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Ami Anne
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posted September 18, 2016 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Koniucha:
I have Mars in my 12th house. Really a no good place for it. I have a hard time standing up for myself and I can hold anger in. Can get ugly when it releases.

But it has forced me to work on it. Especially now that I have a child.



What sign is your Mars, K?

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posted September 18, 2016 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for headintheclouds91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Yeah in some ways my trines are my weaknesses. Gemini Mars trine Pluto, and I don't even realize when I've gone over into overkill. To me, I'm just getting started and have barely done or said anything.

Lots of serial killers have loads of easy aspects that translate to permissiveness and selfishness that should have been curtailed.
http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/John_Wayne_Gacy

Btw, I did a study on this once and found the EASY Mars-Uranus aspects in serial killers, much moreso than the hard ones. (Though it depends on how you regard the conjunction, as hard or easy - as you see, Gacy has that.)


Yes i have noticed that too with serial killers.

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posted September 18, 2016 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koniucha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

What sign is your Mars, K?



Sag. It is also conj Neptune, albeit wide

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posted September 18, 2016 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hard aspects makes people strong 💪...not easy aspects..

Agree on this. Astrology is only the basic of our personality, but everyone has the willpower to rise and control their own behavior. We cannot control what happens around us, but how we face it we can learn. And we learn throughout the WHOLE life.

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posted September 18, 2016 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
Yep. Overcome adversity within yourself and you can overcome it outside of yourself, too.

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posted September 18, 2016 02:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MilaBirkin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love everything you write! I already tell you, you inspire me.

I'm the most strong person I know (emotionally) but I don't have any of those .
The only Pluto trine?? (lol, I don't know if what I write makes sense ) I have is Moon trine Pluto.

There were many sad moments in my life (happy as well). I suffered a lot but all that made me learn and I'm stronger. Everytime there is a bad time and I get sad, disappointed and all that, I become stronger (like in these days).

I don't know what part of my chart says that.


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posted September 18, 2016 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I should clarify that I was having a bad day yesterday and this article did make me feel better in the sense that several of the trines in my chart are reflected here.

I just don't want anyone to think that I believe that if you don't have these aspects, you're not a strong person.

I do agree that squares, oppositions and other "hard" aspects can show a strong person, especially when they've spent years or maybe their entire life overcoming that obstacle. If you looked at the 16 positive aspects (trines, sextiles) in my chart, it's easy to think "Oh, she's smart, talented, life is easy for her." But it doesn't give the whole picture. Those trines and sextiles are beneficial when I'm not taking them for granted...it's kind of like being a talented artist but being too lazy to pick up the brush, for example. Or being a professional baseball player but never stepping up to the plate to bat. It's there when I want to use it, but if I don't use it, it's wasted potential.

My personal strength does come from my squares and oppositions. Having Moon conjunct Mars square Mercury conjunct Venus in anxiety-prone Mercury ruled signs is hard in a way that is difficult to explain. If the trines are my talents, the squares are the fences I have to jump in order to actually use them. You can't dazzle a crowd if you're stuck in the dressing room, having a panic attack, after all. There's no way around it. You have to find a way to climb the wall in front of you so that you can show off your other talents.

That's one way that I see it, at least. The other thing about my squares to personal planets is that it's made me incredibly resilient. I've noticed that I take hits (meaning setbacks, disruptions, disappointments) very well, maybe because I see them as just another wall to climb.

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posted September 18, 2016 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for headintheclouds91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
I should clarify that I was having a bad day yesterday and this article did make me feel better in the sense that several of the trines in my chart are reflected here.

I just don't want anyone to think that I believe that if you don't have these aspects, you're not a strong person.

I do agree that squares, oppositions and other "hard" aspects can show a strong person, especially when they've spent years or maybe their entire life overcoming that obstacle. If you looked at the 16 positive aspects (trines, sextiles) in my chart, it's easy to think "Oh, she's smart, talented, life is easy for her." But it doesn't give the whole picture. Those trines and sextiles are beneficial when I'm not taking them for granted...it's kind of like being a talented artist but being too lazy to pick up the brush, for example. Or being a professional baseball player but never stepping up to the plate to bat. It's there when I want to use it, but if I don't use it, it's wasted potential.

My personal strength does come from my squares and oppositions. Having Moon conjunct Mars square Mercury conjunct Venus in anxiety-prone Mercury ruled signs is hard in a way that is difficult to explain. If the trines are my talents, the squares are the fences I have to jump in order to actually use them. You can't dazzle a crowd if you're stuck in the dressing room, having a panic attack, after all. There's no way around it. You have to find a way to climb the wall in front of you so that you can show off your other talents.

That's one way that I see it, at least. The other thing about my squares to personal planets is that it's made me incredibly resilient. I've noticed that I take hits (meaning setbacks, disruptions, disappointments) very well, maybe because I see them as just another wall to climb.

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posted September 18, 2016 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@SV - well said!

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Ami Anne
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posted September 18, 2016 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mila

Were you talking to me? I don't want to thank you if it wasn't me lol

These were some aspects for strength but not all!

I am writing several more articles.

Also, strength is a diverse trait and it is hard to quantify, although we have to, in order to learn, so PLEASE don't think you are not strong cuz your aspects are not on here

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posted September 18, 2016 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MilaBirkin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Mila

Were you talking to me? I don't want to thank you if it wasn't me lol

These were some aspects for strength but not all!

I am writing several more articles.

Also, strength is a diverse trait and it is hard to quantify, although we have to, in order to learn, so PLEASE don't think you are not strong cuz your aspects are not on here


Yes! I was talking to you, haha.

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posted September 18, 2016 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yea K
Saggi is mutable, so the 12th House would make it harder, in terms of assertion.

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posted September 18, 2016 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In that case, Mila, then THANK YOU!
I have great admiration for you, too. Mila!


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posted September 18, 2016 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will look at your chart a bit, Mila.

You have an exact venus conj the MC, so you are known as graceful, charming and attractive.

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posted September 18, 2016 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Self expression is very important to you--Moon in the 3rd.

You are warm and nurturing and very protective of those whom you love--Cancer Moon.

Great desire to be a committed partner in a relationship--NN conj DSC.

May have trouble letting go and being silly and childlike--Chiron in the 5th.

Your relationships may be kind of filled with ups and downs and upheaval, through no fault on your own--Pluto in the 7th

Thanks again for being such a sweet friend!

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posted September 18, 2016 10:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sun conjunct Saturn.

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posted September 18, 2016 11:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kiimberly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Absolutely saturn conjunct sun ^

I have this aspect and it's so major, it's always cited as this terrible placement to have, and it's true that it's a lot to deal with. I get the idea that harder placements and aspects sometimes are buried strength, but in my experience and opinion with sun conjunct saturn in particular, you cannot have this aspect and not come out strong. You will be asked and feel as though you have to deal with so much throughout all your life, even in early childhood. You simply must emerge with great strength. It truly feels as though there is no choice but to assume responsibility in life.

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posted September 18, 2016 11:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kiimberly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just for me and how I study charts personally, I like to think of hard and easy aspects like a checks and balances system. Lots of easy aspects will feel great, because your players are on the same team. They aren't going to question each other's energy a lot, even if it is misguided, because they are coming from the same energy and mindset.
With hard aspects, we have energies on different teams working together. They balance each other out because they have different ways of approaching things, and they are unafraid of confronting the other if they feel things aren't being done properly.

For instance, perhaps you have Mercury trine Saturn. You have an idea that is perhaps self-destructive. Saturn should be there to provide discipline, as it does. When Saturn is on the same team, Saturn is going to go with the flow. The energy is so easy, there is no tension. But in different energies, Saturn may instead actually provided the needed discipline just by letting that tension exist. That Saturnine disapproval may be louder in the back of your mind.

This isn't always the case, but I think it helps when I look at charts to consider how an energy might be flowing. Easy aspects are fantastic if you start with a helpful mindset. However, I don't find that easy aspects will be successful in keeping a more devious mindset from snowballing.

I hope this made sense, it's all fully formed in my mind but I cannot seem to use the right words 😥

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posted September 19, 2016 03:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kiimberly:
Absolutely saturn conjunct sun ^

I have this aspect and it's so major, it's always cited as this terrible placement to have, and it's true that it's a lot to deal with. I get the idea that harder placements and aspects sometimes are buried strength, but in my experience and opinion with sun conjunct saturn in particular, you cannot have this aspect and not come out strong. You will be asked and feel as though you have to deal with so much throughout all your life, even in early childhood. You simply must emerge with great strength. It truly feels as though there is no choice but to assume responsibility in life.


Yeah, also Saturn is one harsh taskmaster.

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posted September 19, 2016 04:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sun in Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, or Aquarius.

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posted September 19, 2016 05:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've to say that easy aspects make people lazy not strong..Ive check so many chart so I will never bye opinions like lazy make people strong. Hard life and experience like square and opp give us more and more strenght..

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posted September 19, 2016 07:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
Sun conjunct Saturn.


I, personally, would not add this. I think it makes for a very hurtful experience between the dad and I think it can make for a lot of self doubt.
The closer, the harder.

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posted September 19, 2016 07:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am gonna write more articles, so keep your suggestions coming

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posted September 19, 2016 08:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

I, personally, would not add this. I think it makes for a very hurtful experience between the dad and I think it can make for a lot of self doubt.
The closer, the harder.



Very interesting. The woman I am writing about was sexually abused by her father, and grew up to be very successful.

I guess there's a flip side to Sun-Saturn conjunct?

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posted September 19, 2016 08:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
YEA SA

The thing with "strong" is that it is subjective, to a degree.

She is successful but is she strong?

*I* see strength as emotional strength and the ability to bounce back, not success, per se.

People see strength differently.

A janitor could be a look stronger than a CEO etc

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