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Topic: Where do old souls go?
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Sikanda
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posted June 02, 2016 02:40 PM
  
After reading the topic about past and next lives, I started wondering more about this topic. And I read that there are five types of souls: infant, baby, young, mature and old.
For all I know I am a young one. I feel like I was born to learn, I love being a student and deepening my knowledge. At the same time I feel rebellious deep inside and I want to change things, I want to make a difference. I am also not very patient.But I know someone my age who is an old soul. He has all the characteristics, he even loves teaching, which is a trait of old souls (something I don't, since I don't like telling others what they should do).
I brought this up because it seems that old souls have reached all the wisdom that they need and, as I understand, they won't reincarnate anymore. There are articles about this I have read in the internet, this is one of them: http://humansarefree.com/2014/02/old-souls-and-completion-of-incarnation.html?m=0 So all of this is very new to me and I am basically in search of answers. My questions are: what happens to old souls? Where do they go? Do they become one with the universe and what is that for? Do they disappear? Do they begin the reincarnation cycle again becoming an infant soul?
What is the final liberation the soul achieves?
This all reminded me of Plato's body-soul dualism I studied back in high school.
Is it true that the soul feels trapped within the body? Isn't the body an essential instrument for it to be materialised into determined actions? Well I think I'm getting way too philosophical here. But what are your thoughts about this? Please don't quote. Thanks. IP: Logged |
deepseablues
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posted June 02, 2016 03:18 PM
The books Journey of Souls and Destiny of Souls by Michael Newton will answer many of your questions. Very old and mature souls stop reincarnating and stay on council to guide those still reincarnating
The final goal is to become one with "God" or the Creator or the All or the Universe, however you term it. I recall both the place after death and being one with all and I miss it dearly. Its one of the many reasons this plane is so difficult for me
For those that want to argue about soul evolution all you have to do is look at the reality on this planet, that everything is born, ages and dies at different times and rates, and it is no different for souls, or planets or anything on a macrocosmic scale. IP: Logged |
SDragon
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posted June 02, 2016 03:30 PM
Yes, I really enjoyed reading those books. Part of struggling in life as an old soul is that we're here even if we don't remember why and we better get on dealing with being here instead of regretting and lamenting the choice to come back. Life gets easier usually in the second half as our physical/mental/spiritual maturity catches up with our soul age.IP: Logged |
BeholdAstarte
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posted June 02, 2016 03:41 PM
hi! this is a topic ive been digging into for years, ive thought about it a whole lot.. i love it!
the soul ages that you are talking about.. they are derived from a teaching that was in a way discovered back in the 70's by a group who would channel an "entity" thats last incarnated name was "michael" and from these questions and conversing with this entity is where all the info about soul age, roles like artisan, priest, warrior and what they call overleaves come from, which i think its directly related to astrology. i think you would like these books, i discovered it randomly in an occult bookshop when i was 18.. and it change my life and gave me such a deep comfort, to my soul comfort! ive read the book probably over 5 times and ive collected everything i could find on it.. as you know, we exist as we know it in the physical plane, a place where vibrations move so slow that we are able to experience solidity and the concept of time. as with the process of evolution.. and the continues creative cycle that makes all existence whole, the creator and ultimate perfection, thus becomes the created, starting as a fresh new blob of love light starting its new and unique journey of love and we cannot forget hate.. unlike the other planes, the physical is chaotic, where suffering and accidents happen and we are caught up in the illusive mirage that we are separated due to its actual physical limitations.. so with the steps of consciousness, being infant to old, once the soul reaches its completion and has fully integrated all experience and has learned to essentially be selfless and entirely agape, then the next step is the ASTRAL plane, which we are able to access as you might know.. through our dreams and our astral body.. if youv ever had an out of body experience you will know what i mean immediately..then its the casual plane.. akashic plane.. i cant remember the rest but it doesnt really matter well know eventually haha, but 7 is apparently a universal number pattern. the older the soul becomes, the more open it is to psychic phenomena and answering in depth questions about existence.. there's a draw to searching for truth and finding it in whatever form it comes. mature souls are drawn more to quiet faiths and religions vs an old soul seeks the comfort of a tree to be its cathedral. everyone will eventually become an old soul.. its just one step at a time. the concept of eternity is not limited as most are not able to comprehend just how vast that concept is.. one lifetime is so very small when we are involved in an order than is timeless. we have all the time to experience ourselves and grow.we are already the universe!! everything is, its all connected. and yes, as we grow we will eventually become the creator, the one! every liberation is different to each soul, thats the whole point of it which is such a trip to think about, that like a snowflake, each one is unique and entirely its own, only to exist for the brief time before it melts and ceases to exist, this is the pattern for all life, all of us, me, you, and every life. its just amazing to me that there are an infinite amount of creations that at the moment is entirely valid only to be gone and to start over again!
in a sense, this body and this vessel is like an empty bottle and our soul is the water and we are floating out in sea. it makes it seem like we are separated when its really just a mind game haha. so i suppose we kind of are trapped in this body.. and its only when you are able to be still that the soul comes out.. and in our dreams. just to listen! meditate! be one within ourselves.. i think we set out different lives with different goals, all hoping to experience every facet of life there is to comprehend. how can we be whole without understanding what its like to come from every possible place right? the good and the bad is the balance of life, that duality is what completes us.
haha i get really excited about these kinds of topics! they arent really that common to be able to discuss.. and its actually kind of a private passion, but apparently there are only 10% old souls on the planet and we are majority young soul world.. so old souls are definitely seen as odd and quirky, and fairly isolated.. so these kind of conversations are very much appreciated.. IP: Logged |
Sulkyarcher
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posted June 02, 2016 03:42 PM
Old souls try to reach enlightenment. Then they spend the rest of their lifetimes on earth, or other planes, paying off leftover karma. They also sometimes reincarnate a few more times, to make sure that they are perfected morally and ethically. Then once they're perfected, they become spirit guides, some even angels, and counsels, it's a whole system in the spirit world.Once they're in the spirit plane, they don't experience the same pain we do in this dimension, or mental anguish. IP: Logged |
aquagembaby
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posted June 02, 2016 03:59 PM
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Originally posted by deepseablues:
The books Journey of Souls and Destiny of Souls by Michael Newton will answer many of your questions. Very old and mature souls stop reincarnating and stay on council to guide those still reincarnating
The final goal is to become one with "God" or the Creator or the All or the Universe, however you term it. I recall both the place after death and being one with all and I miss it dearly. Its one of the many reasons this plane is so difficult for me
For those that want to argue about soul evolution all you have to do is look at the reality on this planet, that everything is born, ages and dies and different times and rates, and it is no different for souls, or planets or anything on a macrocosmic scale.
I may just pick up that book it has great reviews IP: Logged |
Sikanda
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posted June 02, 2016 04:40 PM
But do you have any record of what you do in this life when you get to the astral plane? Because I don't think you do, I think the soul's memory is cleared up, since it shoudn't be burdened, then what is the point of going though life on Earth, of learning on it?
I believe that, apart from going to the astral plane, there is already a point of living here on Earth. I believe we are put here for some reason: to fulfil ourselves, to find our own path to joy. There must be something afterwards, sure, but living is already significant now. By the way, BeholdAstarte, I believe your name comes from a Tartessian goddess but I think she was workshipped in other cultures. Another question I have is how many times can an old soul be reincarnated? Because I see having an old soul is no guarantee of achieving the Enlightment. IP: Logged |
Novabronte
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posted June 02, 2016 05:24 PM
Sikanda, you've asked so many questions ... your soul knows all these answers, try to feel them with your soul, not with your mind. 1. On types of souls... you said you've read about five types of souls: infant, baby, young, mature and old
Take into consideration that every single person develops at a different rate, the journey is different, the challenges are different, the tests are different, the experiences are different,in other words the soul map is different. One soul may choose a different path to achieve a certain lesson than some other soul - just as there are many roads to reach the same destination. The timing will be different too, mistakes, accidents, overcoming them, how painfully, how long it will take ... it will all be different for everyone. Any attempt to categorize souls is not going to express the idea adequately. Because if you consider that there is no time in soul realm, how can you put age on a soul? In those terms we are all the same age. The measure is level of growth.. in wisdom, in understanding, in love for all there is...there are no earthly words to describe it. But time or age is irrelevant, does not exist.
So in view of this an old soul would be one who has passed all the tests, has learnt all the lessons meant for him, has grown in wisdom and understanding and is ready for ascension to a higher consciousness of being. It will not need to incarnate anymore, for it has reached its fullness of being. However, some old souls choose to incarnate again in order to help their soul group members with their growth...or because they accept a special mission.
Not all old souls would love teaching, I think that's a stereotype. Some may be warriors, fighting for whats right :-) It all comes down to purpose.
But at some point of their life they will have an understanding that is from out of this world, when they remember who they are. 2. what happens to old souls? Where do they go?
someone above had answered that...and some old souls will choose to incarnate again as I have already mentioned. The simple answer is we will know for sure when we leave here. 3. Do they become one with the universe and what is that for?
Its home. 4. Do they disappear? Do they begin the reincarnation cycle again becoming an infant soul?
hmm, does energy disappear? can a butterfly become a caterpillar again ? 5. What is the final liberation the soul achieves?
eternal love...which is much more than what we experience here as love 6. Is it true that the soul feels trapped within the body?
People who have experienced Near Death Experience say that when they were out of their physical body they felt light and pure, whilst when they were pulled back into their physical body it felt dense and heavy..perhaps constrained rather than trapped. Read the accounts, they will answer some of your questions. http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Archives/archives_2nd_half_2014.htm 7. Isn't the body an essential instrument for it to be materialised into determined actions?
I read this somewhere and it rounds it up really well - We are spiritual beings having a human experience. While we live on earth, we are human and it is only through material reality that we can do anything. However, despite the fact that we are bound in human form, we can reach beyond that limitation. Anyway, this is how I would answer your questions.
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Condoowit
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posted June 02, 2016 05:36 PM
Sikanda, the newton books are headspinning at least they were for me. Yes, the akashic records contain all the history of all our incarnations, reportedly. You can access them on the other plane between lives. Lois Wetzel wrote a good book about this topic. I have it on Kindle. IP: Logged |
BeholdAstarte
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posted June 02, 2016 05:45 PM
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Originally posted by Sikanda:
But do you have any record of what you do in this life when you get to the astral plane? Because I don't think you do, I think the soul's memory is cleared up, since it shoudn't be burdened, then what is the point of going though life on Earth, of learning on it?
I believe that, apart from going to the astral plane, there is already a point of living here on Earth. I believe we are put here for some reason: to fulfil ourselves, to find our own path to joy. There must be something afterwards, sure, but living is already significant now. By the way, BeholdAstarte, I believe your name comes from a Tartessian goddess but I think she was workshipped in other cultures. Another question I have is how many times can an old soul be reincarnated? Because I see having an old soul is no guarantee of achieving the Enlightment.
your record is your collective conscious. all memory and experience is stored in the akashic records, which we all are able to tap into if we took the time to look within ourselves and practice. past life memories? its all just collective energy built into one, we carry it within ourselves, thats why they say as the soul grows and becomes old it is more gentle and kind, calm. its like when you literally in-vision the behavior of human ages. there are so many different ways of experiencing a life, how could just one life and experience be sufficient enough to say thats all you need to understand existence?
the moment now is the most important moment of them all.. right now is our opportunity to grow and evolve. i see everything in a sense as blended. not separated. when i talk about other higher planes of existence with different laws and pursuits and such, one cannot exist without the other. they are all interrelated and has a purpose. i think we set goals for particular lifes to accomplish certain experiences and choices.. its all about choices. every choice shapes who we are, lifetime after lifetime after lifetime.. we reincarnate however many times we want. our existance is eternal it doesnt matter how many times we come back, its the experience that counts and if everything has a unique path than every soul will have a different number of times it chooses to come back. whether its vibrations are high and fast and it buzzes through life, or it has a more solid role and cruises through life spending hundreds of life just simply being because it wants to. there are no limitations than the ones you create for yourself. enlightenment comes naturally, its not just willed and attained..but experienced and validated. the reason why an old soul is able to achieve that state of free selflessness is because of all the lives and knowledge of experience of past lives.. you gain it. each step is a new perspective and it really does just flow naturally.. all as it should. yeah i really liked Astarte in Mesopotamian and Sumerian culture, ive read a lot of different symbolic meanings of her but i liked how she was related to venus, the 8 pointed star and star tarot..
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deepseablues
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posted June 02, 2016 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by Sikanda:
But do you have any record of what you do in this life when you get to the astral plane? Because I don't think you do, I think the soul's memory is cleared up, since it shoudn't be burdened, then what is the point of going though life on Earth, of learning on it?
I believe that, apart from going to the astral plane, there is already a point of living here on Earth. I believe we are put here for some reason: to fulfil ourselves, to find our own path to joy. There must be something afterwards, sure, but living is already significant now. By the way, BeholdAstarte, I believe your name comes from a Tartessian goddess but I think she was workshipped in other cultures. Another question I have is how many times can an old soul be reincarnated? Because I see having an old soul is no guarantee of achieving the Enlightment.
Some souls do, most do not. There is actually currently a field set up around the Earth that causes incarnating souls memory recollection to be erased, that has been setup by interfering entities, which is why Earth/humanity is currently in the state (of hypnosis) that it is. At this time, many evolved souls have incarnated to Earth (many volunteered to their own karmic detriment with full knowledge of the difficulties they would face once here) to help evolve the consciousness of the Earth/humanity as well as to bring harmony and balance, help remember old ways that have been forgotten, and to dismantle the current system/ expose the interfering entities and starve them by holding a vibration of love.
The point of going through life on Earth is to learn the lessons of Life and Love, to evolve as a soul and consciousness, and to gain experience. You are very right when you say this
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I believe we are put here for some reason: to fulfil ourselves, to find our own path to joy. There must be something afterwards, sure, but living is already significant now.
Each soul has their own purpose for each incarnation/lifetime, of which they must discover for themselves. I've spent my entire life searching for mine and am only now beginning to know, it has been an arduous journey. Part of my purpose is to help save Gaia (Earth). As another poster said, your purpose and all your answers lie within, though we often need outside experiences to help us search and find it IP: Logged |
Sikanda
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posted June 02, 2016 07:07 PM
Okay I am currently reading it all and digesting all answers. I feel I need some time to assimilate this. Thank you.
But deepseablues, when you talk about interfering entities what do you mean? Do you mean things like satellites or space debris? Do you think they interefere somehow to block the vibrations of the universe? (which would be ironic, since they have all been there precisely to recopilate information from space).IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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posted June 02, 2016 09:17 PM
Perhaps Old Souls are well-done and thus ready to serve up as a meal, purified of impurities with just the right mixture of flavors and aging to be perfectly palatable to those who devour our souls?Who knows, maybe the writers were onto something here:
http://youtu.be/ghSq2qlwrs0?t=2m5s IP: Logged |
bonsai
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posted June 02, 2016 09:20 PM
I sometimes wonder about the concept of soul age and what we do when we finish a life here. Also, if we feel we have learned all the lessons we can learn in this world, do we start trying out other worlds and repeating the cycle?But then I think to myself, sure, we are learning a lot of valuable lessons so that in the end we become one with God or All That Is or Tao, and that's extraordinary, but, well.... so what? What next? What do we do with all the new-found and established wisdom? Sit there for the rest of eternity as one and just smile? I don't know, maybe I'm not looking at it the right way, but it just sounds a bit pointless. IP: Logged |
Condoowit
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posted June 02, 2016 09:21 PM
If you want to know all about the interfering entities, read Bringers of the Dawn by Barbara Marciniak. She explains it very nicely in the first half. She has been channeling the pleiadians for years. Brilliant stuff. Many of her channeling sessions are on YouTube. IP: Logged |
deepseablues
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posted June 03, 2016 12:19 AM
@Sikanda, By interfering entities, I mean beings and consciousnesses that are not human. The book @Condoowit suggested is a great place to start, as it is a very enormous topic.
There is a pdf version available here:
http://www.ebooksoneverything.com/extraterrestrial/bringers-of-the-dawn.pdf
and audio book versions available as well IP: Logged |
TensionEmpire
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posted June 03, 2016 08:12 AM
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Perhaps Old Souls are well-done and thus ready to serve up as a meal, purified of impurities with just the right mixture of flavors and aging to be perfectly palatable to those who devour our souls?Who knows, maybe the writers were onto something here:
http://youtu.be/ghSq2qlwrs0?t=2m5s
So sell it to the devil if it is going to be devoured anyways  IP: Logged |
Sikanda
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posted June 03, 2016 12:38 PM
@pixiejane
That was very disgusting, pixiejane. And tasteless. I can't pass on that comment. God is all that is good, love and enlightnent.By the way, what do you think of the perspective of native Americans and other cultures, who see god in every form of life and on Earth, versus a god as a part of the universe as we understand it? IP: Logged |
Sulkyarcher
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posted June 03, 2016 12:53 PM
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Perhaps Old Souls are well-done and thus ready to serve up as a meal, purified of impurities with just the right mixture of flavors and aging to be perfectly palatable to those who devour our souls?Who knows, maybe the writers were onto something here:
http://youtu.be/ghSq2qlwrs0?t=2m5s
Although I consider myself spiritual, I like your sense of humor. It's nice to relax, and have a sense of humor once in a while.
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BeholdAstarte
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posted June 03, 2016 01:00 PM
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Perhaps Old Souls are well-done and thus ready to serve up as a meal, purified of impurities with just the right mixture of flavors and aging to be perfectly palatable to those who devour our souls?Who knows, maybe the writers were onto something here:
http://youtu.be/ghSq2qlwrs0?t=2m5s
lol
nibbles on perfected, supple, tender souls?! I like that meal (*¢¥„t¥)¢ IP: Logged |
Sulkyarcher
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posted June 03, 2016 01:03 PM
Oh, and PixieJane, your humor was tastefully done.IP: Logged |
Sikanda
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posted June 03, 2016 01:32 PM
@pixiejane
That was very disgusting, pixiejane. And tasteless. I can't pass on that comment. God is all that is good, love and enlightnent.By the way, what do you think of the perspective of native Americans and other cultures, who see god in every form of life and on Earth, versus a god as a part of the universe as we understand it? IP: Logged |
BeholdAstarte
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posted June 03, 2016 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by Sikanda:
@pixiejane
That was very disgusting, pixiejane. And tasteless. I can't pass on that comment. God is all that is good, love and enlightnent.By the way, what do you think of the perspective of native Americans and other cultures, who see god in every form of life and on Earth, versus a god as a part of the universe as we understand it?
I'm very interested in shamanism and I feel like ive always had a draw and similar thoughts to the lifestyle I suppose.. everything has a spirit, an energy to it and being aware of what we are all connected to. the concept of oneness is understood and the shaman is the bridge from the physical to the spiritual world. astral projection, meditation.. I feel like they don't say it exactly like that but many are totally adept astral travelers and taking sweet journeys through the mind and spirit. I really love the concept of death and rebirth as well.. of having some sort of traumatic ego death that changes you forever, I can relate.
though shamanism is worldwide and a vary vast practice, I feel like there's a similar pattern to some beliefs. but I guess to actually answer your question specifically.. the concept of oneness is not limited to just earth. it extends to the universe so I believe that a lot of shamans believe in the depth of that connection as well. maybe I'm thinking of it differently. IP: Logged |
Sikanda
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posted June 03, 2016 05:48 PM
Okay, I might have been looking at this comment in too harsh a way. But it's like I felt myself insecure, that's why I responded that way, pixiejane.Thanks for your answer, Beholdastarte. Probably you are right. Shamans connect with the energy within the Earth and the energy that is out of it. They channel the energy between both. IP: Logged |
Sulkyarcher
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posted June 03, 2016 06:44 PM
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Originally posted by Sikanda:
Okay, I might have been looking at this comment in too harsh a way. But it's like I felt myself insecure, that's why I responded that way, pixiejane.Thanks for your answer, Beholdastarte. Probably you are right. Shamans connect with the energy within the Earth and the energy that is out of it. They channel the energy between both.
Meh, I've done worst. LOL
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