posted July 29, 2016 12:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Lucia23:
i misunderstood something you wrote earlier (or in another thread?) and thought that you were employed and could cover rent etc on your own.

I agree that saddling yourself with a bunch of debt is a bad idea!

What were you doing around age 18, "traditional" college age? A couple of years before that age, getting a college scholarship was probably my #3 priority in life (right after art and romance). there are programs that offer generous financial aid to a majority of their students. Also, many programs have hours and schedules that make it possible to work and go to school at the same time.

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posted July 29, 2016 02:35 PM            

I agree that CA is pricier and you need a good plan to keep afloat there (like a massage therapy credential, and a friend to live with who will split rent and expenses with you)---one good thing about federal student loans if you're in a short program where you'll make a living afterwards is that you can borrow enough to cover housing and living expenses at a very low interest rate. You could even pay it off before it comes due, making it a zero-interest loan and allowing you to live in your own modest place while in massage school.

posted July 29, 2016 09:27 PM            

I read that having Saturn transiting in the 4th house isn't associated with moving not unless Uranus was the transiting planet. But because I have Uranus in the 4th house I still may have the desire to relocate?

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Originally posted by Lucia23:

I don't understand why you don't live on your own where you are now if you're working--you're not in the priciest part of the country, you have no children to support, and it seems like you could easily get a studio or sublet or something as you figure out your next steps. Right now, you're sending your parents and yourself the strong message that you aren't an adult and you can't support yourself---but you ARE an adult and you CAN support yourself.

I agree that CA is pricier and you need a good plan to keep afloat there (like a massage therapy credential, and a friend to live with who will split rent and expenses with you)---one good thing about federal student loans if you're in a short program where you'll make a living afterwards is that you can borrow enough to cover housing and living expenses at a very low interest rate. You could even pay it off before it comes due, making it a zero-interest loan and allowing you to live in your own modest place while in massage school.

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posted July 31, 2016 09:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Lucia23:
I like the description on that thread. I think the Sagittarius (long-distance travel) will affect your desires during Saturn Return #1, but the more important component is doing the necessary inner work, so that you become an adult. it's not about when or whether you relocate geographically--it's about making those decisions for yourself, rather than making them with your parents.

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posted August 02, 2016 07:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Lucia23:

I don't understand why you don't live on your own where you are now if you're working--you're not in the priciest part of the country, you have no children to support, and it seems like you could easily get a studio or sublet or something as you figure out your next steps. Right now, you're sending your parents and yourself the strong message that you aren't an adult and you can't support yourself---but you ARE an adult and you CAN support yourself.

I agree that CA is pricier and you need a good plan to keep afloat there (like a massage therapy credential, and a friend to live with who will split rent and expenses with you)---one good thing about federal student loans if you're in a short program where you'll make a living afterwards is that you can borrow enough to cover housing and living expenses at a very low interest rate. You could even pay it off before it comes due, making it a zero-interest loan and allowing you to live in your own modest place while in massage school.

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posted August 02, 2016 09:43 AM            

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Originally posted by kewf1988:
This. Also, are your parents Pluto Virgos? Because that generation is the generation of the "helicopter parents", and one of the characteristics of Virgo is micromanaging. They see that as trying to help you, though it can be annoying to people who don't have that energy (everybody who's older in my family is Pluto Leo outside of my Pluto Libra older cousins, and there isn't that micromanaging energy in them at all). You have Moon in Aquarius, so basically you NEED that freedom too...

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posted August 04, 2016 06:43 AM            

I'm sure they love you very much and the 3 of you have got caught up into an unhealthy control cycle. (Read the Celestine Prophecy). An adult response is, "thank you for your concern, I know you care but I have to live my own life and this includes learning from experience and taking risks."

Of course you should move out also. Maybe stay with your friend for a few weeks, separate yourself. Pluto ruling the 4th speaks for itself but this situation has occurred because on some level you equate control with concern.

posted August 04, 2016 12:07 PM            

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Originally posted by waxlobster:
Child of Venus, they are still controlling because you let them be.

I'm sure they love you very much and the 3 of you have got caught up into an unhealthy control cycle. (Read the Celestine Prophecy). An adult response is, "thank you for your concern, I know you care but I have to live my own life and this includes learning from experience and taking risks."

Of course you should move out also. Maybe stay with your friend for a few weeks, separate yourself. Pluto ruling the 4th speaks for itself but this situation has occurred because on some level you equate control with concern.

With Saturn opposing your Mars for the final pass you feel confined now and it should give you the impetus to move out. If you make your own decisions clearly, then will respect you.

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posted August 06, 2016 08:51 AM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
I doubt they will respect my decision in regards to moving. I wouldn't feel to restricted if they would let me go places.

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This is the lesson you need to learn. Parents "let" you do something when you are NINE, not nineteen, let alone almost thirty!!!!

Waxlobster said it very well--did you read that post?

posted August 06, 2016 04:20 PM            

From what I can gather it looks like your parents have one vision of what they want there daughter to become.

While you have a different vision.

I'm not your dad, but as a Gemini I wouldn't be convinced that going to college for a 10 month Massage Therapy program is worth it.

Better off putting the time into getting a degree in medicine instead thats most likely why he said not to rush.

Those 10 month degrees are "Micky Mouse Degrees" only meant to generate revenue for the prospective school.

If you don't find employment within 10 months there will be another batch of candidates competing for the same jobs.

I wouldn't want my daughter to throw her life away like that.

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
.... I'm almost 30 years old I don't think I should really waste anymore time trying to be in college for years and years.

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It depends on the program Bachelor of Arts are a waste of time. For Science and Engineering the average age is much higher and you can easily get related employment within your first year.

Its a terrible economy and you have people going back at much higher ages to start over.

But I can understand the frustration with your parents, I was originally going to post because I assumed were in the similar situation.

My parents never wanted me to continue school. In the tech field you have to keep upgrading, they just wanted me to be permanent in some lousy gov job were they assume you have a job for life.

I've been explaining that theres budget cuts and to balance the budget there cutting people. They can't raise taxes but they can cut internal costs ie gov jobs and now one wants to employ government people as they have the perception of being lazy.

I've been telling them that for years.

Fortunately, I stayed in school to upgrade and you can call me a software engineer next summer much better then a low level code monkey.

I don't need them after that point and I saved enough money to say F*ck u and get a house.

If your parents are smart they should talk to you about some kinda of long term plan
that satisfies all three parties.

As there is the potential for bitterness between you and your parents if things don't get sorted out now!!!.

posted August 06, 2016 10:01 PM            

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Originally posted by DualGem:
I'm glad I read the entire thread before commenting.

From what I can gather it looks like your parents have one vision of what they want there daughter to become.

While you have a different vision.

I'm not your dad, but as a Gemini I wouldn't be convinced that going to college for a 10 month Massage Therapy program is worth it.

Better off putting the time into getting a degree in medicine instead thats most likely why he said not to rush.

Those 10 month degrees are "Micky Mouse Degrees" only meant to generate revenue for the prospective school.

If you don't find employment within 10 months there will be another batch of candidates competing for the same jobs.

I wouldn't want my daughter to throw her life away like that.

It depends on the program Bachelor of Arts are a waste of time. For Science and Engineering the average age is much higher and you can easily get related employment within your first year.

Its a terrible economy and you have people going back at much higher ages to start over.

But I can understand the frustration with your parents, I was originally going to post because I assumed were in the similar situation.

My parents never wanted me to continue school. In the tech field you have to keep upgrading, they just wanted me to be permanent in some lousy gov job were they assume you have a job for life.

I've been explaining that theres budget cuts and to balance the budget there cutting people. They can't raise taxes but they can cut internal costs ie gov jobs and now one wants to employ government people as they have the perception of being lazy.

I've been telling them that for years.

Fortunately, I stayed in school to upgrade and you can call me a software engineer next summer much better then a low level code monkey.

I don't need them after that point and I saved enough money to say F*ck u and get a house.

If your parents are smart they should talk to you about some kinda of long term plan
that satisfies all three parties.

As there is the potential for bitterness between you and your parents if things don't get sorted out now!!!.

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Gemini Sun,
Capricorn Rising
Aries Moon
Gemini Mercury
Venus Taurus
Mars Cancer

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posted August 07, 2016 02:26 AM            

If not, then you might want to ask yourself why you feel the need to live with them. Are they poisonous/toxic to you? If not, then I don't see a problem.

If they are poisonous/toxic to you, then there's no gray area in this type of situation, you either stay, or you either leave. I wish I could say there's a magic pill, but there's no fast route out here.

posted August 07, 2016 02:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
Can I ask you, why you haven't moved out yet? Do you have a physical health problem? A mental health problem? Do you lack a high school diploma? Is it hard to find work in your area/city/neighborhood/state?

If not, then you might want to ask yourself why you feel the need to live with them. Are they poisonous/toxic to you? If not, then I don't see a problem.

If they are poisonous/toxic to you, then there's no gray area in this type of situation, you either stay, or you either leave. I wish I could say there's a magic pill, but there's no fast route out here.

You either get a job, and leave. Or you either get the school degree you want, then get a job, then leave. Good luck!

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Not to sure if your referring to me or ChildofVenus?

I have a community College diploma, finishing a University Degree.

In my case they were toxic because they wanted to limit my growth.

They never wanted me to go beyond a University degree, they figured a community college diploma was good enough.

I only stayed at home so I can save enough money to get the University degree and be able to go the next step.

This is because neither of my parents really got where they where today by working honestly.

My mom got her job by replacing someone who was on sick leave and got permanent because she was cheaper.

My dad got his job without having full requirements.

Karma comes back to bite you thats why I don't think the same as them.

posted August 07, 2016 03:01 AM            

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Originally posted by DualGem:
Not to sure if your referring to me or ChildofVenus?

I have a community College diploma, finishing a University Degree.

In my case they were toxic because they wanted to limit my growth.

They never wanted me to go beyond a University degree, they figured a community college diploma was good enough.

I only stayed at home so I can save enough money to get the University degree and be able to go the next step.

There mentality is you don't need education or skills to find a job. Which isn't the case anymore. Perhaps maybe low entry level jobs such as McDonalds.

This is because neither of my parents really got where they where today by working honestly.

My mom got her job by replacing someone who was on sick leave and got permanent because she was cheaper.

My dad got his job without having full requirements.

Karma comes back to bite you thats why I don't think the same as them.

In ChildofVenus case theres not to sure of her long term plans.

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Gemini Sun,
Capricorn Rising
Aries Moon
Gemini Mercury
Venus Taurus
Mars Cancer

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posted August 07, 2016 03:21 AM            

My mom has a BA Economics, not from N.America its the equivalent of a General Degree.

As mentioned she replaced someone on leave because she was cheaper. When the person returned from there leave they essentially lost there job to her.

After that she pretty much just learned on the job even with people that have much higher experience or education then her.
Her job isn't very intellectual anyway anyone can memorize it.

Thats why she thinks education is pointless.

So she expects me to do the same, some fields require intimate knowledge and unique skill sets.

For example Impostor doctors don't last long before they are caught and theres alot more controls now.

karma comes back at you....

The karma is neither of them can go beyond were they are right now, but they don't understand that and thats something I want to avoid.

They've tried to find other jobs, but they don't realize they lack the qualifications and "cheating" your way is not a substitute.

She's tried to get jobs that require an MBA with only a BA General in Economics and cheat her way.

My field requires you to really know what your doing.

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Gemini Sun,
Capricorn Rising
Aries Moon
Gemini Mercury
Venus Taurus
Mars Cancer

posted August 07, 2016 03:57 AM            

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Originally posted by DualGem:
I apologizes for the long story...

My mom has a BA Economics, not from N.America its the equivalent of a General Degree.

As mentioned she replaced someone on leave because she was cheaper. When the person returned from there leave they essentially lost there job to her.

After that she pretty much just learned on the job even with people that have much higher experience or education then her.
Her job isn't very intellectual anyway anyone can memorize it.

Thats why she thinks education is pointless.

So she expects me to do the same, some fields require intimate knowledge and unique skill sets.

For example Impostor doctors don't last long before they are caught and theres alot more controls now.

karma comes back at you....

The karma is neither of them can go beyond were they are right now, but they don't understand that and thats something I want to avoid.

They've tried to find other jobs, but they don't realize they lack the qualifications and "cheating" your way is not a substitute.

She's tried to get jobs that require an MBA with only a BA General in Economics and cheat her way.

My field requires you to really know what your doing.

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Gemini Sun,
Capricorn Rising
Aries Moon
Gemini Mercury
Venus Taurus
Mars Cancer

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posted August 07, 2016 04:29 AM            

The classes for dental assisting are short because it's a specific school where they actually train you for the job. Instead of having to take so many other classes. But when I go back to college for Dental Hygiene it'll take a little longer.

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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
Can I ask you, why you haven't moved out yet? Do you have a physical health problem? A mental health problem? Do you lack a high school diploma? Is it hard to find work in your area/city/neighborhood/state?

If not, then you might want to ask yourself why you feel the need to live with them. Are they poisonous/toxic to you? If not, then I don't see a problem.

If they are poisonous/toxic to you, then there's no gray area in this type of situation, you either stay, or you either leave. I wish I could say there's a magic pill, but there's no fast route out here.

You either get a job, and leave. Or you either get the school degree you want, then get a job, then leave. Good luck!

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posted August 07, 2016 02:32 PM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
No I don't have any mental or physical issues. I did graduate from high school and I do currently work. I could save and move out. But I know my parents would have something to say about that. Hence the reason why I stated I am going to take classes to become a Dental Assitant which takes a year. Then once I move out I'll go back to college for Dental Hygiene. My parents are just too restrictive. Maybe that could be toxic in a sense? They give me a hard time about doing certain things. I like to travel but they don't like me traveling alone. I'm the only child so that's another reason why they are so protective.

The classes for dental assisting are short because it's a specific school where they actually train you for the job. Instead of having to take so many other classes. But when I go back to college for Dental Hygiene it'll take a little longer.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
[b]Can I ask you, why you haven't moved out yet? Do you have a physical health problem? A mental health problem? Do you lack a high school diploma? Is it hard to find work in your area/city/neighborhood/state?

If not, then you might want to ask yourself why you feel the need to live with them. Are they poisonous/toxic to you? If not, then I don't see a problem.

If they are poisonous/toxic to you, then there's no gray area in this type of situation, you either stay, or you either leave. I wish I could say there's a magic pill, but there's no fast route out here.

You either get a job, and leave. Or you either get the school degree you want, then get a job, then leave. Good luck!

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Although, I do find that them 'having something to say' about you going to school sounds suspicious to me. Don't most parents want their child to climb even higher?

It also could be, on some unconscious level, you feel it's time for you to move out, leave the nest, although you don't know it on a conscious level. You're 29, it's normal to want to be independent of one's parents, sometimes as early as 15.

posted August 08, 2016 10:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
[b]No I don't have any mental or physical issues. I did graduate from high school and I do currently work. I could save and move out. But I know my parents would have something to say about that. Hence the reason why I stated I am going to take classes to become a Dental Assitant which takes a year. Then once I move out I'll go back to college for Dental Hygiene. My parents are just too restrictive. Maybe that could be toxic in a sense? They give me a hard time about doing certain things. I like to travel but they don't like me traveling alone. I'm the only child so that's another reason why they are so protective.

The classes for dental assisting are short because it's a specific school where they actually train you for the job. Instead of having to take so many other classes. But when I go back to college for Dental Hygiene it'll take a little longer.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
[b]Can I ask you, why you haven't moved out yet? Do you have a physical health problem? A mental health problem? Do you lack a high school diploma? Is it hard to find work in your area/city/neighborhood/state?

If not, then you might want to ask yourself why you feel the need to live with them. Are they poisonous/toxic to you? If not, then I don't see a problem.

If they are poisonous/toxic to you, then there's no gray area in this type of situation, you either stay, or you either leave. I wish I could say there's a magic pill, but there's no fast route out here.

You either get a job, and leave. Or you either get the school degree you want, then get a job, then leave. Good luck!

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Although, I do find that them 'having something to say' about you going to school sounds suspicious to me. Don't most parents want their child to climb even higher?

It also could be, on some unconscious level, you feel it's time for you to move out, leave the nest, although you don't know it on a conscious level. You're 29, it's normal to want to be independent of one's parents, sometimes as early as 15.

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posted August 10, 2016 08:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Lucia23:
This is the lesson you need to learn. Parents "let" you do something when you are NINE, not nineteen, let alone almost thirty!!!!

Waxlobster said it very well--did you read that post?

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posted August 11, 2016 08:22 AM            

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Originally posted by waxlobster:
Child of Venus, they are still controlling because you let them be.

I'm sure they love you very much and the 3 of you have got caught up into an unhealthy control cycle. (Read the Celestine Prophecy). An adult response is, "thank you for your concern, I know you care but I have to live my own life and this includes learning from experience and taking risks."

Of course you should move out also. Maybe stay with your friend for a few weeks, separate yourself. Pluto ruling the 4th speaks for itself but this situation has occurred because on some level you equate control with concern.

With Saturn opposing your Mars for the final pass you feel confined now and it should give you the impetus to move out. If you make your own decisions clearly, then will respect you.

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