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Topic: Hard To Explain--What Do You THink
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DualGem
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From: Toronto and Area, Leaving Ottawa
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posted August 07, 2016 11:57 PM
  
I have this placement.
Mercury in Gemini trine Pluto in Scorpio
and I've partnered up with Scorpio Mercury people.I agree there are some similarities.
Both the Mercury in Gemini and Scorpio are logical, but the Scorpio has intuition built in. The best was a math major I partnered with, he was so logical and perfect he would point out and correct my rare mistakes. Awesome to work with!!!. I would say the Gemini mercury is a burst of clever logic while the Scorpio is intuitive logic. Sorta like General Guderian (Gemini) who was a cleaver tactician that evolved the blitzkrieg idea vs General Rommel ( Scorpio) that used blitzkrieg intuitively. Both Gemini and Scorpio mercury have the same idea, but it comes out slightly differently. ====================================
Gemini Sun,
Capricorn Rising
Aries Moon
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Electro DGX
Knowflake Posts: 1127
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posted August 08, 2016 12:37 AM
A way that I can go about describing it is by using two different aspects and sign placements and explaining how they're not the same, as already done in the thread lol. For my example, I have Scorpio Mars conjunct Ascendant. It's similar to an Aries Mars, yet it's not the same. They are both ruled by Mars traditionally though, and they both have to do with the self, so how would they be different? Well first off, the fact that the planets themselves are in two different signs already determines the differences. Mars in Scorpio is deep, intuitive, powerful, and piercing compared to Aries Mars which is outwardly aggressive, impulsive, makes snap decisions and is often one-track minded in which they are always focusing on the next thing on the list. With the Scorpio Mars conjunct the Ascendant, the expression of this energy would be like an Aries Mars, being outwardly aggressive and all, but it would be in the manner of a Scorpio. It is a Scorpio's way of outwardly expressing their anger, therefore making it much different from an Aries Mars. Another example would be Aquarius Mercury conjunct Neptune vs. Mercury in Pisces. As for the Aquarius Mercury, they'll dive into topics in a logical, detached manner and logically make conclusions based on their logic, being unique to add on, whereas the Pisces Mercury will feel their way through the topic and try to understand it through their feelings and perception in contrast to logic. The Aquarius Mercury conjunct Neptune will be able to have a creative wit and be able to tune into the abstract frequencies of Neptune, but it will be in a Uranian way because both of the planets are in Aquarius. They can be similar, but they are NOT the same. EDIT: I keep coming back to this thread realizing that there are so many different accountable factors in determining planetary positions and their effects that trying to explain it all would be pointless. I don't have the time and drive to verbally put out that much lol
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@lycat74
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posted August 08, 2016 12:47 AM
The sign is the main dish (mercury in Pisces or mercury in Scorpio)The planet is the flavor/seasoning (mercury trine Neptune or mercury trine Pluto). This is not to say that the sign is more important than the planet. I am not saying that at all. I feel planets/aspects shows/gives more details/information than just the signs. With difficult aspects being more complex and easier aspects being simpler. IP: Logged |
aquagembaby
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posted August 08, 2016 03:41 AM
Mercury trine Neptune would probably take on the 'positive' qualities of Mercury/Neptune energy b/c it's a harmonious aspect, but Mercury in Pisces would have ALL of the positive and negative qualities of Mercury/Neptune energy?(these 'positive' and 'negative' qualities can be subjective of course) IP: Logged |
headintheclouds91
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posted August 08, 2016 03:49 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I started thinking along these lines when someone asked me if I had a Pisces Mercury. I thought"Whaaaat"I feel very Gemini in my thinking due to a 4 personal planet stellium in the 9th House--Gemini Sun, Venus and Mercury and Cancer Moon. Then, I realized I had Sun and Mercury trine Neptune and they must have picked that up.
I remember i saw a vid of you once and you came across very cancerian, i was surprised you had a gem stellium. I bet that person you speak of picked up on your cancer influence and confused it with pisces energy since these two signs can often be mistaken for each other bc of the similar soft energy they both have. IP: Logged |
nordicsoul
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posted August 08, 2016 08:27 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
OkHow would you say a mercury Trine Neptune differs from a Pisces Mercury Or a Mercury Trine Pluto differs from a Scorpio Mercury It seems hard to put into words. Any thoughts from the smartest people on the web 
i believe that are different layers of meaning. when you find mercury scorpio, aspect to pluto in 8th house, you have a theme repeated three times. Then, it is different to differentiate as all features are enmeshed. with mercury aspecting neptune and piscis neptune I would say that both have neptunian qualities. however if one person has mercury in germini square neptune, still they get the mischievous trickter in their mind even if also coloured by neptune.. you get the tricktes and the neptunian in one person...some times people split as they cannot bear the tension of conflicting features in their onw personality. then the project the part they do not like... i have mercury pluto aspect, but my mercury is gemini.. nobody would think i am scorpio mercury when they see me talking and changing gears and been curious about everything. however, when i become intense and obsessed about a topic or doing a project or something.. i still jump from one topic to the other, but also has the need to go in depths. i suffer because i want to dig a topic forever, but I am so interested in so many. if only i were mercury gemini, then I could just be superficial about everything and be happy, but pluto does not let me... so, in my view.. aspect, house and sign contribute to a portion of the picture, but none get the entire picture unless house, aspects and sign are consistent (i.e mercury in scorpio, aspect pluto, in 8th house) IP: Logged |
nordicsoul
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posted August 08, 2016 08:33 AM
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Originally posted by Gabby:
Its siimular but the trine will be focused on displaying the high side of pisces Neptune, while the actual pisces Neptune can go on either the low or high side of that energy depending on aspects.
not sure about that. I have noticed that the tension is more between planets that the type of aspect. for instance, mercury-neptune are not planets that blend well as per the nature of each planet, while saturn mercury even if in square blend better, just to give an example. of course saturn trine mercury would be more harmonic than saturn square, but when it is neptune? mercury neptune? nah... IP: Logged |
nordicsoul
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posted August 08, 2016 08:44 AM
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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
With the Scorpio Mars conjunct the Ascendant, the expression of this energy would be like an Aries Mars, being outwardly aggressive and all, but it would be in the manner of a Scorpio. It is a Scorpio's way of outwardly expressing their anger, therefore making it much different from an Aries Mars.
this is an example where i get lost.. how it would be different? my assumption is that this person will be a blend or aries-scorpio but "seeing in practical terms the concept" is where i get lost. does it make sense? how a person can be open and closed at the same time? IP: Logged |
HelixID
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posted August 08, 2016 01:46 PM
I like to think of it in terms of synastry. I think a Mercury in aspect with Neptune in a natal chart will be as prominent an energy as someone else's Pisces Mercury but they will be polar energies. The aspect person is very aware of the energy in their chart but maybe doesn't know how to deal with it, whereas the energy comes easily to the sign person. So in a way the sign person understands the aspect person, they are on the same wavelength, they complement each other coming from opposited directions.My boyfriend for example has a Sagittarius Moon and I have a pretty tight Moon-Jupiter square.
He has Moon square Venus and Mars, I have a Taurus Moon (Venusian) in the first house (Arian energy).
I don't know how to explain how it works, it's just a hunch where I feel that one person struggles with a certain energy and the other person is in control of that energy.
For example, a person has a sixth house Sun and thus has to focus on and master sixth house things in their lifetime. This would come natural to a Virgo Sun and they could help out the 6th house person. IP: Logged |
aquagembaby
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posted August 08, 2016 06:57 PM
I mean I have Mercury in Cap conjunct Neptune in Cap, and I feel that I'm pretty different from Mercury in Pisces people. I may not be as sharp in communication as others but the Capricorn does drill some sense in me. But Mercury in Pisces seems to be more ambiguous in their speech and even though I have Mercury conjunct Neptune, I find it hard to follow them in conversation.IP: Logged |
Electro DGX
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From: Plutanus/Uruno
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posted August 08, 2016 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
this is an example where i get lost.. how it would be different? my assumption is that this person will be a blend or aries-scorpio but "seeing in practical terms the concept" is where i get lost. does it make sense? how a person can be open and closed at the same time?
That's not what I'm saying though. What I'm saying is that since the Scorpio Mars is on the Ascendant, it would be outwardly expressed, but they would express it the manner of a Scorpio Mars in contrast to that of an Aries Mars. They would express their anger more openly since it is on their ascendant, and they would be more openly aggressive. ------------------
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Aquarius Sun in 4th
Gemini Moon in 8th
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nordicsoul
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posted August 10, 2016 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
That's not what I'm saying though. What I'm saying is that since the Scorpio Mars is on the Ascendant, it would be outwardly expressed, but they would express it the manner of a Scorpio Mars in contrast to that of an Aries Mars. They would express their anger more openly since it is on their ascendant, and they would be more openly aggressive.
my confusion, and i dont mean you to clarify but use your post as an example comes from diverging features in a chart. a mars in 1st house shows it. first things you see in the person is mars.. but then mars is in scorpio.. you expect a manipulative secretive acting, a strategist... how this can be so on the shop window? still struggle with this. IP: Logged |
nordicsoul
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posted August 10, 2016 10:30 AM
maybe a mars in scorpio in 1st house while a strategist and calculating-manipulative soul would be obvious to others. like people could see through them (ironic for a scorpio?)IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted August 10, 2016 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[b]Whereas the sign is a planet's essential nature with no distance. It's intrinsic. Well said, Faith. [/B]
I am with Faith here on this too. For example, I feel a venus in scorpio is more intense than a venus conjunct pluto in libra. Does this example support her point?
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Electro DGX
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posted August 10, 2016 03:37 PM
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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
maybe a mars in scorpio in 1st house while a strategist and calculating-manipulative soul would be obvious to others. like people could see through them (ironic for a scorpio?)
But I'm not speaking of just a general first house Mars, I'm speaking of Mars ON the Ascendant, which is the conjunction. It's not the same as an ordinary first house Mars because the focus is on one of the angles, which are quite potent, and the energies as such are expressed with differences in contrast to the generic first house Mars. A Mars-Ascendant conjunction is noticeably more Arian than a general first house Mars with other notable differences to be caught. Also, I don't think it would work where a first house Mars in Scorpio would somehow become transparent, that's just not how it works. ------------------
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