posted June 09, 2016 11:36 AM            

Keep reasserting not only a more optimistic outlook, but your free will along with it. Sometimes the best assertion of free will is to walk away from the source of that negativity.

You can always ask an actual astrologer to clarify the underlying principles of a certain factor or aspect if you are dealing with an astrologer (as opposed to reading a book or report). If they cannot do that satisfactorily, then their skills are lacking - go elsewhere.

posted June 09, 2016 12:24 PM            

The same thing with astrology: all my hard Saturn aspects, for example, were difficult when I was young; now that I'm much older, I see them as a blessing.

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posted June 09, 2016 07:21 PM            

But I'm back here, after years away, because an astrologer's predictions were much, much more accurate than my own thoughts, feelings, ideas, or intuition. Which really surprises me. But now, I would welcome fatalistic or gloom-filled interpretations, as long as they're accurate. Which I didn't used to believe they could be, but now I do.

posted June 10, 2016 01:49 AM            

Long time ago I had someone read my natal chart and she told me many negative things as well as some positive. As I was younger I fear a lot of those but once I learn astrology myself and lived I realised that she first wasn't a good astrologer and second it's up to me how I use that energy.

My mother has some of the most challenging aspects in Natal chart and even tho her life was very challenging from that she has managed to do many great things in life, she has evolved, she grew and she is happy. There's a reason why everything happens in our life and even if things seem negative it's probably because something positive can happen after. hard to believe when you are in a difficult situation but it's true.

posted June 10, 2016 11:43 AM            

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I turn my cheek and carry on with life.
I've seen these fatalistic interpretations be dead wrong.

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posted June 10, 2016 12:44 PM            

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Hard and challenging aspects exist for a very good reason, they push us to grow and evolve, as well as to integrate energy which we project onto the outside world. So fatalistic interpretations are one-dimensional and really just useless. When dealing with hard astrological placements and aspects, always focus on what the lesson is, and find ways to play with the energy. It's powerful energy, but after all we're the ones who bring it forth (either consciously or unconsciously). There's more free will here than most astrological scholars admit.

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posted June 10, 2016 01:00 PM            

Well said, my Friend

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posted June 10, 2016 01:12 PM            

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I've always been uncomfortable with fatalistic and doom-and-gloom interpretations. I've never paid for a professional reading before. When I've gotten a fatalistic reading, I've reminded myself that all aspects can play out in a "higher octave" way or at a higher vibrational level....I've never believed that something can be completely fares, not so much because I believe in free will--I don't, quite, I mean I know that we're all constrained by our mortality, our corporeality---but I believe in boundlessness, that there are lots of possibilities in every situation.

But I'm back here, after years away, because an astrologer's predictions were much, much more accurate than my own thoughts, feelings, ideas, or intuition. Which really surprises me. But now, I would welcome fatalistic or gloom-filled interpretations, as long as they're accurate. Which I didn't used to believe they could be, but now I do.

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your experience and that synastry thread is probably the most impressionable post on astrology that ive read. best wishes and much love to you.

posted June 10, 2016 01:53 PM            

i have my sun,mars,merc conj in libra 6th

squaring Saturn,uranus,neptune in the 9th

opposing Jupiter in the 3rd.

a seven planet T-square! and my venus is conj pluto in scorpio DC so a ton of conjunctions too.

when i would read those traditional astrology books and some Vedic texts all i could do is laugh, its kind of funny reading a giant list of possible ways to die, so much health issues because of all the tension in my 6th, plus mars is making a square to Uranus in the 8th, ive read to be considered the most violent aspect so I'm suppose to have a quick, unexpected and possibly violent death. haha and all the 9th/3rd house tension disposes me to possible mental breakdowns and madness, ive read blood poisoning with my mars/Neptune square haha. oh and with my venus/pluto conj ive read a few times that sorrow through marriage and possible early death of love is possible.. like jeeze!! ha

i dunno suppose my strong pluto and Uranus in the 8th and mars conj makes me kind of fearless about it, if it happens, it happens, i really look forword to oberserving how my life continues to play out and finding astrological patterns in all their possible expressions.

also, when i read the really negative traits through my squares i try to remember all the planets involved and the potential of the tension, some is more or less true about myself even if i don't want to admit it, especially when i was younger growing up! i def face my darkness, and Ive done a lot of work with in a way reconstructing my brain and my thoughts and understanding astrology and all the tension i was born with helped me heal BIG TIME. and understand why i was the way i was.. so its however you perceive it i suppose and it really doesn't have to be all that bad. i know myself well enough that it doesn't bother me hehe <3

posted June 10, 2016 04:14 PM            

There is nothing innate to astrology that should make it feel heavy or mostly negative.
That is a feature of the person reading/delivering the interpretation.

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I'm reaching the point in my journey where I'm just flat out beginning not to care of the implications of my house placements and aspects. There's just too many negatives to count. Sun, Venus, Mercury in the 12th,

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Why are these 'negative'? I don't see them that way. No placement by house is innately negative.

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Moon in the 8th,

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Not 'negative' by itself.

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Stressful, but a proper delineation can bring about self-awareness for directing these energies in a healthy, balanced way.

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Mars opposite Saturn...

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Okay, stressful in that the 'go' energies of assertion will undoubtedly be challenged by the 'stops' in some relational dynamics. However, holding yourself back because of a history of that only compounds things. That means anticipation of blocks or various forms of prohibitions.

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Fortuna in the 8th house ... etc.

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Not negative in itself. Again, no placement merely by house should be seen as 'negative'.

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And all the Sabian symbols with the fatalistic interpretations saying I'll likely be the subject of some kind of horrible disease/accident ...

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Sabian symbols are garbage. I know this is going to upset some tender ears here, but that's fine. No one can come up with an accurate rendering of each degree of the zodiac without consideration to what body/point is located there. I don't care how long popular astrologers have been holding onto them, they're junk. So forget them.

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It's just too overwhelming to keep an awareness of it all in my waking life. It's hard to imagine that all these terrible things could keep happening while I try to carry the best of intentions even while I'm down most of the time. I've just flicked the awareness switch "off".

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I understand totally.

Anything that puts that much negativity, negative images, or anxious anticipation in your mind is doing more harm than good.

So if you feel like just dropping all this information, I totally understand -- and agree.

But I am also telling you now that your sources of astrological information and interpretation are wrong and tainted with the negativity projections of others. Yes, even many astrologers have put their own tainted perspective into how to interpret birth charts and particular factors.

I approach astrology as a science of the subtle energy imprint you start life with. All combinations of astrological energies can serve a purpose which gives them a positive expression.

In my approach there are stressful or flowing energies, the black-and-white notions of negative/bad vs. positive/good are not set in stone, particularly in relation to outcomes.

Astrology does not describe pre-set outcomes. It only shows subtle energy conditions. They are background factors, not foreground factors.

That means there are things to be learned, yes, but all energies in astrology can work in a positive way -- even negative ones -- IF we understand the principles at work behind them. Each one can be put to positive use.

I don't blame you at all if you drop astrology completely and push it out of your mind -- in fact, at this point, I highly recommend it. Don't change astrologers and come to me or any other source of interpretation. Just cleanse your mind of the garbage that is there and take hold of a positive vision of your life and what you want it to be. That is WAY more important than astrology.