posted May 31, 2016 10:46 AM            

I have had the scientific explanation of what the nodes are, but how would they be a reflection of the moon, or how would the moon be a reflection of the nodes, or would it be a different kind of relationship between the two?

posted May 31, 2016 06:18 PM            

It may not answer your question but provides a theoretical framework that may help you answer your own question.

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Thus, the manner in which the Moon's nodal axis is related in a birth-chart to the planets, to the horizon and meridian, and to any other natal factor or axis (the nodes of other planets, the Parts, etc.) is of the greatest significance. First of all, the Moon's nodes axis divides the natal chart into two hemispheres; and every natal factor acquires a general meaning by its position on one side or another of this nodal axis. The hemisphere which is located between the north node and the south node in the usual order of zodiacal signs (Aries, Taurus, Gemini, etc.) represents the zone of assimilation and anabolic, up-building activity. The other hemisphere, from south node to north node, is the zone of either positive or negative release — release of seed-elements, or of unassimilated refuses.

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Here my moon's trine to the NN doesn't matter so much as its position between the NN and SN in the sign order. My moon is in the zone of "building up activity." It helps the NN by gathering impressions.

If it were between the SN and NN, then I suppose it would have a more extroverted "calling."

Not sure though.

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I mentioned last year the general significance of the conjunction of the natal Moon with one of her nodes, and the related emphasis upon the "Mother Image," if not the actual mother, in the growth (or failure to grow!) of the ego and personality. Dependence upon the mother (or a substitute) is usual, in one form or another, with the natal Moon at the north node. If at the south node, the trend is toward either a repudiation of the mother and her influence, or the transformation of the actual mother-relationship into a transcendent psychic Image which becomes the channel for the stressful release of the psychic energy (cf. Nietzche's case, his relation to Cosima Wagner, his powerful Anima complex, etc. — and also the case of Richard Wagner himself); or a powerful yearning for being an actual mother and exercising maternal authority over physical or intellectual-spiritual children.

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Transiting south node conjunct my moon.

I do not feel "the transformation of the actual mother-relationship into a transcendent psychic Image which becomes the channel for the stressful release of the psychic energy" today.

posted May 31, 2016 08:38 PM            

I was concerned to read about the NN-moon conjunction, since my daughter has that.

Well it's really interesting about her. I have a Scorpio NN in my fourth house, trine 8H Pisces moon.

My daughter has an 8H Scorpio sun.

Her sun forms an exact water grand trine with my draconic moon in Cancer and her draconic moon in Pisces.

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posted May 31, 2016 10:13 PM            

I mentioned draconic charts because they apply to the nodes, in case anyone is new to draconic charts:
http://www.astrologycosmobiology.com.au/articles/tutorial/draconic-chart.html

It seems to me that the relationship between the tropical moon and the nodes may unfold and tell a story through draconic relationships and nodal events. (?)

Especially when the moon aspects the nodes.

posted May 31, 2016 10:20 PM            

Would it be possible that a moon sign in harmony with the node makes it easier to obtain, regardless of aspect? The only aspect my Node has is a quintile to my Moon, so I'm wondering.

My dad's sun is conjunct my N.N. exact. My mom's Saturn is conjunct my S.N. exact. They have Sun-Saturn opposition in synastry. My parents though are very weak in Scorpio energy (my mom has Scorpio Neptune and my dad has a Scorpio N.N.). I have a lot of Scorpio energy, which is strange indeed (possibly from my grandparents; both are Scorpio Moons).

Not sure what to make up of this.

posted May 31, 2016 10:25 PM            

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Would it be possible that a moon sign in harmony with the node makes it easier to obtain, regardless of aspect? The only aspect my Node has is a quintile to my Moon, so I'm wondering.

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I think that's the conventional wisdom, yes.

However, I have the trine, and don't notice any benefit. Frankly I suspect Scorpio NN is just a pain, any way you cut it. Maybe without the trine I would suffer more and "attain the node" even faster. LOL

Does your sun square your nodes?

posted May 31, 2016 10:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

I can actually go pretty far down the rabbit hole with this when I include my mother in the picture, but I don't want to overload the thread with data.

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posted May 31, 2016 10:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
You might like this:
http://www.khaldea.com/rudhyar/astroarticles/moonnodesatbirth.php

It may not answer your question but provides a theoretical framework that may help you answer your own question.

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I'll read the article, but I already like this excerpt.

posted May 31, 2016 10:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I think that's the conventional wisdom, yes.

However, I have the trine, and don't notice any benefit. Frankly I suspect Scorpio NN is just a pain, any way you cut it. Maybe without the trine I would suffer more and "attain the node" even faster. LOL

Does your sun square your nodes?

Doesn't your dad have a Scorpio NN? I remember he's my age.

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My dad does have a Scorpio N.N., and it also sits in the 6th house
He goes through some of the most disastrous health issues and somehow manages to survive it all. In 2001 he was diagnosed with a brain tumor after it had cracked through his skull, and he survived. He got the tip of his finger chopped off whilst doing something with a chair (not sure exactly what). His fingernail now grows downward as a result. Just recently he cut his fingers cut up with a table-saw at his job (he does hardwood flooring). That healed.

You can see how crazy this is lol.

I am an Aquarius, so my Sun would only be able to oppose my North Node, but that is not the case. The only aspect I have is my Venus parallel the S.N. in declinations. One thing is that I've always wanted to be famous (Leo), but for something worthwhile such as a fantastic achievement (10th house). Being in the limelight has been a life-long dream of mine

Having a Gemini Moon should help, but Pluto's strong influence on my Moon can change things. I'm not sure how it would play out. If I was to not concern minor aspects, my N.N. would be unaspected (without declinations). Is this why my Sun score on Donna Cunningham's test is so high? lol
Right now though, I'm trying to sort out my Gemini Moon vs its Plutonian influence. Intense, magnetic conversations? lol

posted May 31, 2016 10:55 PM            

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I am an Aquarius, so my Sun would only be able to oppose my North Node

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Errrr I knew that......brain spasm.

Your dad's life sounds hard. :-/

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Being in the limelight has been a life-long dream of mine

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And look! You've arrived!

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Gemini Moon vs its Plutonian influence. Intense, magnetic conversations? lol

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posted May 31, 2016 10:58 PM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
Bump.

I know what you mean and actually I have something in my head but I can't put it into words.

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posted May 31, 2016 11:06 PM            

I find it funny that my Gemini friend with a Pisces Moon/Gemini Mars had a brain spasm at the exact moment you did. Coincidence?

The Capricorn in my node feels like I haven't succeeded yet lol, but it's good to know I'm making progress

My dad's life has a lot of ups and downs, but he's still going. He gets frustrated quite easily though, and the way he manages his anger can be frustrating.
Though that info is for another thread

posted May 31, 2016 11:36 PM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
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Thanks Just a little bit to show how scientific and precise all the timing can be.

1 Scorpio, mother's NN
1 Taurus, mother's Saturn-SN
1 Leo, mother's Pluto
0 Leo, my Saturn

20 Scorpio, my NN
21 Aqua, my draconic Pluto

(So we both have Pluto square Scorpio NN.)

Her progressed Mars when I was born, @29 Capricorn, formed a grand cross with her nodes, Saturn, and Pluto. I don't have her birth time but her progressed moon was near that progressed Mars.

28 Cancer, my draconic moon
29 Capricorn, transiting NN when she died
29 Libra, her pr NN then
0 Aqua, my pr sun at that time

Then, in progressions, she and I both had moon conjunct Pluto when she died. Wide orb for me...I don't know the orb for her but they are close.

If she was born later in the day, her draconic moon was in Pisces. And her draconic sun in Capricorn was exactly quincunx draconic Mars in Gemini. These are my tropical placements.

Suffice it to say my birth coincided with a turning point for her health because of an operation she had right after I was born, so it's not surprising we are linked this way, through Pluto especially.

posted May 31, 2016 11:42 PM            

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I find it funny that my Gemini friend with a Pisces Moon/Gemini Mars had a brain spasm at the exact moment you did. Coincidence?

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Oh you caught that? Yes, we psychically planned on acting in unison.

That's what Pisces moon/Gem Mars pairs do.

And the reason it's a "spasm" is cuz...you know...they're square...

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@Electro

Oh you caught that? Yes, we psychically planned on acting in unison.

That's what Pisces moon/Gem Mars pairs do.

And the reason it's a "spasm" is cuz...you know...they're square...

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Lol, nothing weird happening in the stars tonight

posted June 01, 2016 12:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
I have an 8th house Gemini Moon. I have a 10th house Leo N.N.

Would it be possible that a moon sign in harmony with the node makes it easier to obtain, regardless of aspect? The only aspect my Node has is a quintile to my Moon, so I'm wondering.

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I don't know. I've been doing stuff like this:

8th house Gemini Moon. I have a 10th house Leo N.N. and 4th house Aqua SN

NN: earth house, fire sign
SN: water house, air sign

MOON: water house, air sign
OPP: earth house, fire sign (right?)

we can do it again

NN: earth house (10), fire sign (5)
SN: water house (4), air sign (11)

MOON: water house (8), air sign (3)
OPP: earth house (2), fire sign (9)

ok, so that's really basic and not really getting us anywhere, but that is where I started:

I have a 2nd house Virgo NN conjunct Saturn and an 8th house Pisces SN conjunct Eros.

I have a 10th house Taurus Moon conjunct Chiron and MC opposite a 4th house Scorpio Uranus.

So I started musing over the simple fact that my Moon is in Taurus and my NN is in my 2nd house (Taurus house). So then of course opposite the Moon is Uranus in the actual sign of Scorpio, and opposite NN is SN in the 8th house (Scorpio house). Basic.

Regarding South Node: This may not be the way it works for everyone and it certainly is not the only meaning of SN for me, but SN does represent a time period, place, environment, and spiritual awareness I have experienced (and which is a part of who I am) in this lifetime.

My 3rd and 4th houses also reflect the time and place I see in my SN. And of course there is the connection between the IC and SN and soul memories (I made that up "soul memories", but that's what I mean).

Now I cannot see my NN in my houses 9 and 10 (the house my Moon occupies) because in higher education and career I am a late bloomer. But my NN is in an earth house, in an earth sign, conjunct Saturn, while my Moon is in an earth house, in an earth sign, conjunct Chiron. Btw, the fact that I am a late bloomer is actually foretold in the NN/Saturn conjunction.

Enduring delays in progress makes you take notice when things start moving along. I am paying full attention to the changes taking place in my life and As I get older (Saturn) I've noticed that working with my Moon energy (relying on it) is extremely satisfying as it can be very steady and constant. I prefer the results of this expression to my fiery Mercury in Leo usually giving her first reaction to things.

What's interesting is when you have Chiron Moon in conjunction you are being asked to work intimately between Saturn and Uranus (I'm pretty sure Chiron is between these two planets) accepting Saturn's lessons so that Uranus's genius can be channeled and maybe communicated.

Well Saturn is sitting there on my NN, trining my Moon...and by working with Saturn I can open Uranus and the secrets that are there in the Scorpio 4th. That is very similar to how I have been seeing the nodal axis. I believe that my NN wants me to bring out the secrets of the Pisces SN in 8th but through the methodology and discipline of the NN.

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the meaning of the Moon, in the sun-centered modern approach to the entire solar system, becomes also different from that it had in the old "vitalistic" cosmologies and astrology. The Moon is now the one satellite of the Earth; more significant still, the symbolical sphere traced by the Moon in her motions around the Earth's globe is like a womb or electro-magnetic field. It is the Mother-envelope and the Mother is the symbol of protective agencies, and in general of the faculty of adjustment or adaptation to the constant challenges of the outer and inner environment.

This faculty, this power to meet the demands of embodied existence and, in so doing, to gain experience and "food" of all types, is what today the Moon represents. It is this power which earth-born organisms absorb at the "point of intake," the north node.

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posted June 02, 2016 02:08 PM            

This faculty, this power to meet the demands of embodied existence and, in so doing, to gain experience and "food" of all types, is what today the Moon represents. It is this power which earth-born organisms absorb at the "point of intake," the north node. And so we have the following description of the meaning of the Moon's nodes and nodal hemicycles:

North Node: Point of intake. Earth-nature is open to and receives the Moon's energies.

South node: Point of release. The results of the assimilation by the living earth-organism (or personality) of the Moon's energies are exteriorized, or (when negative)' are evacuated or repudiated.

Hemicycle beginning with north node: During this period, when the Moon has north latitude, her power is absorbed, then (especially around the point of maximum north latitude) assimilated by the personality. New faculties or powers are built.

Hemicycle beginning with south node: As the Moon moves in south latitude, earth-nature lets go of the results of the assimilation process (whether these be "seed" or "manure"); however, after the point of maximum south latitude is reached and the Moon moves again northward, the organism or personality becomes repolarized in expectation for a new period of intake.

Application to Natal Charts
Because the nodes are results of the interaction of two orbital planes they must always be considered as the two ends of a line or axis. It is the axis which counts, and also the entire process defined by the "cycle of latitude" cut in two by this nodal line. North and south nodes have meaning properly only within the sweep of the entire cyclic process — just as the mouth and the rectum have meaning in terms of the entire progress of food-assimilation, or metabolism.

Indeed, all cycles of latitudes represent processes of metabolism, the assimilated products being the type of energy of which the planet whose nodes are being considered is the (symbolical) source or outlet. It must not be forgotten, however, that even in the most modern approach to the solar system the planets still represent agencies which differentiate the one basic energy radiated by the Sun. Lunar energy is therefore still, at root, the Sun's energy, a reflected and "lunarized" aspect of it. Planets are outlets of energies, rather than real sources. There is only one source of energy: the Sun.

The Moon's nodal axis has been considered an "axis of fate;" and much of personal fate indeed is a function of the personality's ability to adapt itself to the demands of life and society in its environment. Any factor in the total makeup of personality closely involved in the operations of this process of lunar adaptation is singled out by this involvement, which reacts thus upon the feelings, the moods, the psychic sense, the mental ability to "sense" situations and people — all derived from the basic lunar power of adjustment to the environment.

Thus, the manner in which the Moon's nodal axis is related in a birth-chart to the planets, to the horizon and meridian, and to any other natal factor or axis (the nodes of other planets, the Parts, etc.) is of the greatest significance. First of all, the Moon's nodes axis divides the natal chart into two hemispheres; and every natal factor acquires a general meaning by its position on one side or another of this nodal axis. The hemisphere which is located between the north node and the south node in the usual order of zodiacal signs (Aries, Taurus, Gemini, etc.) represents the zone of assimilation and anabolic, up-building activity. The other hemisphere, from south node to north node, is the zone of either positive or negative release — release of seed-elements, or of unassimilated refuses.

We discussed recently in the pages of this magazine the U. S. chart erected for July 4, 1776, 5:13 P. M. In this chart the Moon's north node is on Leo 7 l/2°, the south node on Aquarius 7 1/2° — and the Moon on Aquarius 27° 12'. Thus, the Moon has passed her south node and has an increasing south latitude; she is at her phase of maximum release or exteriorization. The typical American individual indeed releases and exteriorizes the lunar ability to adjust to the challenges of his environment, and this in an unusual manner; but this ability was actually built in his ancestral European past, after some centuries of concentration on intellectual analysis and on the ambition to master earth-materials by stressing the ego's will to conquest.

The nodal axis passes (in the Sagittarius rising chart) through the second and eighth houses — thus stressing the factor of resources and management of resources. The second house refers to the resources of the individual and the way he uses them; and it carries the south node emphasis. The American individual is characterized by the way he releases (and frequently wastes!) his resources. What he fails often to see is that these resources and the positive lunar power of mastery over circumstances are built in his national eighth house; that is, as a result of partnership, commerce and commingling of efforts. America was built through partnerships and the fruits thereof; the individuals as such released her wealth, and often squandered it. Now the Government and large-scale organizations do the same — perhaps because the recently revealed Pluto is in the second U. S. natal house and fairly near the Moon's south node.

In the north node hemisphere of the U. S. chart we find Neptune, Saturn and Pluto; in the south node hemisphere, all other planets. This may seem puzzling; but all it means, from the point of view I present here, is that the American people are building, or can best build, new powers of adaptation to the challenges of our modern world, through the use of the Neptune, Saturn and Pluto functions — which can be said succinctly to mean: through federation and faith in distant horizons, through a strong framework of law and ego-power, through large-scale management and integration of production. The U. S. Uranus, Mars, Venus, Jupiter, Sun, Mercury, are, on the other hand, basically polarized in the direction of the exteriorization and release of the lunar power which had been acquired in the ancestral past of the American people.

In this sense, the south node refers to acquired tendencies, to innate gifts, and to the instinctive, nearly automatic type of activity through which these inherited tendencies, gifts, abilities are released quite spontaneously. To bank too heavily upon these inherited powers, and especially to take them for granted is very often to follow the way of "self-undoing." It may also mean the spontaneous exercise of "genius." In both cases, character often fails to develop, because of lack of real "self-exertion" — self-exertion being one of the characteristic attributes of the north node type of activity. Character is built at the north node; innate talents, or genius, or charm is released at the south node.