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Topic: Do we overcompensate our 7th House?
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Elysia
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posted August 20, 2016 10:07 PM
  
Do you think that we try extra hard to incorporate the qualities of our 7th house? For instance, an Aries 7th would make a point of standing up for themselves, and not backing down from confrontation. Maybe an Aqua 7th would focus on trying to understand the different streams of humanity and actively try to accept them? Not that we don't *have* those characteristics, it's just that we focus more on studying those traits -- if they belong to our 7th (?) If it's your Asc, it's something you already identify with, on a personal level.. You don't necessarily have to work to integrate that with your personality. Also, if you have planets in the 7th vs. not:: Do you project those planets' energies onto other people? Or do you constantly "meet", come face-to-face with that planet's energy via other people, until you deal with it (one day...)? If you don't have any planets in the 7th -- where does that energy go? Or does it make you extra-sensitive to those who *put* planets in your 7th in synastry? I've been thinking about this lately. Moved to a place where my Asc/Dsc axis is flipped. And the changes in behaviour, as well as changes in people's perceptions led me to think that this might be the case. Changed might not be the word, a layer added - more like. I am consciously trying for A:: so that's what people see, and it becomes a sort of stand-in ascendant; but naturally, underneath, it's B. I'll chime in to clarify this if you'd like. Looking forward to your responses in the meantime.. IP: Logged |
StubbornVirgo
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posted August 20, 2016 10:30 PM
I have Sun, Mercury, and Venus in my 7th. I have to be really careful with whatever energies I project because they will indeed come right back to me in the form of relationships, friendships, etc. People I meet in person tend to be a direct reflection of a quality I've been either knowingly or unknowingly projecting. I also feel like it's easier to lose yourself in the 7th house - to become so tangled up in another person that you lose sight of yourself. My Sun/Mercury/Venus all trine Neptune so that might be the reason why that can be a problem for me. I have to be careful to not get lost in a relationship. Which in turn might mean that I project more Virgo/Mercury qualities than I would if they were in another house. Almost kind of like drawing a line in the sand and saying, "This is you, and this is me." Fortunately, I have Aquarius ASC and Gemini Moon/Mars so it's not difficult to tap into a more detached mindset. But it is painful and feels unnatural. I would much rather stay lost in the 7th house. No quoting please. IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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posted August 20, 2016 10:45 PM
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Originally posted by Elysia:
Maybe an Aqua 7th would focus on trying to understand the different streams of humanity and actively try to accept them?
That's pretty much been me, especially when I was younger. It frustrates me because certain fundamental truths of humanity won't be examined due to political and religious pressures, and even many individuals are scared to look below the surface of even themselves, and thus I've felt I've reached something of an impasse (at least until I learn foreign languages, particularly those that are difficult to translate into English given the concepts and "thought flows" involved). I look back on my days when I tried to facilitate an open dialog between a survivalist militia, radical feminist witches, green anarchists, and others to focus on what they had in common and how they could peacefully coexist (even help each other out) and now laugh. It made sense to me back then (and it could work if people weren't so tribal), but I know better today. I've mixed with so many subcultures, and also got along with people from foreign cultures, even those who normally don't like Americans that much (or at least keep them at arms length for various reasons). I jokingly thought of myself as the Mole (but thought it might prove to be a good survival skill someday, allowing me to disappear fast if I needed to), but it's not that I so much infiltrated them as just showed the parts they could understand and accept...and isn't that what most people do? How was my dressing to fit in different from how people dress at home, the office, the farm, the sports game, and church? More than one argued I really did belong to their particular subculture (one even made a real good argument for it), and that by saying I didn't proved that I did.  And it's ironic how alike many groups that dislike each other are without realizing it. And for what it's worth, the people of these various groups I tend to get the closet to are Aquarius or have strong Aquarian aspects. But anyway, I thought it was my 3H Libra sun & stellium (seeking multiple views and also trying to balance and harmonize them) sextile Sag stellium (interested in the foreign and different, and able to work out a philosophy that hopefully benefits all sides), and yet I do have a 7H Aquarius (empty) as well. IP: Logged |
BeholdAstarte
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posted August 21, 2016 12:41 AM
i has Scorpio DC with Venus/Pluto conj on axis Since Venus is my chart ruler this aspect is pretty prominent in my life, I identify with it most. I feel like it's a blend of both projection and attraction and also a bit karmic when dealing with others, prolly from Scorpio/Pluto influence? I have strange pulls to certain people and vice versa, it's Venus that adds the charm and magnetism and Pluto that fuels it up and I feel like my energy can be potent, I've met so many people who mention my energy randomly, say how strong it is. Even a blind man once told me he could feel my presence next to him at the bar (I sometimes think blind Johnny had extra perception border psychic abilities, he would describe people just like he was seeing them but symbolically but they were so accurate) He didn't know it was me who was there either, he just said it was super strong. I certainly feel like a complex, spacey, floating peace of space dust and maybe that translates somehow.. It makes sense to me that with this placement my energy would be like that so I would have intense repel and attraction type themes in my relationships and encounters with others. I am very Plutonian and Venusian and I suppose attract the same in others.
I'm better about controlling my jealousy and just dominating relationships in general, I love my freedom and I try to give that in return and be fair (thankful for libra influence and venus's help!) but I do tend to stir up jealousy in EVERY one of my relationships. Insecurities usually tend to be brought up. one guy I dated who had his moon in Gemini and his Venus in Aquarius had told me that he hadn't really gotten jealous in relationships and was pretty open minded, even found himself getting jealous and possessive over me. I seem to create very intimate and deep bonds with people when I can really connect or click with a person.. So Even friends have gotten crazy possessive or jealous of my attention. But yet again, I can be like this too although I hide it well haha IP: Logged |
Pisces Plutonian
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posted August 21, 2016 01:55 AM
I personally don't incorporate the qualities of my 7th house because it's in Pisces and my sun is in Pisces, so I already feel like I have them.I only have Venus in the 7th and I notice this energy is solely showing up through other people reflecting my appearance back to me for no reason. IP: Logged |
Lucia23
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posted August 21, 2016 08:43 AM
I have Moon, Saturn (my chart ruler) and Venus in the 7th house. I would say that I most desperately want to be talented and happy in 7th house areas, but I feel most painfully thwarted in those areas. The Moon-Saturn conjunction means I feel self-conscious/pained/restricted whenever I try to express my Moon. That house is hard for me.IP: Logged |
Koniucha
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posted August 21, 2016 11:05 AM
I have my Cancer moon in my 7th house. I also have moon square Pluto.I have a strong desire to be with someone. And I think that with Pluto squaring it there, it causes me to have intense emotions directed at partners. IP: Logged |
Lerena
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posted August 21, 2016 01:29 PM
I don't feel like I have to overcompensate. I'm a Scorpio Rising with Sun and Venus in Taurus.IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee
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posted August 21, 2016 06:02 PM
No, but some folks over-think astrology.------------------
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the89freespirit
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posted August 21, 2016 06:06 PM
I have a Leo Sun in the 7th with the South Node.I did spend a part of my life making an extra effort to have a strong and exciting personality and never be boring. I am more relaxed about that now because I can now own that strong, colorful sense of self. I think its best to be your own partner through your 7th before seeking that bond with others because it allows you to be a complete person in a relationship. I am very good at entertaining myself and giving myself approval. But I still do want someone to light up my life, like I am capable of doing for myself and others. The 7th House is a mirror like that. You just have to know that its your reflection you're seeking, which is the basic purpose of Sun in the 7th. ------------------
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Elysia
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posted August 21, 2016 08:46 PM
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
No, but some folks over-think astrology.
Umm, okay  IP: Logged |
Elysia
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posted August 21, 2016 08:47 PM
Thanks everyone for your responses..!
I'm traveling for work right now.. Will come back and read properly before responding..  IP: Logged |
vertiver
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posted August 21, 2016 10:21 PM
Not all, I feel blessed to have 7th H Venus in Gemini.Even with Venus being opposed by Saturn/Uranus, it makes me unique and I don't have issues with being codependant that is for sure. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted August 22, 2016 08:45 AM
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Originally posted by Elysia:
Umm, okay
I was thinking about this yesterday. When we moved to Ohio, years ago, Mars was moved to my 7th house, but Moon, Venus, and South Node were moved to my 10th (which sounds good, and it was for a while). When that Mars was activated by transits, and my Moon/Venus/Nodes, things really kicked up in my relationships. I'm not sure if that Mars in the 7th due to my location, was a part of that, but I've become more aggressive in ways that I wasn't before, as an Aries Sun (which is why generalizations grate on me so much). My Moon is at the very end of the 7th house, and interpreted in the 8th according to astro.com - it's conjunct my 8th house Venus and SN, but I wonder if I should still look at it as being in my 7th. I can't remember what my ascendant changed to, when we moved, if it's Leo or Virgo (since my Mars is in the 7th). I'll try to remember to check later on. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted August 22, 2016 11:03 AM
Why not, Kannon? I'm interested to hear your take on the 7th house.If there's over thinking going on, it implies there's been a departure from a simple truth, right? If so, what is that truth, in your eyes? I think astrology is a very personal thing and personal explorations and thoughts are so crucial to is effectiveness in each of our lives. I myself can over think things... my 7th house is empty... Taurus... my 1st house is packed, Scorpio, with Mercury conjunct Pluto. Having been learning about the Pluto Polarity Point as per the Evolutionary Astrologers, I begin to think maybe I really need to do less thinking  ... grateful for the Taurus stellium person in my life... But that's just me personally. Some people need to think more, right? Even if some people overthink? Anyway, I think I had a dream about you. It was good, I can't remember anything really other than that your name and different manifestations of it kept cropping up. Kuan Yin. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted August 22, 2016 11:05 AM
From the89freespirit:"I think its best to be your own partner through your 7th before seeking that bond with others because it allows you to be a complete person in a relationship."  IP: Logged |
EmGem
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posted August 22, 2016 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by Lucia23:
I have Moon, Saturn (my chart ruler) and Venus in the 7th house. I would say that I most desperately want to be talented and happy in 7th house areas, but I feel most painfully thwarted in those areas. The Moon-Saturn conjunction means I feel self-conscious/pained/restricted whenever I try to express my Moon. That house is hard for me.
I feel ya. Ain't the conjunction a ***** 🙄 IP: Logged |
Soltze
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posted August 23, 2016 05:20 PM
This makes sense. I have Virgo as the 7th. And I try to be organized, responsible and cleaning stuff haha.But I'm a Gemini Sun so...these urges feel weird. IP: Logged |
girlwiththerainysoul
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posted August 23, 2016 06:30 PM
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Elysia
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posted August 29, 2016 09:30 PM
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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
I don't think the 7th house has to do with the type of lovers or friends you attract (your venus or moon may indicate that). It is what you "need" and will "give away" in a relationship.
^Great perspective! House of fair trade, shall we call it? quote:
Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
Personally with this placement, I tend to be an overall serious person, who may be childish herself (too cancery and a leo AS which laughs at own jokes!), but needs a mature partner and cannot stand childish people.
Right, mature partners, not necessarily "older partners". quote:
Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
My parents always warn me not to get involved with older men again, because in their words, if I end up marrying this guy I met recently who is 38, "I would still be young and have too much energy when he is 50 and retired!".I know I will not marry a younger boy, but I still really want my future lifelong partner to be at least 7 years older than me! lol
Lol! I know what you mean.  P.S. Love your username.. It's how I feel inside..  IP: Logged |
Elysia
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posted August 29, 2016 09:33 PM
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Originally posted by Lerena:
I don't feel like I have to overcompensate. I'm a Scorpio Rising with Sun and Venus in Taurus.
I didn't mean you have to overcompensate, because of something you lack or, overcompensate in the traditional sense at all.. Don't go by just the title, I've tried to explain in the OP -- but granted that might have been convoluted and vague-ish. IP: Logged |
Elysia
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posted August 29, 2016 09:36 PM
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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
I think its best to be your own partner through your 7th before seeking that bond with others because it allows you to be a complete person in a relationship.
Exactly! and this is closer to what I'd meant.. That those of us who are consciously on this journey, will consciously express the qualities contained therein.. Although my words were all off. Brilliantly put, 89freespirit! quote:
Originally posted by the89freespirit:
The 7th House is a mirror like that. You just have to know that its your reflection you're seeking, which is the basic purpose of Sun in the 7th.
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Elysia
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posted August 29, 2016 09:37 PM
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Originally posted by Lucia23:
I have Moon, Saturn (my chart ruler) and Venus in the 7th house. I would say that I most desperately want to be talented and happy in 7th house areas, but I feel most painfully thwarted in those areas. The Moon-Saturn conjunction means I feel self-conscious/pained/restricted whenever I try to express my Moon. That house is hard for me.
Three biggies in that house! Must definitely be a natal focus for you.
I'm curious though, does your Moon-Saturn pattern repeat in synastry and/or composite -- do you see it crop up in those places as well? IP: Logged |
Lerena
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posted August 29, 2016 09:40 PM
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Originally posted by Elysia:
I didn't mean you have to overcompensate, because of something you lack or, overcompensate in the traditional sense at all.. Don't go by just the title, I've tried to explain in the OP -- but granted that might have been convoluted and vague-ish.
I don't quite understand what the first post of this thread is talking about. Can you try to explain it differently? My point was I have my ASC/DSC axis already naturally integrated into my personality because of my planets in Taurus. IP: Logged |
Elysia
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posted August 29, 2016 09:42 PM
@Pisces Plutonian,
Thanks for your input. One thing I didn't get though.. What do you mean by "other people reflecting my appearance back to me for no reason"?@Koniucha,
Yeah Pluto squaring can do that to a moon. :/ I have that too. @yungang,
Thanks so much for understanding! I'm an 8H stellium & 3 planets in Scorp, so yeah.. Overthinking is like breathing to me. I'm sure you, of all people, can relate..
" I myself can over think things... my 7th house is empty... Taurus... my 1st house is packed, Scorpio, with Mercury conjunct Pluto. Having been learning about the Pluto Polarity Point as per the Evolutionary Astrologers, I begin to think maybe I really need to do less thinking ... grateful for the Taurus stellium person in my life..."
^ I can see how that would be especially soothing but also hard to embrace at the same time (?) Sorry for flooding my own thread! Just wanted to reply to everyone personally. IP: Logged |
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