Is it just a coincidence that her draconic chart overlaps my own tropical chart with several tight conjunctions?

She doesn't believe in astrology too much but I did show this to her on a napkin in a restaurant one time, when we were having lunch. "See, this is me, that's you, and they're linked. Again, me and you are linked. Here and here and here."

She said (paraphrasing)..."See, I've always told you God made us neighbors for a reason. That makes perfect sense that it would show in the planets. It SHOULD be like that, if astrology is true!"

The fact that she is the kind of person who would says things like that illustrates our connection pretty well, don't you think?

posted June 07, 2016 12:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
* Family connections
* Fateful connections that alter your destiny path
* An underlying reality

It sounds dramatic because it is, but you really need to look at the charts to believe it...and maybe you won't, even then...but I highly recommend the study, as it's quite mind-blowing at certain turns.

For instance, I moved next door to the girl who became and is my best friend, when I was six years old. Is it just a coincidence that her draconic chart overlaps my own tropical chart with several tight conjunctions?

She doesn't believe in astrology too much but I did show this to her on a napkin in a restaurant one time, when we were having lunch. "See, this is me, that's you, and they're linked. Again, me and you are linked. Here and here and here."

She said (paraphrasing)..."See, I've always told you God made us neighbors for a reason. That makes perfect sense that it would show in the planets. It SHOULD be like that, if astrology is true!"

The fact that she is the kind of person who would says things like that illustrates our connection pretty well, don't you think?

And her sun is conjunct my moon. And the moon is the astrological "creator" of the nodes and destiny.

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Thanks for leaving this up Faith. I knew I only had a window of time to read and my belly tells me you extended that time just a little...or you forgot. Ha ha.

Thanks for explaining draconic charts. I know I'm going to like looking at those. Keep eyes open for "@Faith" topics

posted June 07, 2016 12:56 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I loooove how you included the moon on the title!!

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