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joyful1
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posted September 11, 2016 12:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for joyful1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good point! However you really can't dump someone you weren't exclusive with in the first place and kept cancelling on. Stupid relationships. They should be cut and dry and black and white. I hate the grey areas. But I guess that's what makes them exciting. Lol. C'est La Vie


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Why are most of you saying dump him?

Sorry Joy, you slept with someone else before he did. If anything, he should dump you but he's a WEAK Scorpio..or an undeveloped Scorpio.


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posted September 11, 2016 12:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for joyful1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not exactly sure if him being weak and underdeveloped is a bad connotation and me being "light hearted" is a bad connotation? We did seem to get along well and never fought when we were together. Insane amount of chemistry and our opposites definitely attracted. That's what makes this so hard. It's very flattering to me that he wants me back but I am apprehensive.

QUOTE]Originally posted by Gemini30:
Just forget about him. He's a weak Scorpio or an undeveloped Scorpio to put it better.

He should've never been with a light hearted person like you in the first place. He'll learn and as well as you. [/QUOTE]

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posted September 11, 2016 08:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for panzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"I'm confused on what to do because I still have feelings for him and we all make mistakes."

Excuse me but if you ever had feelings for him than you wouldn't have slept with your ex in the first place.Feelings mean you wait some time,not just say:"eh...if he doesn't wanna date me tonight,let's just hump my ex since he's available".Someone who has feelings cannot and doesn't want to see anyone else,let alone have sex with another one.To have feelings for one means you close all doors for others.
Everyone hates Scorpios because they are too intense.Well yes,if you don't like it,just leave.
I am a Scorpio Sun,Moon,Mercury and i understand your bf behavior.He felt the need to revenge on you only because he was really hurt.There is no point to get back with him as he will never truly forget or forgive the cheating.
Leos and Scorpios are very much alike in many ways but a Scorpio is intense and stalker-ish and everything else you mentioned. He told you that he loved you and pulled back to test you.He most likely expected you to insist some more and WAIT/give him some time.
Even if there are similarities in your characters,you are lighthearted and will never be able to understand the core of a Scorpio so it's best to leave him...The chances for him to revenge on you the second time are huge because scorpios just don't forgive betrayal.EVER.
I'm sorry for the Scorpio rant but i get inflamed when the claim of feelings is involved.

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posted September 11, 2016 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for joyful1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I appreciate the rant because it lets me in a little more onto how he must've felt. And I completely understand why he did what he did. In fact he's over it now that he got his revenge and had been on me about going out and I'm the one hurting and can't stop thinking about him and his ex sleeping together.

Do I regret my actions? Absolutely. Do we all make mistakes? Definitely. Does it mean I didn't have feelings for him? No way. I didn't know where he was coming from. I can't stand rejection and he cancelled dates on me not once or twice but 4x. I verbalized to him that I can't handle being cancelled on and take it personal. I told him if he cancelled again we shouldn't see each other because he clearly wasn't into me and yet he cancelled again. Also, he got jealous anytime a guy commented on my fb and called me an attention ***** for posting a profile pic. I was like "um it's a picture of my face. Everyone has that." Lol. I get jealous too depending on the relationship so I understood and found some of it flattering but being called a name over it is just disturbing.

I shouldn't have to defend my actions. Im just letting you know where I'm coming from. I may be a Leo but I have an extremely guarded and sensitive heart as well.

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"I'm confused on what to do because I still have feelings for him and we all make mistakes."

Excuse me but if you ever had feelings for him than you wouldn't have slept with your ex in the first place.Feelings mean you wait some time,not just say:"eh...if he doesn't wanna date me tonight,let's just hump my ex since he's available".Someone who has feelings cannot and doesn't want to see anyone else,let alone have sex with another one.To have feelings for one means you close all doors for others.
Everyone hates Scorpios because they are too intense.Well yes,if you don't like it,just leave.
I am a Scorpio Sun,Moon,Mercury and i understand your bf behavior.He felt the need to revenge on you only because he was really hurt.There is no point to get back with him as he will never truly forget or forgive the cheating.
Leos and Scorpios are very much alike in many ways but a Scorpio is intense and stalker-ish and everything else you mentioned. He told you that he loved you and pulled back to test you.He most likely expected you to insist some more and WAIT/give him some time.
Even if there are similarities in your characters,you are lighthearted and will never be able to understand the core of a Scorpio so it's best to leave him...The chances for him to revenge on you the second time are huge because scorpios just don't forgive betrayal.EVER.
I'm sorry for the Scorpio rant but i get inflamed when the claim of feelings is involved.


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posted September 11, 2016 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by joyful1:

He stalked you for three years? Omg I would've had a nervous breakdown. Lol! And I know I should run. That was my initial response. I hate these darn things called feelings. Lol



I didn't have the breakdown. I was the one who caused him to have a nervous breakdown. I'm a lighthearted Gemini, but if someone pushes me too far, then I destroy them. I've even broken Scorpios before.

As for this man and Scorpios in general: go for an evolved Scorpio. They are amazing! They can be the sweetest and most loyal people you ever meet. However, the immature types are dangerous and will only bring you heartache.

Look at it this way: you've only been on a few dates or so with this guy (i.e. not enough to even think this was an exclusive relationship) and he's already pulling these stunts and testing you. It will only get worse from here. This man is in his 30s and is still playing these silly mind games. This is the behavior I expect from people in their teens and early 20s. While a person in their 30s is still young, they should have acquired some degree of maturity.

By 25-26, even a Scorpio should be mature enough to communicate effectively instead of relying on these silly tests and mind games. I once dated a Scorpio who tried to test me and I called him out on it much to his surprise. I promptly dumped him. I refuse to be anyone's little test subject. Please respect yourself. You deserve so much more than the treatment you are receiving from this "man."

A mature Scorpio would have communicated his reasons for being distant or dumped you altogether. What he did is what young teens do. I hate to think what he is teaching his child about relationships.

If you want drama, then stay with this man, but I strongly suggest you leave him alone with his drama and find yourself a mature man who knows how to be direct with you about his wishes and expectations.

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posted September 11, 2016 07:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Starry~*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's always fascinating to me how whenever there's a topic about scorpio men, it'll always get lit up

Serious face on--

As someone who is heavily plutonic/scorpionic (although I am airy too) and been with a few scorpio men, I have to say that it's a huge turn off for me when I find out that someone I dated - exclusive or not - moves on and beds other people so quick and easily. My respect for them will drop to probably about negative 10. It's like they have no sense of self respect for at least allowing some time to pass (sort out feelings and all that, if they claim they have feelings for me) before getting involved with another person - superficially or what have you. I know this sounds like I'm being judgmental, and I know it's normal because we all have needs and sexual urges, but if you want to see it in the eyes of people who are a bit more "intense" and sensitive with their feelings then I'm dishing it to you as it is.

If I were the both of you, I would have cut off contact. As him, I would have cut off contact with you the moment I found out you slept with your ex. If I were you, I would have cut off contact that moment he told me he slept with his ex but "let's continue anyways" - as if nothing happened. Nope. That doesn't fly.

However, I'm not either of you and nobody here who replied on this board is. People's convictions are their own. If this scorpio man is really willing to work at fixing this up then he will show it. However, if you don't give a clear cut/defining answer with him then he will probably strike back yet again. Scorpios are sensitive and retaliation is eminent if they are hurt and their sense of emotional security is threatened.

A leo has qualities that a scorpio can appreciate, however, butting-heads will be a problem. Plus, you should think about whether or not you want someone to retaliate (or always be in fear of them retaliating) whenever you make a mistake. Afterall, we are human and we make mistakes. I can't imagine living my life or being with someone who I know will strike back at me every time I'm being human. Some food for thought so you can look out for yourself and take care of yourself. I hope you find the answer you're looking for.

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posted September 11, 2016 07:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonsai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by panzi:
"I'm confused on what to do because I still have feelings for him and we all make mistakes."

Excuse me but if you ever had feelings for him than you wouldn't have slept with your ex in the first place.Feelings mean you wait some time,not just say:"eh...if he doesn't wanna date me tonight,let's just hump my ex since he's available".Someone who has feelings cannot and doesn't want to see anyone else,let alone have sex with another one.To have feelings for one means you close all doors for others.
Everyone hates Scorpios because they are too intense.Well yes,if you don't like it,just leave.
I am a Scorpio Sun,Moon,Mercury and i understand your bf behavior.He felt the need to revenge on you only because he was really hurt.There is no point to get back with him as he will never truly forget or forgive the cheating.
Leos and Scorpios are very much alike in many ways but a Scorpio is intense and stalker-ish and everything else you mentioned. He told you that he loved you and pulled back to test you.He most likely expected you to insist some more and WAIT/give him some time.
Even if there are similarities in your characters,you are lighthearted and will never be able to understand the core of a Scorpio so it's best to leave him...The chances for him to revenge on you the second time are huge because scorpios just don't forgive betrayal.EVER.
I'm sorry for the Scorpio rant but i get inflamed when the claim of feelings is involved.


I agree with the first paragraph. If you have truly strong feelings for someone you wouldn't go and sleep with someone else. I think what is especially hurtful here is that not only did you sleep with just any other man, it was with an ex, someone who you had a meaningful history with. You dipped into the ex basket and delved back into familiar Territory. If there was a guy I liked and I heard he hooked up with his ex, even if we weren't officially together I'd start asking questions and wondering if he still has residual of unresolved feelings for his ex, and even if he were with me, would he still be thinking about her?

That being said, it does sound like he really went overboard with testing you if that's what he was doing. Either way he was sending mixed signals and, while it's ok to test how seriously someone takes you, there is a limit and no one should put up with having to jump through so many hoops. I bet he wouldn't like like it either. What's more astounding is that he's willing to continue with someone who he sees as having betrayed him. If you really feel like someone has betrayed you why would you want to continue with them? So either he didn't think it was much of a betrayal after all, which doesn't seem to be the case as he felt the need to get back at you, or he doesn't have much respect for himself if he's willing to continue with someone who he believes did him big wrong, or, he wants to continue because he's not done with you and wants to get back at you some more. I doubt everything's all hunky dory within him. But if he likes to be in a relationship where it's about playing games and and getting even then he's petty and isn't worth it.

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posted September 11, 2016 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemini30     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I didn't have the breakdown. [b]I was the one who caused him to have a nervous breakdown. I'm a lighthearted Gemini, but if someone pushes me too far, then I destroy them. I've even broken Scorpios before.

As for this man and Scorpios in general: go for an evolved Scorpio. They are amazing! They can be the sweetest and most loyal people you ever meet. However, the immature types are dangerous and will only bring you heartache.

Look at it this way: you've only been on a few dates or so with this guy (i.e. not enough to even think this was an exclusive relationship) and he's already pulling these stunts and testing you. It will only get worse from here. This man is in his 30s and is still playing these silly mind games. This is the behavior I expect from people in their teens and early 20s. While a person in their 30s is still young, they should have acquired some degree of maturity.

By 25-26, even a Scorpio should be mature enough to communicate effectively instead of relying on these silly tests and mind games. I once dated a Scorpio who tried to test me and I called him out on it much to his surprise. I promptly dumped him. I refuse to be anyone's little test subject. Please respect yourself. You deserve so much more than the treatment you are receiving from this "man."

A mature Scorpio would have communicated his reasons for being distant or dumped you altogether. What he did is what young teens do. I hate to think what he is teaching his child about relationships.

If you want drama, then stay with this man, but I strongly suggest you leave him alone with his drama and find yourself a mature man who knows how to be direct with you about his wishes and expectations. [/B]


By 25-26?? Mmm i believe every Scorpio should be evolved after their Saturn Return. So by early 30's is when Scorpios should be evolved. However this guy i think is nearing his 40's so i doubt he changes now, but you never know with Scorpios.

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posted September 11, 2016 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemini30     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Plus Joy, are you a 100% sure he cheated on you? Unevolved Scorpios are some of the best liars.

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posted September 11, 2016 09:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just out of curiosity, am I the only one who has noticed that both have essentially used an ex as a tool to inflict pain on someone else (even if say Scorpio lied about the sex), and wondered how their respective exes feel about this?

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posted September 11, 2016 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Southern Sun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pulling back after going in deep is normal behaviour for Scorps and Plutonians in general. We have to take a step back and assess if we really want to devote our heart and soul into it. There are no half-measures.

He does sound like a child, however. Sleeping with the ex just to get back at you, THEN he comes crawling back ?

This is not a sign of a Scorpio MAN but a Scorpio BOY

Edit: But I cant lay it all on him, because you went to sleep with the ex first ... That's telling him you can't be 100% trusted to be loyal if something goes wrong.

I am an 8th house Leo with strong Pluto aspects, so I can kinda understand both sides here.

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posted September 12, 2016 05:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for florence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The quote that comes to mind is...

You live by the sword, you die by the sword

In the sense that it's understandable that you moved on when it wasn't working out, especially if not familiar with Scorpio mentality, but then you have to really move on in a sense - at least, mentally trust in yourself. I'm a Scorpio ascendant and react very much like this guy once I start feeling but I'm aware how odd the behaviour is too and make allowance for reactions to it.

It's so tricky because his need for vengeance could kick in esp if he senses you are falling for him, the train could automatically click onto a seduction/revenge trajectory. So, I think you'd have to remain strong and firm, loving but not desiring. Don't want him just because you sense you might not be able to have him because that's a scorpios doorway into games that he might unconsciously activate. You have to ignore that and maintain that you're human and responded as was right for you. Scorpios hearts don't get to be the only ones protected.

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posted September 12, 2016 08:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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By 25-26?? Mmm i believe every Scorpio should be evolved after their Saturn Return. So by early 30's is when Scorpios should be evolved. However this guy i think is nearing his 40's so i doubt he changes now, but you never know with Scorpios.

Yes, by 25-26, the human brain is fully developed. Most people are done with college and have started their careers. I I do expect people (not just Scorpios) to not act like 14-year-olds by this age. They are well into adulthood at this point and should know how to communicate in a relationship.

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posted September 12, 2016 09:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for colorful butterfly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you two were not exclusive and he acted funny , test or not it's just plain logic for you to go your own way no matter your feelings for him. Why love something that toys with you and calls it intensity? Not all people react the same, he wanted you to be devistated and hurt for him loveing you. He tortures himself because he loves you. Naaa, he was acting and playing games and when men do this, see it for what it is. You had right to do you !! He shouldn't feel a need to get even because he did it to himself and he needs to know that. Personally, I would let him know you can either make a decision to be with me and exclusive with no games or move on because you have no time to be done any type of way. If he values you at all he will understand this and do so. It's not a threat but just loveing yourself enough not to be put threw a bunch of mess. I get Scorpio intensity but you can't be crazy , treat someone however you want and then expect them to be hung up on you. Women will walk threw the pits of hell if your our man but if your going to treat us anything less than your number 1, you can forget it.

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posted September 12, 2016 11:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemini30     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Yes, by 25-26, the human brain is fully developed. Most people are done with college and have started their careers. I I do expect people (not just Scorpios) to not act like 14-year-olds by this age. They are well into adulthood at this point and should know how to communicate in a relationship.

Well many people still act like 14 year olds at that age and change as they get older. People can still change.

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posted September 13, 2016 09:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LunarRose     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not a Scorpio, but in my progressed chart my Sun and three other planets are in Scorpio. Scorpios are commonly known for retaliation, but to be frank, I usually think if someone retaliates after one single wrong is done to them they're the @ssho!e there. I'd been wronged about a dozen times before I even thought of retaliating. (Neither person who wronged me was a boyfriend.)

If two weeks passed and your boyfriend was still angry about your hook up he should have just broke it off with you, instead doing the same thing back to you. I can't stand it when people mirror each others words or actions. I'm the last person who would purposely do that and yet I'm an air heavy person with a Libra Sun and Gemini Asc- those are stereotyped as being the most mirror image signs!!

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posted September 14, 2016 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Well many people still act like 14 year olds at that age and change as they get older. People can still change.

If someone is acting like a 14 year old when they are well into their 20s, then something is seriously wrong. While I wouldn't expect a 25 year old to be as worldly or mature as a 50-year-old, they should have basic communication skills., and they should have the sense to leave the game-playing to high school and traditionally-aged college students. If you think it's normal or typical for a 25year old to act like a young teen, then you must also believe that 25 year olds are too young to be making their own decisions and need adult supervision.

While it's usually true that the Saturn Return is the time where people reassess their life and grow up a bit (hopefully), I fully disagree with the notion that you are just a foolish child until you reach 28-30. There is a happy medium. 25 year olds are running companies, getting married, having kids and planning their futures. So, yes, I would assume that someone who is 25+ is capable of communicating their feelings or thoughts. If they can't do this simple task, then they are not ready to date or have sex.

Of course people can change, but it's pretty unlikely that this Scorpio man (who is in his 30s and has a child) will grow up. Also, it's not a good idea to date someone and assume they will change or try to change them. Many marriages end for this reason. People will show you who they are through their actions. Your choice is to accept them as they are or move on.


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posted September 14, 2016 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theunknown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Plus Joy, are you a 100% sure he cheated on you? Unevolved Scorpios are some of the best liars.

haha true. Why should they do something to hurt themselves?

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posted October 13, 2016 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for joyful1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
IQ

Your post seemed to be spot on. 👌🏻 Wow. Can you please explain what you meant by "sun square sun and what ascendants being square means exactly? I don't really understand all that yet. I think I get the cancer moons thing. I am a very sensitive person in relationships.
This "dating" him has been a rocky road and I just broke it off with him for probably the 3rd time since I've written this post due to some behavioral clashes. However we seem to have a love/hate thing going so I'm trying to be strong and not give in again when he comes back asking. Thanks for all your insight

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This is not going to work out. There is a strong chance that the only reason he wants to get back with you is so that he can break up in a more vengeful manner.

Sun square Sun is strong, Ascendants are square by Sign and with both having Cancer Moons it will be too difficult to forgive and forget.


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