posted September 28, 2016 07:29 AM            

though I am rarely advocating larger orbs than someone else. But in this instance I seem to do. lol

BTW my Moon will progress into Virgo on 4th november, just a week before seeing the Tarzan-performance, just thought the timing was once again.... interesting.

"Well as long as there is some explanation for it but the declinations don't get the sign flavoring of longitude."
No, but they donīt need to.

"My moon is unaspected in declination and usually unaspected in synastry because it's at 0°31' S. Only higher degrees (above zero) can touch it, not lower, so that's half as many opportunities for conjunction."
I donīt really understand the reasoning. 00° is pretty much the zero-line. A lot of planets can fall there or directly below or above it.

It`s when a planet goes out of bounds at about 23°26 S or N and beyond that, that only few planets can reach it anymore.

posted September 28, 2016 07:30 AM            

though I am rarely advocating larger orbs than someone else. But in this instance I seem to do. lol

BTW my Moon will progress into Virgo on 4th november, just a week before seeing the Tarzan-performance, just thought the timing was once again.... interesting.

"Well as long as there is some explanation for it but the declinations don't get the sign flavoring of longitude."
No, but they donīt need to.

"My moon is unaspected in declination and usually unaspected in synastry because it's at 0°31' S. Only higher degrees (above zero) can touch it, not lower, so that's half as many opportunities for conjunction."
I donīt really understand the reasoning. 00° is pretty much the zero-line. A lot of planets can fall there or directly below or above it.

It`s when a planet goes out of bounds at about 23°26 S or N and beyond that, that only few planets can reach it anymore.

posted September 28, 2016 07:54 AM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
I would consider a 6° aspect in case one had a Venus ruled Asc or Sun (disposition) - especially when an outer planet is involved, because they can be looming b@stards.

Otherwise, I prefer to stop at 5° for hard aspects + trines.

I consider up to 3° orb for out of sign conjunction if a luminary is involved.

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Thanks, Venus.

I won't try and pull the wool over your eyes, calling what I have a "conjunction."

posted September 28, 2016 08:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
BTW my Moon will progress into Virgo on 4th november, just a week before seeing the Tarzan-performance, just thought the timing was once again.... interesting.

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Where exactly is his NN? 1 Virgo?

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
No, but they donīt need to.

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But I can sense more of the story if I know signs. Like I was saying, your moon sorta-trine LIBRA Pluto indicates what kinds of things you might get Plutonian about (Libra things, like theater. Though I'm too lazy to describe all the reasons I associate Libra with theater right now.)

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I donīt really understand the reasoning. 00° is pretty much the zero-line. A lot of planets can fall there or directly below or above it.

It`s when a planet goes out of bounds at about 23°26 S or N and beyond that, that only few planets can reach it anymore.

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So a planet at 23°26 is conjunct 0°?

posted September 28, 2016 09:31 AM            

I also have Mars at 9-S-39 and Pluto at 10-S-35, which I think is nice with my Scorpio Mars. It's always fun though using Astro.com to boost my orbs' size and see what aspects come up lol.

posted September 28, 2016 10:42 AM            

"But I can sense more of the story if I know signs. Like I was saying, your moon sorta-trine LIBRA Pluto"
Hmm, no I don`t think that is found in the Libra-placement of Pluto. After all this is generational and it`s not a whole generation into the same things like me.
I think it`s more my Mercury (and Sun) parallel Venus as well as Venus square the MC along with strong Neptune that explains my affinity with theatre. and Pluto on the MC square Venus introduces the dark romance themes.

"So a planet at 23°26 is conjunct 0°?"
No.
ACtually there are no conjunctions in the declinations.

There are longitudinal positions, there we have conjunctions and other aspects.

in the declinations we have parallel and contraparallel.

Anything between 01°N - 01° S is going to be parallel/ contraparallel your Moon. There are good chances someone would have something there. In terms of Sun, nodes or the angles for example anyone born near the equinoxes (00 Aries - 00 Libra) might have a position near to your Moon in declination.

posted September 28, 2016 11:03 AM            

Gonna do that and then get off this computer.

posted September 28, 2016 02:55 PM            

My Venus doesn't even act like a typical Venus, being 1° conjunct my Neptune and 3° conjunct Uranus. I relate to people in a rebellious, spiritual and charitable way.

Sun is conjunct Saturn by 6° and my moon is conjunct mercury by 1°57, NN conjunct ASC

Mars conjunct MC by 2°

posted September 28, 2016 04:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
I once heard somewhere that in declinations once can go up to a degree and twelve minutes.

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That's odd, I would think it's 1°30'.

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
I also have Mars at 9-S-39 and Pluto at 10-S-35, which I think is nice with my Scorpio Mars.

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To me that's a major issue: the chart usually has a theme, and when planets play into the theme very neatly, I observe it and want to communicate it. Orbs don't matter to me as much then.

So, for instance, I have a strong Saturn/Neptune theme in my chart.

Pisces moon square Neptune, with draconic Saturn conjunct Neptune and Venus:

18 Pisces moon
12 Sag Neptune
10 Sag draco Saturn
6 Sag Venus

Draco Saturn definitely aspects both Venus and Neptune and seems to unify them.

The theme, the pattern is echoed with:
* Venus ruling my Taurus SN
* Neptune involvement with my NN, because the NN trines my Pisces moon

Also, Venus is trine my 12H Saturn for those who accept 5.59° orbs. So another Venus-Neptune connection.

posted September 28, 2016 04:33 PM            

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Originally posted by waxlobster:
I say ask the native if they 'feel' it - you can't really guarantee more than 5 degrees when doing a reading.

Also to note are aspects that fall in the middle. For instance my Sun-Jupiter is more than 7 degrees apart but because Mars squares them both from a mid-point degree then both are activated and hence are made aware in the form of conjunction, or at least within the aspect pattern.

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Great point, thank you.

The Venus-Neptune readings describe me pretty well, but then again, they also look almost like carbon copies of Pisces moon readings, which I also have.

Thing is, Sag Venus tends to be a lot bolder in matters of the heart than I have ever been, and I think Neptune's presence there explains some of it.

If someone did a reading for me after just reading this site and the things that are said about Sag Venus (that we are just "players," out for fun, and can't settle down) that would not match my romantic history or objectives in the slightest bit. Venus-Neptune accounts for some of the ways that I deviate from the standard Sag Venus.

posted September 28, 2016 04:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
To me that's a major issue: the chart usually has a theme, and when planets play into the theme very neatly, I observe it and want to communicate it. Orbs don't matter to me as much then.

So, for instance, I have a strong Saturn/Neptune theme in my chart.

Pisces moon square Neptune, with draconic Saturn conjunct Neptune and Venus:

18 Pisces moon
12 Sag Neptune
10 Sag draco Saturn
6 Sag Venus

Draco Saturn definitely aspects both Venus and Neptune and seems to unify them.

The theme, the pattern is echoed with:
* Venus ruling my Taurus SN
* Neptune involvement with my NN, because the NN trines my Pisces moon

Also, Venus is trine my 12H Saturn for those who accept 5.59° orbs. So another Venus-Neptune connection.

I know I could make this even longer and more boring but I don't want to spoil you.

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I've always heard that it would be up to just one degree for declinations, not one degree and 30 minutes. However, if the latter is true, then it allows for more opportunities for parallels and contraparallels in my case.

As for everything else, I'm not sure what you're saying regarding "a major issue". Is there some sort of conflict that doesn't make sense with that? I'm just confused

posted September 28, 2016 04:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
though I am rarely advocating larger orbs than someone else. But in this instance I seem to do. lol

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YES

For the record, I can say on your behalf, you rarely mention orbs beyond 3° and tend to focus most of your attention on the 0-1° zone.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Hmm, no I don`t think that is found in the Libra-placement of Pluto. After all this is generational and it`s not a whole generation into the same things like me.

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Are we arguing again? Twice on one thread!

I'm gonna look and see what Jeffrey Wolf Green has to say. Not that I can take him too seriously because of the hair and fake accent. But his book on Pluto is teaching me things.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I think it`s more my Mercury (and Sun) parallel Venus as well as Venus square the MC along with strong Neptune that explains my affinity with theatre. and Pluto on the MC square Venus introduces the dark romance themes.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
If you have a body out of bounds however, let`s say Mars at 25 S, then chances are slim, that any planet will be parallel/ contraparallel it

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My Mars is at 25 N. Did you know or was that psychic?

posted September 28, 2016 04:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
I've always heard that it would be up to just one degree for declinations, not one degree and 30 minutes. However, if the latter is true, then it allows for more opportunities for parallels and contraparallels in my case.

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I'll have to check Kannon's site.

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
As for everything else, I'm not sure what you're saying regarding "a major issue".

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I meant, when it comes to determining whether two planets are conjunct or not, it may be more important to look at the chart organically and determine the orb from that.
Which is a controversial stance, ie "major issue."

Hope that makes sense?

posted September 28, 2016 05:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I meant, when it comes to determining whether two planets are conjunct or not, it may be more important to look at the chart organically and determine the orb from that.
Which is a controversial stance, ie "major issue."

Hope that makes sense?

ETA: Actually just the fact that charts do have themes, that's big to me, like mind-blowing...or it was, when I first started observing it. Another reason the word "major" came to mind.

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I'm sorry, but I'm still not sure exactly what you are getting at. I hope my statement about increasing the size of the orbs on Astro.com isn't what's causing the confusion; that was just some random non-linear thing that managed to crawl its way through onto the post.

In my declinations I have Mars at 9 degrees 39 minutes south, and Pluto at 10 degrees 35 minutes south, so naturally I assumed that they were parallel in declinations. Longitudinally they couldn't be conjunct because Mars is at the beginning of Scorpio and my Pluto is at 9 degrees Sag. However, they do seem to be parallel in declinations according to the orb size I listed (one degree was the orb).

Is there some sort of conflict that this parallel presents? I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at exactly still.

posted September 28, 2016 05:07 PM            

You gave a perfect example of a "theme" showing up in a chart.

So I took that opportunity to say something like, Oh yes, and while we're at it, I think conjunctions ought to have wider orbs if they play into a major theme of the chart.

posted September 28, 2016 05:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I meant that the fact that you have Scorpio Mars AND Mars aspecting Pluto in declination is typical of how charts work, where the same thing (Mars/Pluto energy in your case) appears again and again.

You gave a perfect example of a "theme" showing up in a chart.

So I took that opportunity to say something like, Oh yes, and while we're at it, I think conjunctions ought to have wider orbs if they play into a major theme of the chart.

Then I was saying, my Venus-Neptune conjunction is a little more valid or more important to me, because it ties in with the Major Theme of my chart, which is the interplay of Saturn and Neptune, in my opinion.

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OOOHHH, I GET IT NOW.

I was initially confused when you deemed it an "issue", so I was looking for what was considered problematic and got confused, when what you were really trying to say is that this reoccurring theme of Mars and Pluto continuously appears in my chart again and again and having a Scorpio Mars parallel Pluto is a perfect example of the representation of that theme. Is that right?

It makes sense, considering draconic placements as well. I have Draconic Ascendant and Mars in Gemini at 8 degrees, which would oppose my Natal Pluto in Sag at 9 degrees. Another Mars-Pluto connection. Though, my Draconic Pluto doesn't have any ties to my natal Mars. A lot of my draconic placements do have hard contacts to my natal Pluto though, which may explain some reasons as to why I feel so Plutonian, possibly.

posted September 28, 2016 05:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
I was initially confused when you deemed it an "issue", so I was looking for what was considered problematic and got confused, when what you were really trying to say is that this reoccurring theme of Mars and Pluto continuously appears in my chart again and again and having a Scorpio Mars parallel Pluto is a perfect example of the representation of that theme. Is that right?

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Yes!

Sorry for the confusion.

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
It makes sense, considering draconic placements as well. I have Draconic Ascendant and Mars in Gemini at 8 degrees, which would oppose my Natal Pluto in Sag at 9 degrees. Another Mars-Pluto connection. Though, my Draconic Pluto doesn't have any ties to my natal Mars.

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I'm so happy you have draconic Mars opposing natal Pluto...that's just another perfect illustration of the idea that charts have themes (strong Mars/Pluto theme in your case).

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
A lot of my draconic placements do have hard contacts to my natal Pluto though, which may explain some reasons as to why I feel so Plutonian, possibly.

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posted September 29, 2016 11:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Yes...layers upon layers.

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I actually took the time to see what aspects are there with my draconic placements to my natal Pluto. My draconic Pluto sits in the middle of Cancer and doesn't do much with my natal placements, but the other way around seems to have a lot of things going on!

Draconic-Natal:
Mercury Square Pluto exact
Neptune Square Pluto exact
Sun Square Pluto four degrees
Chiron inconjunct Pluto exact
Mars opposite Pluto two degrees
Ascendant Opposite Pluto one degree
Saturn conjunct Pluto five degrees
Midheaven square Pluto four degrees
Venus sextile Pluto four degrees
Jupiter in Scorpio conjunct ASC and Mars four degrees
Draconic Mars and Ascendant in natal 8th house

Another Mars-Pluto connection with my draconic Mars and Ascendant falling in my natal 8th house!! Just proves your hypothesis furthermore

posted September 29, 2016 12:20 PM            

I data that supports my theories.

posted September 29, 2016 02:30 PM            

I thought, it would be cool if my draconic Pluto was conjunct your Mercury or something. Just because we're talking about this. Because sometimes the synastry is reflected in the conversation, that's another pattern that comes up sometimes.