posted June 13, 2016 07:17 PM            

I've moved on and don't really care anymore what we were arguing about.

I called her back just to say hello and she's exactly at the same place where we ended the argument.

She's already raising her voice trying to convince me of her point. I keep to my original stance, but stay calm about it because I've moved on to other things.

So there I am extremely calm thinking I've got better things to do. I say to her I didn't call to argue and then just politely ended the conversation.

I apologize if I upset anyone...

I notice this with the other fixed signs, they will keep on the same argument and the same points until they convince you there right, even if you've found holes in there argument/points.

I notice this with Leo and Scorpio, they will go on and on until they look ridiculous or sh*t disturbers.

posted June 14, 2016 02:42 AM            

1. Scorpio: all of the eternity.
2. Taurus: until they die. maybe not even then.
3. Leo: until the end of time.
4. Aquarius: a year.

posted June 14, 2016 12:16 PM            

Scorpio is fixed water. It takes emotion for them to remain stubborn, but they've got it in spades to use. Don't make it about emotions or they'll be set.

Leo is fixed fire. They are stubborn if it becomes a point of honor or pride to do so. The key is to never make it about those things. Once there, they would choose death before dishonor.

posted June 14, 2016 12:34 PM            

This is not because I automatically assume I am right, I frequently find myself, and admit that I am in the wrong.

However, there are some situations where I know for a fact I have completely dismantled the whole situation and rebuild it a thousand times, and if I have come up with the same result, then it takes the same level of analysis to make me budge.

posted June 14, 2016 01:45 PM            

Yes.

I have Leo Asc and Aquarius Mercury conjunct my Dsc.

My husband is a Leo Sun with Mars/NN conjunct in Aquarius, on my Dsc.

We are ridiculous to the point that we have to laugh at ourselves.

We do this absurd "dance", where we're constantly finding holes in the other's methodology or ideas, but as soon as one person agrees and comes over to the other person's "side", the other person will start to take the opposite stance.

It's like (in my mind's eye) we do some sort of idiot rooster dance while walking towards each other, and then finally find a place in the middle where we meet and agree on whatever it is.

Our son is a Taurus, and we may have another Leo on the way. Our family is ridiculous, but hilarious.

posted June 14, 2016 03:52 PM            

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Originally posted by pire:
As an aqua, if you want something from me, ask the opposite, i will do my best to prove you wrong...

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I'm the same way! Try to tell me what I should or shouldn't be doing and I'll do the opposite. I wouldn't say I hold grudges for too long when it comes to a fight with someone close to me. I do need a lot of time to analyze it and sort out how I feel about it which could take time and if someone keeps pushing then it just makes it worse.

My advice is just to leave her alone until she contacts you. Aqua's don't like needy or clingy either, I'm sure you're not being that way but after a fight the last thing we want to do is talk to you or pretend like it didn't happen. She'll contact you once she has enough time to process it and get over it.

posted June 14, 2016 06:41 PM            

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Originally posted by -Chelsey-:
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My advice is just to leave her alone until she contacts you. Aqua's don't like needy or clingy either, I'm sure you're not being that way but after a fight the last thing we want to do is talk to you or pretend like it didn't happen. She'll contact you once she has enough time to process it and get over it.

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I figured enough time has gone by, I've forgotten since I'm busy with other things.

Thanks for your replies everyone!!.

posted June 14, 2016 06:46 PM            

It's not so much about whether things logically make sense or whether you can find a hole in their argument. You can always find holes in people's arguments, but that's your gemini perspective. Fixed signs want you to respect them as they are and understand their points of views based on principles. Biases/conviction/preferences are what allow one person to pick one thing from another.

So if you just ignore that and think in your head that there are so many holes in this person's argument, he/she is not gonna give up making that point to you.

posted June 15, 2016 12:13 AM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
when someone keeps repeating the same points, it's because they dont think you get it.

It's not so much about whether things logically make sense or whether you can find a hole in their argument. You can always find holes in people's arguments, but that's your gemini perspective. Fixed signs want you to respect them as they are and understand their points of views based on principles. Biases/conviction/preferences are what allow one person to pick one thing from another.

So if you just ignore that and think in your head that there are so many holes in this person's argument, he/she is not gonna give up making that point to you.

You have to acknowledge that what works for the Fixed sign native is the system they set up and if you keep on ignoring and disrepecting that system, you are upsetting them and they will drop you sooner or later because there's nothing long-termed about someone who does not get our principles.

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But that's were the fundamental flaw is with fixed signs. If there defending wrong or outdated principals/practices.

I'm sure everyone had heard about the Orlando shooting.

Well the Orlando Shooter, Omar Mateen was a Scorpio. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Mateen.

I hope all us don't agree with his principals, I know I wouldn't.

Fixed signs may not realize there stand once its too late and in the case of Omar Mateen he obviously went to far.

posted June 15, 2016 12:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
Yes, they are stubborn.

The ego (Sun) here is stubborn, or fixed (Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, Aquarius).

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posted June 15, 2016 02:07 PM            

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Originally posted by DualGem:
But that's were the fundamental flaw is with fixed signs. If there defending wrong or outdated principals/practices.

I'm sure everyone had heard about the Orlando shooting.

Well the Orlando Shooter, Omar Mateen was a Scorpio. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Mateen.

I hope all us don't agree with his principals, I know I wouldn't.

Fixed signs may not realize there stand once its too late and in the case of Omar Mateen he obviously went to far.

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Gemini Sun,
Capricorn Rising
Aries Moon
Gemini Mercury
Venus Taurus
Mars Cancer

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If several people tell that fixed person that he/she have x,y,z qualities and drop him/her, eventually the fixed person will react by being angry or will change their way of life. But it always takes a lot for a fixed person to change. And change happens by the fixed person constantly debating with others about what happen, not dropping it like Sag/Gem/Pisces.

posted June 15, 2016 02:27 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
Once something clicks and points to them where the exact hole of their logic is, then they will change. But if they still keep debating with you, or have not dropped the issues, they either think you dont get it or they realize they still dont get it.

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Precisely.
Especially the "once something clicks". Until and unless they realize it on their own, they won't be convinced by 'external' entities (i.e. people, books, what-have-you). That agreement has to come from within. Total conviction takes total effort. Changing the 'total conviction' also takes total effort. So they won't be in a hurry to change/mess with what they're convinced, on a much deeper, maybe even sub-conscious level, is their truth. Taurus may not say it out loud to himself everyday, "I need security. I need a roof over my head and I need to know where my next 100 paychecks are coming from, just to feel borderline comfortable. Who cares about frills when you can't pay the bills?" They may not say it in as many words, but it becomes an abstract philosophy that guides them in decisions, big and small. You won't get more than a grunt or a grim look if you ask them their reasons for such-and-such action or decision. But in the background, this is what's being processed. -- Ditto for the other three. Each with their own philosophy, of course.

Point being, convictions are fixed, and they're deeply rooted in the psyche. Convictions including certain patterns of behaviour as well (how they should/would react in any given circumstance). However, that does not mean they can't be reasoned with or won't come around to seeing some other point of view.

posted June 15, 2016 11:09 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:

But it always takes a lot for a fixed person to change. And change happens by the fixed person constantly debating with others about what happen, not dropping it like Sag/Gem/Pisces.

Once something clicks and points to them where the exact hole of their logic is, then they will change. But if they still keep debating with you, or have not dropped the issues, they either think you dont get it or they realize they still dont get it.

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You are correct about gem/sag's they will drop things quickly and there are times when those two signs could be more firm as a fixed sign.

For example going back to my Aquarious friend there have been times when I've told her you should have just walked out instead of trying to argue to the end, its not worth the time and effort.

....then the inverse she's said to me you should have just stuck through the course in the end, instead of dropping it. Half the class didn't do well and the final exam was made easier.