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Sccs
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posted September 13, 2016 07:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sccs     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How comfortable are you with the way you look?
Your self esteem?
Problem with the way you appear on photos and your appearance in general?


In which sign is it and is it aspected?

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posted September 13, 2016 08:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Sccs:
How comfortable are you with the way you look?
Your self esteem?
Problem with the way you appear on photos and your appearance in general?


In which sign is it and is it aspected?


I have cancer ascendant conjunction cancer chiron (in the 12th)
I got a really really low self-esteem, and I'm not pretty on photographs, I'm really anti-photogenic. I don't have many pictures of my self at all on any social medias... I think I look okay in real life though, but there is so many people prettier than me... I like my eyes, but my lips are thin and small, and I hate my nose as well lol.

I don't recall my chiron is aspecting anything really, besides being conjunct my ascendant pretty tight.

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Aries23Degrees
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posted September 13, 2016 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@next to neptune

Am curious, what is your family background like(Cancer)? Perhaps some painful issues with family or feelings of belonging(Moon)?

I am trying to understand the nature of Chiron really. As it keeps on changing on me.

And where is your Moon?

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Desiring Shadows
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posted September 13, 2016 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Desiring Shadows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My friend said I have a fake self confidence because I became a ***** just to feel appreciated

I felt fat and was overweight for a few years. Like massively overweight. I lost 70lbs and fed off the compliments but I craved them more so I became a hoe and hooked up and flirted with tons of guys. And that's coming from a former Asexual!

So basically even to this day at a normal weight I'm somewhat self concious

Unless I approve of the way something on myself looks fully I'm not usually accepting of it

I'm a sun conjunct chironer

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hypatia238
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posted September 13, 2016 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my husband has this on the 12th conjunct tightly his AC in Taurus.

He is overweight but he is attractive too, his feet are a bit strange, the thumb on his feet are hugeeee. I feel he only really needs to lose like 30 pounds.

However, I feel he has a good self esteem; I am more insecure than he is and have been skinny most of my life and right now am at my ideal weight I feel; 130 pounds, 5'6.

His insecurities are more related to him having saturn in the 6 imo. He doesn't really worry a lot about his appearance or focus on it that much, its just not a priority for him.

If anything he is an example of someone who feels comfortable on his own skin and has a good healthy image of himself. Even if I point out that I want him to keep losing weight it doesn't seem to affect him all that much, he takes it like as a yeah I Do but it doesn't really get to him.

I have chiron parallel my rising sign and I am way more sensitive about stuff like that and worry more about my looks etc....I am a girl though, we all seem to worry a lot about stuff like that and are prone to insecurities in that area.

Now that I am back to my ideal weight and that I have been doing tapping techniques to work on my self worth that I typically do together with my clients I feel I am at a pretty good place in that regard but now what is happening is that I often don't put on make up on and I should bc I look a lot nicer with make up but I just don't have that need anymore, I don't worry about it as much. I have other things to worry about is how I Feel these days and I Think that is how he is too naturally, he just doesn't see it as a priority but in a healthy way if you get me.

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strawberryaa
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posted September 13, 2016 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for strawberryaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Chiron in Libra 1st house. I'm veeeery demanding on myself how I look and appear to other people. I want to be absolutely perfect!! It's very obsessive and exhausting because I'm constantly thinking what others think about me, do they like me, do I look good etc... Also Chiron is conjunct my North Node in 1st house which makes it even worse!! :/ But ever since astrology I can now understand myself better and kind of control my obsessive thoughts.

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posted September 13, 2016 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sccs     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for all your replies I think its very interesting!!!

@next to neptune
I have chiron in cancer in the 12th widely conjuct my asc
And I relate to what you said. Did you have any problem with bullying about your appearance in any form? I had when I was in junior high school and im not especialy bad looking but its as if people see me as "weak" as if my weaknesses were on display and it really really shows on pictures.
I worked on myself and in real life all is good people compliment me (actualy I feel its way more than I deserve) but my self esteem is so low and sometimes i feel like im completely "turning off" from inside.
As Aries23degrees asked That would be interesting to know where is your moon?

@desiring shadows
In which sign is it your conjuction sun/chiron??

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Sccs
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posted September 13, 2016 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sccs     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@hypatia238
Do you think your husband has insecurities related to taurus/aries archetypes?
thats interesting to have a counter example its good to be surrounded by someone who naturaly feel good with themselves!

@strawberria
I think understanding how to "transcend" chiron is a great key, astrology has been a great tool for me too but I dont manage to overcome this problem entirely
Its exhausting to live with such burdens especialy about something like self esteem as it is one of the most important thing I feel like I have to dig to the root to finaly destroy it

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posted September 13, 2016 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sccs:
Thank you for all your replies I think its very interesting!!!

@next to neptune
I have chiron in cancer in the 12th widely conjuct my asc
And I relate to what you said. Did you have any problem with bullying about your appearance in any form? I had when I was in junior high school and im not especialy bad looking but its as if people see me as "weak" as if my weaknesses were on display and it really really shows on pictures.
I worked on myself and in real life all is good people compliment me (actualy I feel its way more than I deserve) but my self esteem is so low and sometimes i feel like im completely "turning off" from inside.
As Aries23degrees asked That would be interesting to know where is your moon?


I was never bullied because I was ugly no, but I was definitely not popular either. I was just kind of in-between... I'm tall and was always skinny, but I got good genes from my parents, cause they are both pretty good looking, so I guess it couldn't go ALL wrong lol

I had a period though, where I was wearing only black cloth and was kind of a "goth" girl, but not completely. And in that period I got bullied a bit, because I looked differently.... today I think it is a shame, cause I was just being creative with my look and wanted to develop my own style... I'm not a goth anymore, but I definitely still prefer to wear mostly only black cloth, and is a bit alternative... I think it will always stick to me, and wearing black also have a link to feeling "emotionally pain" I guess.

My moon is in pisces (10th house) square uranus, opposite sun and mars in 4th

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hypatia238
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posted September 14, 2016 12:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Sccs:
@hypatia238
Do you think your husband has insecurities related to taurus/aries archetypes?
thats interesting to have a counter example its good to be surrounded by someone who naturaly feel good with themselves!

@strawberria
I think understanding how to "transcend" chiron is a great key, astrology has been a great tool for me too but I dont manage to overcome this problem entirely
Its exhausting to live with such burdens especialy about something like self esteem as it is one of the most important thing I feel like I have to dig to the root to finaly destroy it


Well his self image is good but he has insecurities around earning money and since his Chiron is in the 12th towards the end inconjuncting his Neptune in the 8th he has a big fear of death and he shivers when he thinks of death. He says he shivers bc he is trying to jump out of his body to scape death. I think his weird feet and his fear of death is cute.

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PixieMG
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posted September 14, 2016 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieMG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Chiron conjunct my AS (and Lilith) in the 1st, opposing Uranus/Fortune, square Venus and Jupiter.

I look really bad in photos and prefer to be the one that takes them in parties and events, I have less than 10 photos of me in the last 5 years (which is sad 'cause I love photography) and none is on social media.

My self-esteem varies, I have days where I feel like trash and others I feel Beyonce, but overall I feel pretty average. I'm not that ugly, but never been told I'm pretty or something like that (except my BF), so my self-esteem wasn't reinforced while I was growing up.

I had lots of problems with my teeth during my life, I think my smile is the part that I hate most about me and it's so important for first impressions, luckily I've never been bullied for it, but I had to use brackets in two instances.

I have a nice body shape, I'm thin and have nice legs, I'd be in better shape if I wasn't so lazy. I never use swimwear in public, never ever. I like people believe I have an awesome body so I mastered ways to look better than I actually am.


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hypatia238
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posted September 14, 2016 11:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by PixieMG:
I have Chiron conjunct my AS (and Lilith) in the 1st, opposing Uranus/Fortune, square Venus and Jupiter.

I look really bad in photos and prefer to be the one that takes them in parties and events, I have less than 10 photos of me in the last 5 years (which is sad 'cause I love photography) and none is on social media.

My self-esteem varies, I have days where I feel like trash and others I feel Beyonce, but overall I feel pretty average. I'm not that ugly, but never been told I'm pretty or something like that (except my BF), so my self-esteem wasn't reinforced while I was growing up.

I had lots of problems with my teeth during my life, I think my smile is the part that I hate most about me and it's so important for first impressions, luckily I've never been bullied for it, but I had to use brackets in two instances.

I have a nice body shape, I'm thin and have nice legs, I'd be in better shape if I wasn't so lazy. I never use swimwear in public, never ever. I like people believe I have an awesome body so I mastered ways to look better than I actually am.


I can relate, I feel the only pics that I come out nice are selfies and I have to take quite a few to get one that looks nice.

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babybull82
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posted September 15, 2016 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for babybull82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is very interesting to read. My oldest daughter has Chiron in her first in Aquarius along with Neptune too and pretty much her whole life people have always commented on how beautiful she is. But now this make me wonder if she'll feel the opposite as she gets older. Also probably not related but could be, but she scars very easily. Almost like her "wounds" manifest physically because it's in the 1st house.

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hypatia238
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posted September 15, 2016 09:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Omg I do bruise very easily. I wonder if having Chiron parallel AC can be why.

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Mergoatsun
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posted September 15, 2016 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mergoatsun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm wishy washy with the way I look, sometimes I'm confident, and other times I feel like trash. I have a wavering self esteem as well. I either look great in photos or I look awkward. When I look good it's probably because of my Libra ascendant.

My Chiron is in Libra, conjunct NN, square Sun, conjunct ASC. It's technically in my 12th house, but both my 1st and 12th are in Libra.

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PixieMG
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posted September 15, 2016 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieMG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I forgot that my boyfriend also has Chiron in the 1st square Moon and opposite Saturn (we share the same signs/houses positions).

He's much more confident with her body than me, he was a fat kid/tween, then he slimmed down in his teen years and gained some weight in her mid-twenties, but 3 years ago he did a diet with a nutritionist and his metabolism changed, now he's in excellent shape, he exercises and eat a lot better, I'm sure that boosted his confidence a lot.
When I look at former high school guys, they're fat, losing their hair and plain old (we're 30), I like to think he's like wine, you know the saying LOL, but I'm sure our Gemini AS makes us look younger than we're.

He's not very photogenic, but in real life he's attractive, Mars in Aries adds something extra, he's very masculine with broad shoulders and has a deep voice, I remember my friends loved his voice when we were teens!

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Kannon McAfee
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posted September 16, 2016 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was born when Chiron was at 8 Aries/5.5° north parallel my Asc 17 Virgo/5° north. So I know Chiron well. Chiron does not mean 'wounded' or mere pain. Chiron was the wounded healer. One word describes a factor of his mortality. The other describes what he did with it. We all have the same choices.

There are a couple things implied in the questions given:
- one's physical appearance or body in the objective sense as it relates to the 1st house/Asc;
- how one sees or feels about it when you look into the mirror.

The second factor involves the Moon, and changes with our feelings and moods, etc. Those feelings can also change as we grow and mature out of adolescence and into a more lasting perspective based on lasting, deeper understanding. In no way is our self-worth or self-image pinned permanently to a birth chart factor.

Chiron describes healing process. I am a healer, herbalist, energy healer. I had a start in life ahead of most with this since I can recall at least one past life as an herbalist in China long ago.

Many Chironians are naturalists, teachers, therapists, astrologers, etc. If Chiron is not closely related by major aspect and close orb to your correct Asc or MC, or Sun or Moon it is virtually irrelevant in your chart. Too much is made of it, as with most asteroids as an alternative way of 'astrology to explain everything in my life.'

When I was younger I had very low self-worth owing to the Saturnine nature of my chart with its Saturn-Sun aspects, Virgo rising, and Moon in Capricorn. I lay none of it at the feet of Chiron. Normally I place little emphasis on my appearance and am okay with it, but have struggled a bit in the last year or so due to a swelling of some loose skin on my nose. I spend very, very little time in front of the mirror. Virtually none compared to when I was a pimple popping teenager with terrible acne.

I gain self-worth from the inside. I rarely let superficial things sabotage this. I have struggled with this more than usual in the last year or so during Pluto's transit to my Moon. As a teen virtually every physical feature gave me self-doubt, so I strived to excel as an athlete. I felt the typical Virgoan subordination and inferiority and wanted to prove myself.

My self-image comes from how I see myself spiritually over an arc of time. This is something learned with self-awareness and maturity, seeing yourself over an arc of time rather than as a static encasement of body/personality. For me this includes at least some of my incarnations in different times and places. I know I have a lot to offer, and am developing and growing just like everyone else.

You could even say fundamentally real self-worth and accurate self-image is at the soul level. It comes from knowing you are an essential part of the whole, a piece of God - the One Source of all Love. Humans always struggle with comparisons. Tabloids much? Image-rich illusions about human beings. Advertising much? Lies.

You are a beautiful soul no matter who you are or how you look, because the Singular Source of Love and Beauty can make nothing else.

Sometimes we are born into 'less than' bodies to look within for the beauty that is certainly there.

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