posted June 05, 2016 05:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Hemilla:
I've red a book (forgot who wrote it and name of it) about people that did regressions to past lifes - and basically conclusion on question here from the book would be - when the soul is done with learning,it starts teaching. You learn the best from worst situations ,and soul decides if it will have a horrible life or not - i concluded that our souls are mazohists if i am to belive that book - and i dont like that,so i decided that its bull crap,but that is not immportant i guess here - still i'd like to give personal opinion here - i catch myself beliving in reincarnation but never fully really, me as a person being unique and existing only once,and making a difference with having only one chance seems more realistic to me .

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But why would a soul want to be born in a poor/war/ghetto place, knowing they will get bullied in school, maybe become a criminal etc..?

posted June 05, 2016 09:05 PM            

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Originally posted by deptic:
But why would a soul want to be born in a poor/war/ghetto place, knowing they will get bullied in school, maybe become a criminal etc..?

if soul chooses such environments, what's the lesson here? i don't get it.

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posted June 06, 2016 12:48 PM            

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Originally posted by deptic:
But why would a soul want to be born in a poor/war/ghetto place, knowing they will get bullied in school, maybe become a criminal etc..?

if soul chooses such environments, what's the lesson here? i don't get it.

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Because according to the book you learn most in worst situations - souls even decide to be born as still borns and what not to be part of other souls lessons. Also note worthy is that in that book other worlds and other creatures on them were mentioned,but humans can not reincarnate to them because humans and earth are most evolved - you can incarnate from dog to human but you cant from human to dog.

No,a lesson is not really a karma,you as a soul pick wether you will live a bad life or not, now the souls of realy bad people were mentioned,but i forgot what happened to them - most said that those souls were separated from rest and "taken" to be fixed

posted June 06, 2016 01:17 PM            

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Originally posted by deptic:
But why would a soul want to be born in a poor/war/ghetto place, knowing they will get bullied in school, maybe become a criminal etc..?

if soul chooses such environments, what's the lesson here? i don't get it.

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posted June 06, 2016 03:51 PM            

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Originally posted by BeholdAstarte:

what kind of experience would you have if you continuously made the same life over and over again? would your lessons differ? how can we understand something without experiencing the opposite as well. without truly suffering how can be know what its like to be happy? how can we appreciate what we have without having anything at all at one point too? do you understanding what im saying... dont we need to experience something to understand it..to live in a culture that is different from what were used to, to expose us to EVERYTHING. because thats what makes us whole, not just one small portion of experience

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posted June 06, 2016 06:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Hemilla:
No,a lesson is not really a karma,you as a soul pick wether you will live a bad life or not, now the souls of realy bad people were mentioned,but i forgot what happened to them - most said that those souls were separated from rest and "taken" to be fixed

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I find that concept...terrifying. Especially given how arbitrary a lot of good and bad are, and that karma and such is almost invariably presented as a (deeply flawed and limited) human perspective, that is, those who would have godlike power over us as being deeply flawed beings not worthy of reverence or admiration beyond the disproportionate power they hold, though of course that would make its victims (us) prone to Stockholm Syndrome.

posted June 06, 2016 06:36 PM            

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Originally posted by BeholdAstarte:

what kind of experience would you have if you continuously made the same life over and over again? would your lessons differ? how can we understand something without experiencing the opposite as well. without truly suffering how can be know what its like to be happy? how can we appreciate what we have without having anything at all at one point too? do you understanding what im saying... dont we need to experience something to understand it..to live in a culture that is different from what were used to, to expose us to EVERYTHING. because thats what makes us whole, not just one small portion of experience

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I was once a runaway, a homeless 15-year-old on the streets who mixed with other homeless kids, and engaged in crimes to support ourselves (heck, our being on the streets was itself a crime in that state).

A close companion of mine was a 14-year-old girl who had endured repeated raped and home (amateur) abortions forced on her before she escaped to the streets a year prior (and still had genital problems over it), while another was an older teen boy (I wasn't as close to him and don't recall his age) who had been brutally molested when he was 4 so that he had to receive medical care AND was placed in a psychiatric ward for children after given his extreme behavior after. I was absolutely amazed by what both went through, and both of them were amazed by the other (in a way they almost shrugged off what happened to themselves, but couldn't imagine what it was like for the other)...and now, reading that, I hope we can "share" on a more etheric or astral level rather than each having a turn at that, both them as each other, and me as both of them, though given how distressingly common such experiences are (and your own words of needing to experience it to understand it) that is not comforting, which is interesting given how I think this thread was made in part to find comfort rather than truth.

posted June 07, 2016 06:35 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
I find that concept...terrifying. Especially given how arbitrary a lot of good and bad are, and that karma and such is almost invariably presented as a (deeply flawed and limited) human perspective, that is, those who would have godlike power over us as being deeply flawed beings not worthy of reverence or admiration beyond the disproportionate power they hold, though of course that would make its victims (us) prone to Stockholm Syndrome.

I can think of psychological reasons why some would take comfort from such an idea, and why I find it so deeply disturbing, but as that's about human nature rather than higher realities, I'll spare you...though I do think it's worth considering how well we could possibly know higher (or at least hidden) realities. Not that I think it's impossible...I have some strange metaphysical memories, and others have provided me reasons to trust in those memories, but even that leaves me with more questions than answers.

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The only one who holds the Power is God and God is not flawed by any chance- God is pure and uncoditional love - souls are created as perfect,but there are stages of perfection - newest souls are not as nearly as perfect as they can be so they come to this and those suposed other worlds to learn and perfect themselves - those who have sined are sent to be corrrcted,they were week and unprepared.

In that book the "rank" of the souls was described with colores - i think the highest a soul can achive is golden or purple.

As i said i am not fond of the description from the book,esspecialy because i dont really dig reincarnation,and i think if that what is written is true,the world lacks harmony big time,because apparently our souls are in search of misery so they could go to next level faster ... wich is selfish because they harm nature ,earth and bodies God created in the process.

Ofcourse there is explanation that you can take "vacation" from misery and pick to live fantasticly easy and happy life,but little progress will be made,and you will have to reincarnate thousand more times

I will try to remember the book - i think its worth reading,even though you dont have to belive or agree with it - like i dont.

posted June 07, 2016 06:44 AM            

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Originally posted by deepseablues:
The books Journey of Souls and Destiny of Souls by Michael Newton will answer many of your questions. Very old and mature souls stop reincarnating and stay on council to guide those still reincarnating

The final goal is to become one with "God" or the Creator or the All or the Universe, however you term it. I recall both the place after death and being one with all and I miss it dearly. Its one of the many reasons this plane is so difficult for me

For those that want to argue about soul evolution all you have to do is look at the reality on this planet, that everything is born, ages and dies at different times and rates, and it is no different for souls, or planets or anything on a macrocosmic scale.

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Dr. Michael Newton, this is it - i think he has tree books there that are on topic

I recommend it,nicely written,interesting to read and so on.

posted June 07, 2016 03:12 PM            

Hopefully, not back to earth. I mean what's the point? Aren't they too old for this earth 's BS ?

posted June 07, 2016 03:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
where do old souls go?

Hopefully, not back to earth. I mean what's the point? Aren't they too old for this earth 's BS ?

Not every soul wants to teach. At least, old souls should have a choice, to come back to earth or go into some other, less gross, dimension.

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posted June 07, 2016 03:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Hemilla:
The only one who holds the Power is God and God is not flawed by any chance- God is pure and uncoditional love - souls are created as perfect,but there are stages of perfection - newest souls are not as nearly as perfect as they can be so they come to this and those suposed other worlds to learn and perfect themselves - those who have sined are sent to be corrrcted,they were week and unprepared.

In that book the "rank" of the souls was described with colores - i think the highest a soul can achive is golden or purple.

As i said i am not fond of the description from the book,esspecialy because i dont really dig reincarnation,and i think if that what is written is true,the world lacks harmony big time,because apparently our souls are in search of misery so they could go to next level faster ... wich is selfish because they harm nature ,earth and bodies God created in the process.

Ofcourse there is explanation that you can take "vacation" from misery and pick to live fantasticly easy and happy life,but little progress will be made,and you will have to reincarnate thousand more times

I will try to remember the book - i think its worth reading,even though you dont have to belive or agree with it - like i dont.

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Exactly, I agree with that, I think the purpose of souls is becoming one with God once they are ready (although it would seem important to ask what and where is God? The universe perhaps? Light and Love?).
What I know is God is pure and Love, so we should trust him. I don't think it matters how many times our souls have to reincarnate if in the end we arrive at perfection (after all we have all time we want to achieve it, and it's not a competition).

But Hemilla, I believe souls don't chose; that sounds like a selfish thing to do. It's more like they intuit the path they need to follow next in order to reach to the next level of perfection and they just naturally move onto it.

I believe that a rank of colours is used in Buddishm and meditation techniques. And I've read a bit about aura, how according to its colour so is your general personality. I actually took a test and it seems I have a main violet aura and a secondary crystal aura. Could it be related to that? And how can you actually measure and discrimine a person's aura?

posted June 07, 2016 05:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Hemilla:
Can you link me that test i would love to do it although i dont really belive you can detirmine the color of your aura with a test but hehe

I know that it all will make sense one day,but right now i aint liking the concept of it xD

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Oh yes. I found at in this page : http://www.auracolors.com/aura-colors/aura-colors-questionnaire/

posted June 07, 2016 05:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Sikanda:
Oh yes. I found at in this page : http://www.auracolors.com/aura-colors/aura-colors-questionnaire/

Yes, I don't believe it is going to be very accurate or anything, I mainly did it just for fun and out if curiosity.
Please do tell me what results you get.

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Thank you very much

i got this

Your primary aura color is: Abstract Tan.
Your secondary aura color is: Crystal.

Abstract Tan
The bright and curious Abstract Tans are unique characters in the mental family.

They are the most childlike of all the Tans. Abstract Tans are open, friendly and outgoing.

They have incredibly optimistic personalities. Though they frequently have high energy, it is also usually scattered. They tend to go in many directions at once.

Crystal
Crystal is a rare Aura Color. The sensitive and quiet Crystals have clear auras and are known as the “aura chameleons.”

Like chameleons, their auras will change colors to match those of the people they are connecting with at the time.

They then take on the characteristics, behavior patterns, emotions and thoughts of that color.

posted June 07, 2016 08:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Sikanda:
@Pixiejane I don't find reincarnation terrifying, it is actually a comforting thing to me and it makes sense. I would be less comfortable thinking that either soul doesn't go anywhere (hard to believe though), or that once you die you as a person but in a soul shape go to God, stay there forever and that's about it. And then what? Is that the only purpose that your soul has served for? I would want more wisdom!

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I wasn't talking about reincarnation, I was talking about not being allowed to learn one's own lessons, that is that supposedly "perfect" beings must be "fixed" because they're not learning the lessons that some master would have them learn (IOW, they're being kept ignorant, controlled, and likely punished as heretics or free thinkers, unless they stick to the Plan set out for them by immensely more powerful beings). It's Orwellian on a mythic scale, and it also interferes with the learning experience for everyone by artificially altering the learning lab/environment, not just for the one "separated and fixed."

I get it: you have faith in an all loving God who, by your definition, can do no wrong, and you probably think this makes you a more enlightened person. Obviously, I don't share your faith. Perhaps Big Brother in Heaven needs to separate my soul and "fix" me, a nice spiritual lobotomy should do the trick so that I don't question their (or Its) goodwill and wisdom again.

posted June 07, 2016 11:30 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
I wasn't talking about reincarnation, I was talking about not being allowed to learn one's own lessons, that is that supposedly "perfect" beings must be "fixed" because they're not learning the lessons that some master would have them learn (IOW, they're being kept ignorant, controlled, and likely punished as heretics or free thinkers, unless they stick to the Plan set out for them by immensely more powerful beings). It's Orwellian on a mythic scale, and it also interferes with the learning experience for everyone by artificially altering the learning lab/environment, not just for the one "separated and fixed."

I get it: you have faith in an all loving God who, by your definition, can do no wrong, and you probably think this makes you a more enlightened person. Obviously, I don't share your faith. Perhaps Big Brother in Heaven needs to separate my soul and "fix" me, a nice spiritual lobotomy should do the trick so that I don't question their (or Its) goodwill and wisdom again.

Added for clarity: I find the concept terrifying, but I don't believe in it (souls being separated and "fixed") anyway.

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I get what you mean, a God that pulls all the strings and tries to control me, or hurts me, scares the heck out of me.

But I don't think God is that way. I do believe that the divine sometimes teaches us a hard lesson, or lessons, so that we don't keep being bad, or whatever. But I'm not sure that every misdeed will be paid for. I think the universe/God is more forgiving than that.

posted June 08, 2016 01:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
Don't forget, for some people, EVERYTHING is God. That includes the good, the bad, and the neutral.

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Yes. Take out the anthropocentric perspective and I'm one of them (furthermore, I see karma as blind and naturalistic--like gravity--rather than guided by moral judgments from a human perspective--this means that good people suffer the bad karma, too, and perhaps are even more likely to since they take less effort to avoid it; but then even this makes life better than it would be than if it did not exist at all).

Also, God/dess takes very little (if any) action on any mortal's behalf, meaning it's impersonal and we learn our own lessons through natural consequences (which means anything bad is done to ourselves or each other rather than an all powerful force), which is very different to me from a personal and domineering force imposing artificial consequences (including the removal and "fixing" of souls)--that is, done TO us by It--to teach us obedience to It more than letting us learn the actual truth. And God/dess isn't to be confused with any one aspect that are just idealized forms (Jesus, Freya, the 8 Immortals, and so forth), more like potent symbols in the Collective Unconscious (and these forms could potentially be tapped from movie characters as much as gods)...God/dess is in them (and in the demons and such), just as Its in everything, but they are not God/dess.

That's the super simple version. It would take too long to explain it further.

posted June 08, 2016 11:41 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Yes. Take out the anthropocentric perspective and I'm one of them (furthermore, I see karma as blind and naturalistic--like gravity--rather than guided by moral judgments from a human perspective--this means that good people suffer the bad karma, too, and perhaps are even more likely to since they take less effort to avoid it; but then even this makes life better than it would be than if it did not exist at all).

Also, God/dess takes very little (if any) action on any mortal's behalf, meaning it's impersonal and we learn our own lessons through natural consequences (which means anything bad is done to ourselves or each other rather than an all powerful force), which is very different to me from a personal and domineering force imposing artificial consequences (including the removal and "fixing" of souls)--that is, done TO us by It--to teach us obedience to It more than letting us learn the actual truth. And God/dess isn't to be confused with any one aspect that are just idealized forms (Jesus, Freya, the 8 Immortals, and so forth), more like potent symbols in the Collective Unconscious (and these forms could potentially be tapped from movie characters as much as gods)...God/dess is in them (and in the demons and such), just as Its in everything, but they are not God/dess.

That's the super simple version. It would take too long to explain it further.

But I will throw out that while I don't believe in God/dess to "teach us not to be bad" (at least not in the human way), enlightened self-interest can mitigate a lot of bad (without sacrificing all the bad so that mortals are no longer driven to excel, and can appreciate the good)...and I did have this fascinating dream many years ago about how the very poor decisions of humanity helped avert similar decisions in many extraterrestrial species:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/004592.html

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If they're 'good' now, maybe they weren't before, like 20 lifetimes ago. Like you said, like gravity, the negative energy they sent out 20 lifetimes ago will come, just like gravity, or water dropping off a cliff, it's natural, not personal.

posted June 08, 2016 11:44 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Yes. Take out the anthropocentric perspective and I'm one of them (furthermore, I see karma as blind and naturalistic--like gravity--rather than guided by moral judgments from a human perspective--this means that good people suffer the bad karma, too, and perhaps are even more likely to since they take less effort to avoid it; but then even this makes life better than it would be than if it did not exist at all).

Also, God/dess takes very little (if any) action on any mortal's behalf, meaning it's impersonal and we learn our own lessons through natural consequences (which means anything bad is done to ourselves or each other rather than an all powerful force), which is very different to me from a personal and domineering force imposing artificial consequences (including the removal and "fixing" of souls)--that is, done TO us by It--to teach us obedience to It more than letting us learn the actual truth. And God/dess isn't to be confused with any one aspect that are just idealized forms (Jesus, Freya, the 8 Immortals, and so forth), more like potent symbols in the Collective Unconscious (and these forms could potentially be tapped from movie characters as much as gods)...God/dess is in them (and in the demons and such), just as Its in everything, but they are not God/dess.

That's the super simple version. It would take too long to explain it further.

But I will throw out that while I don't believe in God/dess to "teach us not to be bad" (at least not in the human way), enlightened self-interest can mitigate a lot of bad (without sacrificing all the bad so that mortals are no longer driven to excel, and can appreciate the good)...and I did have this fascinating dream many years ago about how the very poor decisions of humanity helped avert similar decisions in many extraterrestrial species:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/004592.html

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posted June 08, 2016 12:42 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
I was once a runaway, a homeless 15-year-old on the streets who mixed with other homeless kids, and engaged in crimes to support ourselves (heck, our being on the streets was itself a crime in that state).

A close companion of mine was a 14-year-old girl who had endured repeated raped and home (amateur) abortions forced on her before she escaped to the streets a year prior (and still had genital problems over it), while another was an older teen boy (I wasn't as close to him and don't recall his age) who had been brutally molested when he was 4 so that he had to receive medical care AND was placed in a psychiatric ward for children after given his extreme behavior after. I was absolutely amazed by what both went through, and both of them were amazed by the other (in a way they almost shrugged off what happened to themselves, but couldn't imagine what it was like for the other)...and now, reading that, I hope we can "share" on a more etheric or astral level rather than each having a turn at that, both them as each other, and me as both of them, though given how distressingly common such experiences are (and your own words of needing to experience it to understand it) that is not comforting, which is interesting given how I think this thread was made in part to find comfort rather than truth.

Of course, I could ask about how many souls there are, the finite duration of human civilization (and the many forms it takes) and all that, and how karma is just part of the lesson plan so that there's no such thing as bad karma as we need it to learn (how and why did karma come about anyway?) but that's probably getting too complicated, and too disturbing for those without enough Pluto in the chart.

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hi pixie, it sounds like you went through quit a bit of stuff growing up, same with your friends.. I'm truly sorry for the pain you had to endure, in the end its those wounds that really remind us how strong we are! I was sexually molested when I was about 4-5, and I grew up in a very unstable home environment, lots of violence, drugs and being the only child at the time.. I grew up spending a lot of time alone. it took me a very long time to shed away all that pain and anger and shame I had inside. so many guilty nightmares my whole life, escaping to the astral plane.. my art and myself. forgiving myself, healing and understanding the bigger picture, though the truth is painful.. in the end the comfort withstands the pain and unanswered questions. its only uncomfortable if the truth questions your own concept of what your reality is and how desperate you are to keep it that way.. I feel like ive always been very open for any possibility, so creating my own spiritual vision has grown over time and I collect what resonates with me and makes sense.. I actually took a child psychology class not too long ago and it resurfaced a lot of painful memories and made me confront the fact that I had serious psychological issues as a child, my prominent pluto/mars was VERY destructive as a child. and with my venus/pluto and 8th house Uranus.. I was pretty fascinated with death at an early age.. because I had separation anxiety as a child I would obsessively have thoughts of my parents dying or never coming back, and at 8 a close family friend violently died while camping, definitely making an impression on me.
The funny thing is, my child psychology teacher who has been doing his practice for years and works with trauma children.. couldn't even tell from my subconscious behavior and my confidence that I had been molested as a child.. cause apparently he was really good at spotting behavioral patterns of trauma victims . when i look back on this life.. and how much i have come and grown, theres nothing that can give me so much power. i in a sense see it as the healed wounded healer.