posted June 23, 2016 10:18 AM            

I know this placement is supposed to make me the bad guy but honestly, it is her that is always on the attack. There are times she reacts with anger towards me and I don't know what I did. When I ask her she cannot give me a straight answer. Is it possible that moon conjunct chiron in cancer amplifies the sensitivity and resentment? Maybe on both of our parts?

While I am not mom of the year, I am a good parent. I have given her everything she needs and then some. When she is hurt, I am there to comfort her...When someone messes with her, they mess with me. She calls, I answer.

Being knowledgable in astrology, I knew we might have tension so I have gone out of my way to be as loving as possible so she wouldn't feel like I wasn't there for her. Nothing is good enough. All loving deeds are quickly forgotten. She speaks to me in the most disrespectful way (my parents wpould have never allowed it). She manipulates and can be very selfish.

She also has jupiter in her 6th which proabably adds to things, mars in 8th (argumentative) and mercury square saturn which makes her words venomous at times.

To be fair, I have mercury opposite saturn and natal mars conjunct pluto so I am not always the easist person and can be quite verbally aggressive when I am angry as well.

I love my kid and want to find a solution to this tension (that does not involve either one of us feeling like a doormat).

posted June 23, 2016 10:26 AM            

She dotes on him.

posted June 23, 2016 10:33 AM            

I think that they are NO ONE"S fault. They just are

Only God knows why we have them.

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posted June 23, 2016 08:23 PM            

Are there aspects of understanding, Ann?

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posted June 23, 2016 11:36 PM            

Moon -Chiron conjunct. "I dont feel connected to anyone or anything. I feel that no one really cares for me " and this is how the native may continue to gravitate towards feelin throughout their life.

You can just imagine how this could be amplified when the Moon is in a water sign-more especially in Cancer or Pisces.

How hectic are her Saturn aspects? In other words ,what planets are aspected by Saturn? Because is there is a possibility that these aspects may just tend to have the native think in a pervasively cynical "the cup is always half empty" way.

posted June 24, 2016 07:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Yea, the charts really can be hard when there is a strong aspect, such as this, which makes for pain for both people.

Are there aspects of understanding, Ann?

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Yes, her sun trines my moon, we have mercury conjunct mercury, venus conjunct venus, venus sextile mercury going both ways.

I just noticed that my mercury and saturn square her moon. That cannot be good... I must be hurting her feelings and not even knowing that I'm doing it - which I think happens a lot with stressful moon aspects between people.

She has moon/chiron square mercury and mars in her natal.

posted June 24, 2016 07:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Hello Ann7,

Moon -Chiron conjunct. "I dont feel connected to anyone or anything. I feel that no one really cares for me " and this is how the native may continue to gravitate towards feelin throughout their life.

You can just imagine how this could be amplified when the Moon is in a water sign-more especially in Cancer or Pisces.

How hectic are her Saturn aspects? In other words ,what planets are aspected by Saturn? Because is there is a possibility that these aspects may just tend to have the native think in a pervasively cynical "the cup is always half empty" way.

And where is your Moon Ann7?

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She has a lot of saturn aspects - saturn square mercury, opposite jupiter, conjunct neptune and sextile pluto.

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posted June 24, 2016 03:34 PM            

Later in life the issues were more about navigating the external world. As a teenager I felt that if I took control of certain things we would have stability. If she was in control what we'd seem to get was a very challenging existence of chaos and survival. I just can't take that so I take control most of (all of) the time, and I get really ****** off at her for it. I always think I've conquered my resentment, only to find it has new levels.

Because of the way our family operates and because of my own feelings, putting distance between my mother and myself is not something I see as an option, so...

edit: I also love my mother. That's another good reason

But you can see how in my view my mother's vulnerabilities (one way of looking at Chiron Moon) threaten my sense of security

edit: I'm still affected by this today since being a Cancer I feel responsible for her and her problems feel like my own. Sometimes I can't let her talk. It'll make me crazy. And still the Taurus issue remains. I bought her a car. She freaked out and said she couldn't drive it because she'd wreck it and because it was too nice. I forced her to drive it because that's ridiculous. She hit a deer and wrecked it. I'm crazy for being mad. And she's just crazy. And the whole thing is a blow to my stomach and my wallet and I'm frustrated and it hurts. So your daughter is 27. I'm 37. It just goes on.

There is a very strong positive to this placement, but I can't articulate just yet as I'm still figuring it out.

posted June 25, 2016 03:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Ann7:
She has a lot of saturn aspects - saturn square mercury, opposite jupiter, conjunct neptune and sextile pluto.

My moon is in the early degrees of pisces.

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Chiron can give a "its not enough" feel to the energy it interacts with and Saturn can definitely aggravate things by having the planet it touches, contribute to the sense of "lack".

When Saturn touches a personal planet like Mercury, it contributes to everyday thoughts and "practiced" states of perception.

And in this case it could be that one may feel frustrated by perceived limitations brought on to them(Saturn) and express their discontent often(Mercury).

Saturn opposite Jupiter is longer held beliefs. That perhaps there are external forces that are conspiring to inhibit one and make life "unfair" and difficult(Saturn)-despite ones moral/ethical "giving" and no matter how "just" ones approach to life is(Jupiter) etc.

Neptune/Mercury square can add a "what's the point?" mentality of someone feeling like they are climbing a slippery slope where their long-held thought patterns manifest as obsessions with certain beliefs and a certain dogma approach to thinking in a certain way.

Neptune/Mercury can be an avid passive observer and absorb whatever experience is out there- whether negative or positive.

And if the frame of mind is already negative,there are certain fears and phobias that may be manifested through these long-held thought patterns.

The Moon can serve to translate what is going on in the mind into subjective experience. "It is because of what is happening around me"(Neptune-Mercury square) "that I am feeling unloved and uncared for" Chiron-Moon conjunct.

Now this frustration can definitely manifest itself into passive-aggressive behaviour i.e anger and retaliation -more especially when Moon is in Cancer, this anger can be directed at those whom the individual believes should have been responsive/are responsible for their emotional needs and should come to their beck and call at a moments notice(Cancer).

Cancer tends towards an either close relationship with the care providers or can have a tenuous relationship with them- critiquing them for the failure that they had in being parents and how it contributed to their own sense of not being "whole" etc.

You -having your Moon in Pisces- have the propensity to be understanding of emotional currents and unless Saturn/Mars/Uranus are involved in obstructing the expression of this energy, you have made her well-being your responsibility.

This is all good and well when one is young- when still trying to navigate one's way through life. As the parent serves as supporter to help the child come into themselves and be more emotionally independent.

But at her age, this can be crippling and enabling as something has got to give.

This sense of "entitlement" is learned from your response to it.And it is not an overnight thing but something diligently constructed by the result of your relationship with her over a long period of time.

So she has learned that if she presses certain buttons, her needs will be met. As she grows older and establishes relationships with others. She will project this same need of "take care of me. Love me" to other people with often painful and mixed results. And you will not always be there to hold her hand.

Unless she becomes emotionally aware of her own thought pattern and in what way she feels "wounded", she may go through her life trying to get the cup to fill. Which with Chiron involved, hardly ever does when one expects the great "other" to fill it.

Chiron-Moon conjunct is the search for the great "Mother goddess". Or the individual can become the energy and give this much needed emotional connection that they feel they have never had to others-thereby ironically putting this wound to a more stable place.

posted June 25, 2016 09:46 AM            

I can see control issues in the dynamice between my daughter and I but, unlike you (Venus2tinkerbell) feeling the need to take care of your mom, I feel that in our situation it's more of her always wanting to be the leader / in control (even as a little kid). KInd of like "you don't tell me how it is - I tell you"... Which wasn't happening then and isn't now. I was raised that you respect your parents... You might be 20, 30, 50 years old but mom and dad are --mom and dad--. You do not disrespect them.

While I am not without issues, I do not call her for help (mostly because I do not want to burden my kid with my problems). However, being mom and also being the only stable family memeber she has, she calls me for everything... Which I don't always enjoy but I am okay with because - she is my kid.

The pattern is she will call and ask for advice and then gets mad when I do not tell her what she wants to hear. Then tells me to mind my own business ... When she is the one that called me in the first place.

Or, she calls for help and I oblige only for a few days to pass and something will set her off and she is spiteful and rude. Short term memory when it comes to those things. I do not expect her to bow down to me but a little gratitude would be nice. Maybe appreciate it instead or expect it.

As of now, we aren't talking (her choice) and despite me trying to contact her to see my grandson (who I am extremely close to) - she will not respond to me.

Sorry, this is turning in to a vent session. :/

posted June 25, 2016 06:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Hello Ann7,

Moon -Chiron conjunct. "I dont feel connected to anyone or anything. I feel that no one really cares for me " and this is how the native may continue to gravitate towards feelin throughout their life.

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I have the conjunction in the 8th, in Taurus, and this is how I feel too. Mine is unaspected, so maybe that contributes to feeling this way.

I also feel resentment towards my mother - complicated family history, and she is an Aqua with moon in Aqua. My resentment comes from her never being there for me emotionally, she never took responsibility for what happened to me as a child; as a result, she always denies my emotional states, it's as if she feels so guilty when I am depressed, that she has to pretend that it isn't happening.

That being said, you shouldn't be a doormat. It has taken me a long time to realize that setting boundaries does not mean abandonment, I think that this is an issue that most parents struggle with.

posted June 27, 2016 02:21 PM            

I feel your pain! My husband's daughter (only 9) can be the most manipulative, ungrateful person there is. She demands attention, money, things 24/7 and if she doesn't get what she wants. It's like she's a bottomless pit sometimes and NOTHING fills it up.

She's a Cancer Asc, Moon.

posted June 27, 2016 06:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Ann7:
Maria thank you for your input, I'm so sorry for your hurt. ❤️

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Thank you so much, your comment meant a lot to me. I only recently began feeling my way though my childhood issues, and it's a bumpy road.

posted June 28, 2016 12:38 PM            

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Originally posted by maira:
Thank you so much, your comment meant a lot to me. I only recently began feeling my way though my childhood issues, and it's a bumpy road.

Here's an article about Moon Chiron contacts that I always found very helpful http://theinnerwheel.com/2012/10/19/the-endless-hunger-of-chiron-moon-part-one/

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Thank you for sharing the link, it was very informative! My daughter has always battled feeling like she didn't fit but foryunately made friends with all of the other kids that suffered from the same thing (making one big, eclectic group that seeems to fit together perfectly). So much of the article was bang on!

posted June 28, 2016 02:26 PM            

With the Moon in Cancer (an already moody and strongly emotional sign) conjunct Chiron emotions will be high, especially the sensitivity on both sides (like you said) and moods will change quickly and strongly like the tides. Don't lose hope though, when this energy is used right it can be a great aspect between mother and child. I didn't always appreciate it when I was younger, but now that I'm out of the house for a few years I can always count on her when I need her.