posted June 21, 2016 11:56 AM            

It is interesting to me, and it seems to fit in a general sense.

For my son and I, we both have Saturn preceding Moon, and Pluto following, and we both have Saturn square Pluto in natal.

However, my son and husband both have NN and other points (for my son, his Vertex and PoF) following their Moon directly, so I'm not sure what to do with that.

posted June 21, 2016 01:26 PM            

I just love you for all the thought you put into this...and the caring, creativity, talent. And I appreciate your help, crafting new lenses with which to view my life and situation. Edit - Had some replies but I feel quiet lately and would rather just honor that feeling.

@Violets

Me, too, I'd love more information. I found some archaic, fatalistic, and misogynistic old prophecies about what a man's wife will be like, based on the planet his moon crosses first, and I actually started transcribing it to post here until I realized it was nuts.

I did came across another article a long time ago...cannot find it again.

@Ceri

I'm tempted to consider asteroids as the first conjunction, or at least take a long pause and say "hmm" over the fact that my moon crossed Pallas first.

@SV

I don't know much about Chiron myself, it's one of the more interesting space-rocks to learn about though.

Edit - it still confuses me.

@mollywu

posted June 21, 2016 02:59 PM            

No, I'm having a new richness in insight on what self-care actually means....

posted June 21, 2016 03:14 PM            

my Moon crossed Atropos and Dionysos first I think. No wrong, the first was KALYPSO (conjunct my Moon by 0°20).
However with asteroids it might be difficult, as we can never really know which asteroids might REALLY be the first (as we simply cannot have all existent asteroids in our mind). If using asteroids, there needs probably to be some prioritizing.

posted June 21, 2016 03:26 PM            

Interestingly Mr Sag`s Odysseus on 19 Scorpio is right in the middle of that wide orb.

Interestingly HIS first asteroid the Moon had to cross (on 00 Cap) was Penelope.

posted June 21, 2016 05:34 PM            

Lucky me, I've got Elektra conjunct my moon with 1°, separating.

I guess you know Elektra.

But hey, I'm not guilty of anything like that. It just means that I admire electricians and electricity....dishwashers, clothing machines, hair dryers...I love it all.

@mirage

Thanks

Best wishes with all that paperwork, I would feel irritated and rebellious against all that, too, and would have to figure out how to contain my excess emotion, just to move one step in front of the other.

They shouldn't even ask people to do all that paperwork. Totally inconsiderate and inefficient. I'm sure there must be a simpler way!

As for the caregivers...

I've been thinking of Pluto in Capricorn, how it opposes Cancer and how it seems to be really hard on the families.

posted June 22, 2016 02:29 PM            

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It has seemed clear to me for many years that to increase the quantity of information leads most often to a loss of well-focused perception — and that what is most needed is not so much a vast array of surface elements and charts as a penetration in psychological depth based upon relatively few and simple facts.

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I suspect Rudhyar was looking to his own chart for the original concept here: natally he saw Moon 24 Aquarius was applying to Mercury at 4 Pisces and understood that his many perceptions and intellectual tendencies and saw an early life imprint that teased out this concept. Look at the following paragraph in his essay:

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As I see it, astrology is essentially a discipline of thought, a way of discovering the order which is inherent in all existence, but which so often eludes us because of our natural lack of perspective upon our everyday life experiences.

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It is interesting that he uses the term "discipline" before "thought." For when we look at the Moon's total course after his birth it first contacted Saturn by parallel. Thus we must bring in the declinations again to see something the longitudes of the flat wheel chart cannot show us. In this way we fulfill the next sentence in his essay:

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It [astrology] is a way to see through the complexities of our life and to obtain a grasp, indeed a vision, of the basic rhythm of our individual existence.

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