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Ami Anne
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posted September 25, 2016 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have done several of these articles. Some of these aspects may be the same. The difference is that *I* have had much more time to work with charts. Hence,some of my original opinions are very much strengthened. Other aspects are added.These are not in order of difficulty.

1. Dejanira(157) conjunct the Moon
This aspect remains the single worst aspect I have seen. With asteroids, we allow a two degree orb in conjunctions and a one degree orb in other aspects.

The Moon is one’s deepest heart,one’s deepest sense of self. That which touches us, in this most interior place, will effect us very PROFOUNDLY

Dejanira is the asteroid of the victim. She may have so little life force that she will not even fight back when she is abused.

I think most of us have felt this at some point in our lives. Picture being bullied by all the kids on the school playground. You sit in the middle of the circle. You have no power to fight back. You give up. This is Dejanira.

I have never seen a case of a close Dejanira conjunction with the Moon which did not have emotional abuse. Usually, it has sexual abuse. Usually, the core self of the person gets fractured.

The person may seem to be a shell.

2. Mercury Combust the Sun
This aspect is very orb dependent. Hence, an exact orb is much more powerful than a three degree orb. The differences are so very great, as to even appear as if it is a different aspect. Thd difficulty with this aspect is that the person cannot get out of her own way.

We all suffer from this, to one degree or another. We all are involved with our own ego to the detriment of seeing life as it really is. We bring our own tainted lens to the table.

The Mercury combust the Sun native has a higher degree of myopia. They see through a lens which is much more self involved. It is a kind of prison, which is not their fault.

They suffer a great deal from the intense pressure that “everything is about them”

3. First House Stellium with Many Personal Planets

This native tends to be like the Mercury combust the Sun native. Due to the nature of the first house, they may have a myopic lens. They may not be able to put themselves in the shoes of other people. This can make for many hurt feelings on their part. It can make for having a hard time in relationships, as well.

4. Chiron conjunct the Sun

This native may have had an extremely difficult relationship with the father. Again, the orb is key.This native may hold a deep self doubt about his essential worth. It may be a lifetime struggle.

5. Pisces Moon

I think this moon is simply too sensitive for this world. I think this native will, always, need extra TLC. A few people I have encountered with Pisces Moon are so obnoxious that one does not want to do this. However, one can know that under an obnoxious exterior is a sensitive soul. The obnoxious Pisces Moon seems to be a rarity,though.

6. Mercury Square Uranus

I have had much more experience with this aspect since my last article. In the exact square, the mental/emotional suffering seems quite intense. If I see this aspect in the chart, I would understand that the person is, probably, suffering a great deal. I would try to be extra kind.

Uranus is a very powerful agitator. Picture a mosquito buzzing around your head as you are trying to sleep. Picture the noise of the dentists drill. This kind of highly annoying stimuli is what the minds of these natives may endure.

7.Neptune Conjunct the Sun

These natives may have a powerful desire to escape reality. We all do. However, there are degrees. In this case, the father may have been absent. The father may have escaped through drugs. The father may have had many distortions about life in the form of emotional or mental illness.

The native may, unwittingly, repeat the “sins of the father”

8. Moon square Saturn

This can be a sign of depression. The native may feel that he can’t “shape up”. He may feel as if he does not know HOW to “shape up” The concept of shaping up may be a club he wields against himself i.e he can never be perfect enough.

9. Dejanira conjunct the North Node

That which conjuncts the North Node becomes a life Theme. This native may find herself in situations of abuse from the time she is a small child until adulthood. It is not her fault. It never was. By understanding her chart, she can take steps to stop this pattern.

Only God can change a chart. I believe in the God of the Bible and His son, Jesus. I believe the chart can change through a relationship with God. The chart does not change, per se. We overcome it through a spiritual relationship with God.

10. Chiron conjunct the North Node
Chiron is pain. The North Node shows is life themes. Hence, a life theme of this native will be one of much pain.

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posted September 25, 2016 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Empty Spaces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:


7.Neptune Conjunct the Sun

These natives may have a powerful desire to escape reality.


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I have that and unfortunally that is true lol


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posted September 26, 2016 12:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mergoatsun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:

7.Neptune Conjunct the Sun

These natives may have a powerful desire to escape reality. We all do. However, there are degrees. In this case, the father may have been absent. The father may have escaped through drugs. The father may have had many distortions about life in the form of emotional or mental illness.

The native may, unwittingly, repeat the “sins of the father”

10. Chiron conjunct the North Node
Chiron is pain. The North Node shows is life themes. Hence, a life theme of this native will be one of much pain.



My dad has a rare blood cancer that causes many strokes and heart attacks that has led to disablement and severe brain damage. He had to learn to talk, walk and eat all over again. However, early in life he was in and out of my life after he was rehabilitated. My parents divorced later. I do always try and find an escape if i'm feeling down, It's a real problem.

As for Chiron and the North Node, my life has been no picnic, I've suffered quite a bit, but I know that I was given this aspect by God who knows that I can turn this into something to help others who struggle with it as well.

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posted September 26, 2016 06:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My husband has Moon conj Deja exact. I have many questions regarding his life but I have chosen to wonder in silence..

I have Mercury 11H trine Uranus 3H. Not a fun placement..for myself or others that have to deal with me.

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posted September 26, 2016 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Merg

Want to put your dad's chart up?

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posted September 26, 2016 09:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I so appreciate everyone's thoughtful comments.My message in Astrology is that your struggles are not your fault!


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posted September 26, 2016 11:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Electro DGX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Sun conjunct Mercury at 5 degrees 30 minutes, so I'm not sure if you would consider that to be combust or not. I often had a bad habit of comparing myself to others and can be self-depricating, so...

I also have Sun conjunct Neptune as well. There are times when I want to escape reality, but I can't say that my dad is an alcoholic. He was mentally abusive, but never had issues with alcohol. He does have severe distortions of reality however, having very tight Venus and Mercury squares to Neptune himself. He always argues using politics and has a skewed way of viewing things. I try to direct this energy towards positive outlets, but I wouldn't consider this to be hard like say Sun Conjunct Saturn.

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posted September 26, 2016 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for elixir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have chiron combust sun in the 4th house, and yes, very painful relationship with my dad. I think that saturn opposite sun/chiron is extremely difficult too.

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posted September 26, 2016 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great post, E xx

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posted September 26, 2016 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hearttreasure     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by elixir:
I have chiron combust sun in the 4th house, and yes, very painful relationship with my dad. I think that saturn opposite sun/chiron is extremely difficult too.

What happen?

I know someone with sun conjunct chiron and his sun opposite saturn too, he never tell or show how painful his relationship with his father or any obstacles he has.

If I asked how's life or how's at home in the past and present, he always said fine or as usual.

How to make this people open up with their struggle? I have known him more than 3 years, although I realize that he seems lost, desperate at times, low self-esteem/self-confidence, etc, and I want to help him, he won't admit anything.

I only know one story (that he had a fight with his dad because his dad physically abuse his mom) from his ex gf first then when I confronted him about the story, he told me bitterly but nothing struggle shown significantly.

How to help this people to be okay to release the struggles?

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posted September 26, 2016 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for elixir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I grew up without him. When he was there, he wasn't much of a father. It's all really complicated and a lot of stuff happened. Also, there was physical abuse involved.

Hmm....I think it's harder for guys to talk about this stuff sometimes because society expects women to be more emotional, not men. Maybe his father was absent or his home life was hell. My house was like a mental asylum. I felt like the only sane one. There is literally no one who understands what it was like, so I don't really talk to people about it in real life. Some of the stories are hard to believe. I can see why he wouldn't want to talk about it.

Sun opposite saturn makes you feel like you have bad luck sometimes or something is restricting you, even though it's all in your head....Cafe astrology has a good description of it. The sun opposite saturn makes sense with the confidence and self esteem...I think when chiron is touching your sun like that you feel like you are inherently flawed and weird and can't ever be like normal people. Since the sun is the ego, I think that sun/chiron doesn't have a healthy sense of self.

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posted September 26, 2016 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well said about Chiron/Sun, E!

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posted September 27, 2016 12:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami, can Moon/Deja also be an abuser as opposed to having been abused?

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@elixir

He still lives with his mom and dad. What I notice that they all live in the same roof as a family but no one cares to each other life.

His perspective about life's also very negative and sometimes too extreme for my taste. He unconsciously drags me into his life (other word is controlling) and I want to help him to help me stay grounded and true to myself because sometimes dealing with him getting me lost and frustrated.

I'm moving out this month to new place and he wants to live with me.

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posted September 27, 2016 02:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh my. I have Chiron in Cancer (4th house) oppose Saturn in Capricorn (in the 10th house). Explains the hard relationships with my family.

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posted September 27, 2016 08:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I won't be able to write for a few days cuz I am going on a trip but I will be reading all the wonderful posts. Thank you! xoxo

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posted September 27, 2016 09:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vegasdlt36     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have sun/mercury. I don't agree with your description for that one.

Moon/Saturn is also in my chart. That one I do agree with. Thankfully, I pull myself out of tough times.

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Any experiences out there with Deianira conjunct MC in the 10th house? I just realized I have this. It is only 2 degrees, separating.

This makes me pretty anxious since career is an enormous focus of my life and HAS been a struggle. It is conjunct the MC, and 5 degrees separating conjunct Saturn in my 9th. It is only making harmonious aspects to other areas of my chart (and soft ones. Nothing intense).

So, just trying to wrap my head around what this could mean. I don't exactly want to always be a victim of my career/ men in my life (10th house). My father was highly critical and emotional abusive as I grew up, so I'm guessing that plays a role.

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posted September 27, 2016 11:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mergoatsun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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@Merg

Want to put your dad's chart up?


Sure! Not sure about his birth time since he lost his birth certificate but he says he was born at night.

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posted September 30, 2016 10:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 01, 2016 08:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Forgot to look at your dad's chart, M. Went on a trip lol Mars in Cancer hates traveling lol

Thanks for putting it up and I am looking forward to coming back and talking with you about it!

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posted October 01, 2016 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very close squares between important things--Sun, Mars, NN/Jupiter.

I fins these kinds of things can be so hard that the person can give up.

One of my clients had something like this.

He was an amazing person and a very accomplished person but he had sooo many bumps to the head, so to speak, that he gave up.


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posted October 01, 2016 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Uranus/Moon conjunction

very hard relationship with the mother. She may have been unstable or unsafe in some way.

His own emotions may "run away from him" and it is not his fault.

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Uranus/Moon conjunction

very hard relationship with the mother. She may have been unstable or unsafe in some way.

His own emotions may "run away from him" and it is not his fault.



Both of what you said is accurate. He actually had a very good relationship with his mom, but she died when he was a sophomore in high school and his dad was never there and borderline abusive to my dad. My dad hold a lot of emotion towards his mom, it's a loss he still doesn't know how to deal with. He definitely gets into emotional storms that he cannot control and it spirals. He's overall a good guy, and a good dad but he's also done some bad things because he couldn't control his emotions

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Very close squares between important things--Sun, Mars, NN/Jupiter.

I fins these kinds of things can be so hard that the person can give up.

One of my clients had something like this.

He was an amazing person and a very accomplished person but he had sooo many bumps to the head, so to speak, that he gave up.




Yes, my dad often feels suicidal, like life isn't worth living because of his condition. He also just gives up on things when he's too frustrated. He's done a lot with his life but he still only can focus on the negatives sometimes. I just try to make things better for him, even though we don't always get along


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