posted August 08, 2016 04:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
@aquagembaby OMG I have a chart of a friend of mine that is literally almost exactly the same. Libra Ascendant with Moon in Libra in 12th, everything. They were both born on the exact same day

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posted August 08, 2016 04:33 AM            

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Originally posted by aquagembaby:
Haha wow interesting. Is your friend super popular and has a lot of friends of the opposite sex?

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Well supposedly she says that people always wants to talk to her, but considering her Scorpio stellium, she's not a big-time people person and often tells me about how much she hates people. She has a lot of male friends yes, me included lol.

posted August 08, 2016 05:19 AM            

The ruler of the 1st is Venus and conjuncts the Nodal axis in Scorpio: Marking this need for self expresion and authenticity very high on the priority list.

Guys i swear there is something in that North node/planet connection .Really.

It may not be that everyone with aspects between their planets and North Node wants a sex chnage. But what i am meaning here is the intent of the life lived.

I will say it again that having a sex change has little to do with trying to make a statement,beibg "weird"or being "different". Its about wanting to live out your own truth.

This wanting to live out your own truth connection to the nodal axis means that there could be resistance because it is not collectively seen as "appropriate" either by family,culture,gender role etc.

But the natal placement has got to be expressed. Whether the world(North node) agrees or not. Especially if it rules the 1st house, or in Mars,Sun,Jupiter and Pluto

Oscar Wilde was ahead of his time and certainly life for him was not easy. But he had to be himself and was even quoted as saying "be yourself because everyone else is taken"

posted August 08, 2016 07:47 AM            

So I wonder if the main issue isn't about sexuality as much as it's about general confusion, which includes sexuality under the umbrella.

Society gets more confusing all the time, so it's no wonder people are confused about their sexuality along with everything else.

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Hmm this article refutes the idea that regret is common: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brynn-tannehill/myths-about-transition-regrets_b_6160 626.html

I consider all people fundamentally equal and respect them, and do not consider myself above any transgendered person. However I find it hard to understand. Seems the perceived need for this treatment did not exist until the treatment became widely accessible and socially supported, and now the so-called need is growing disproportionately.

posted August 08, 2016 08:12 AM            

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At entry into the study (baseline), the most common comorbidity in both groups was depression, with a 24.9% incidence in MTF subjects and 13.6% in FTM, according to Dr. Asscheman. He noted, however, that the frequency of depression varied greatly among the study centers.

Even after treatment, 26 (2.4%) of the MTF subjects and 7 (1.4%) of the FTM subjects still reported depression, leading Dr. Asscheman to tell the large audience, "Sex-reassignment treatment does not cure depression."

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I suppose that if depression is common amongst people who get sex changes, we might look at moon-Saturn aspects.

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Transgender hormone administration also may play a causal role in depression. Because hormones are powerful chemicals, an increase or decrease in dosage can bring on changes in mood. Transgender persons and their physicians need to recognise that routine laboratory testing of blood-based hormone levels helps insure that dosages are effective, yet not so high as to create debilitating mood swings or dangerous medical complications. Gradual changes in hormone dosages are a sensible precaution that provide an opportunity for physical and emotional adjustment. Also, individuals who are initiating hormone administration frequently are poorly prepared for the emotional changes that go with it. These persons are encouraged to adjust their thinking and seek support for their needs much as women do during menopause. This is particularly so for transgender women who choose to cycle their hormones so as to mimic the biological rhythms genetic women experience.

Lastly, care providers need to be aware that a lack of access to hormones also produces high rates of depression, emotional mood swings, and occasionally suicidal feelings. This is particularly so when public institutions, and medical or mental health providers deny transgender persons access to hormones because it is against policy or care provider staff are unfamiliar with gender-identity issues. Transgender persons should not be denied access to hormones or cut-off from pre-existing prescriptions solely because a care provider is disinterested or unfamiliar in supporting transgender persons. Transgender hormone administration is a routine medical procedure and transgender persons are no less entitled to informed medical care than other patients.

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posted August 08, 2016 11:55 AM            

I agree with your concerns, Faith. In my opinion, the real problem is a society that forces people into two sex categories when humans are born all along a spectrum. Maybe if we didn't have those categories, people would be happier and comfortable in our bodies? I care about this issue, but am very gender conforming myself. But now that I think about it, that's another reason Aqua/Uranus fits--revolutionizing preconceived social categories?

posted August 08, 2016 01:15 PM            

This is only somewhat related but I have noticed in the charts of gay men that almost all of them have a hard Moon-Pluto aspect or a Scorpio Moon. This is very often accompanied by a Venus-Mercury conjunction. Two other aspects are a New Moon and a hard Mars-Pluto aspect in the natal chart.

posted August 08, 2016 03:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Lucia23:
I agree with your concerns, Faith. In my opinion, the real problem is a society that forces people into two sex categories when humans are born all along a spectrum.

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Exactly.

Also from what I understand, a lot of intersex people resent the "normalizing" surgeries performed on them without their consent as infants. And they resent the LGBTQ label which excludes them.

I could never understand the desire to switch genders because I never had that. It didn't even come up as a choice on the menu when I was a kid.

I mean no disrespect but I honestly am starting to think that anything goes with people, as they try and push their boundaries and be more than what they are. People who've lived as both genders have covered more territory. It seems like a curiosity and adventuring thing, on some level.

If that's the underlying impetus, no wonder ALL options get explored. Just like strapping a board to an infant's head or foot-binding, people like to play with the plasticity of the human form. People attach a lot of significant to these changes which in hindsight and from different vantage points look almost comical. I think there are people who believe they were born the wrong species?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species_dysphoria

So I say I'm a moose and find a doctor who will implant antlers and that will heal me, the idea goes something like that?

Well again...what's actually happening? The person wants to occupy more than themselves. They want to transmogrify. Sometimes it seems the central issue is just being unable to grasp that the soul is eternal and the body is just transient anyway.

posted August 08, 2016 04:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Why does anything unusual = Aquarius/Uranus?

If there are any patterns, I believe Sun square ASC is part of it.

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Because Uranus avoids polarities, and represents everything that is "out of the norm" and exceeds the usual typical social conditions and thereby changing them.

posted August 08, 2016 06:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
Well supposedly she says that people always wants to talk to her, but considering her Scorpio stellium, she's not a big-time people person and often tells me about how much she hates people. She has a lot of male friends yes, me included lol.

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Interesting. My friend says that he's actually a quiet and private person, yet he's constantly traveling and making new friends and hanging out w/ people lol.

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Your friend has Sun,Venus and Jupiter conjunct the Nodal axis.

The ruler of the 1st is Venus and conjuncts the Nodal axis in Scorpio: Marking this need for self expresion and authenticity very high on the priority list.

Guys i swear there is something in that North node/planet connection .Really.

It may not be that everyone with aspects between their planets and North Node wants a sex chnage. But what i am meaning here is the intent of the life lived.

I will say it again that having a sex change has little to do with trying to make a statement,beibg "weird"or being "different". Its about wanting to live out your own truth.

This wanting to live out your own truth connection to the nodal axis means that there could be resistance because it is not collectively seen as "appropriate" either by family,culture,gender role etc.

But the natal placement has got to be expressed. Whether the world(North node) agrees or not. Especially if it rules the 1st house, or in Mars,Sun,Jupiter and Pluto

Oscar Wilde was ahead of his time and certainly life for him was not easy. But he had to be himself and was even quoted as saying "be yourself because everyone else is taken"

He has Sun inconjunct North Node exact,Uranus conjunct North Node and Mercury(ruler of his 1st) forms an opposition to it.

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Do you think it's b/c the nodal axis is ultimately your path in this life, or what you're "meant" to be?

posted August 09, 2016 03:19 AM            

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Originally posted by aquagembaby:
Do you think it's b/c the nodal axis is ultimately your path in this life, or what you're "meant" to be?

And why is it that living out the nodal axis is deemed inappropriate by society?

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"Meant" to be almost suggets that one is pushed towards it and that it is not through conscious choosing.

But the North node is intrinsically embedded within us -even those who have it in the same sign and not by aspect may experience some sort of rejection for expressing themselves at some point in their life through progression.

Or if not outright rejection, then atleast the "weirdo" label etc.because you are debunking the safety of what is known and accepted. And people dont like that.

For me its like when you have a passion for exploring and the society you are born in does not explore. Infact, they may even consider exploration as "demonic"

Naturally, if you explore far and wide enough, you soon discover things that contradict what you have been taught,what others think is "true" and what the elders say.

Now what happens is that you are faced with a dilemma: do i abandon this inner passion of mine and conform? Or do i dare to be different ? Even if that means opposing what is "accepted"?

Many of us may naturally choose a less disruptive way to get along with what is accepted. But if the Nodal axis is aspected by progression or natally, the inner self CANNOT be ignored. It must just "be", regardless of what others think.

I hear what Faith is saying about people regretting changing their sex. But here i am not speaking of people who are ambivalent, undecided,conflicted or vulnerable to external influence and therefore wanting to desperately "belong".

My understanding of sex change is that one does not do it in order to "conform" to what is expected i.e label or fit into a category.

One does it because it is consistent with ones inner feelings and inner view of what one is.Regardless of external opinion or condemnation.

The Nodal axis may not point directly to sex change, nor to being a revolutionary .But when the aspects are there ,one does feel that they are somewhat flowing "against the current". And this may lead to the subsequent rejection by society,church,family,nationality,group etc.

Here i am not just referring to sexuality, but to other forms of non conformance to mainstream doctrine i.e ideals,religious practices , philosophies etc. Can all be subject to two choices ;1. either accept and conform or 2. reject and be condemned.

Even in the seemingly "rational" and "progressive" scientifc world, this rejection of contradicting the dominant mainstream,is also liable to similar forms of humiliation and punishment.

Was it not Galileo Galilei who said that the earth was moving around the Sun and NOT the Sun moving around the earth? And what happened to him?

Ridicule, imprisonment and denial of his idea because it was not consistant with the belief of the church nor the mainstream. Therefore even akin to heresy?

Yes, he had the sheer audacity of the Moon in Aries- which is seldom ever wanting to travel a conventional track and can defend itself and challenge others(in his case the church). But he also had Neptune in Gemini inconjunct with North node in Cap exact.

Nikola Tesla did not face such a harsh opposition to his ideas and inventions. Maybe because of his more passive style as Moon in Libra/Mars conjunct?

But he most certainly was a "weirdo" and very much ahead of his time. Nor did he enjoy the same notoriety and fame as other inventors(even though it was surely deserved in his case).

Sun,Moon, Venus and Mars formed aspects to his North node in Aries.

posted August 10, 2016 11:53 AM            

Without question, Mercury here [6S35] is nearly exactly parallel Pluto [6S33], and is the tightest aspect in the chart. So Pluto becomes the focus immediately if only the declinations are viewed.

Let's say the time is relatively accurate, around 4 AM. That Asc 11LIB42 has a declination of 4S38. Pluto's declination is 6S33. So if this chart should really be timed at 4:10 AM, the Asc = 14° Libra, declination 5S37, within range of parallel to Pluto. With Pluto that close to an Asc created by a rounded hour (but relatively accurate) time, it cannot be ignored.

This is another lesson in declinations, and how important it is to understand you cannot squeeze everything pertinent out of the longitudes of the flat wheel chart, which does not accurately represent the sky or the reality of a person's astrology, their personality or their life. Its missing vital information in almost every birth chart.

Also, a forward movement of the Asc starts to bring it closer to squares to Uranus and Neptune, both of which I cited previously as potential factors when a person's identity and gender are so much in question or out of sync with how they feel that they want to change it.

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The Nodal Axis is largely irrelevant as to the question of gender queerness/change, since Venus was within that range of the N.Node since Sept. 24th of that year. That is 5 weeks of calendar time. Are we to believe that all those folks born then, or all those born with Libra or Taurus rising (Venus ruled) had gender change issues? Of course not.

I won't even address Jupiter's presence near the N.Node, because that is wholly irrelevant here, since it was near it for many more weeks.

Having the benefics near the N.Node is a very positive, helpful influence -- not challenging in any way. It has nothing to do with gender identity or sex change.

GENDER IDENTITY / Sex Change relates to:

--> Asc/1st house: my identity/self, subjective self-identity related to the body; bodily expression and persona.

--> Moon: how I feel inside, which relates to need; what is inside that must be expressed; the water element that forms 70% of our bodily structure and is in every cell, so an unbreakable connection to biological cellular existence.

--> Pluto aspects, especially strong ones: conjunctions, parallels, squares, oppositions, contra-parallels; transformation of the self/identity, and struggles of personal empowerment, the ability to 'make over' the self regardless of societal expectations.

--> Neptune and/or Uranus aspects (same): uncertain identity, maladjustment, self-doubt (Neptune); eccentricity, need for liberation from expectations that negate self-identity (Uranus).

posted September 09, 2016 12:13 AM            

Many can identify with previous lifetimes, and those genders they were in. If a soul was predominantly born as one gender, and born into another in a next life and broke the cycle. They would identify highly with the gender they were most in their previous lives.

I would also say Sun/Moon/Asc aspects

Especially harsh aspect - it would honestly cause serious inner conflict.