posted September 26, 2016 10:26 AM            

I feel weird saying they are conjunct. Not sure if everyone buys that.

posted September 26, 2016 10:38 AM            

and a 1.5 d conjunction of sat/merc

i consider the latter a major theme in my life since its so evident, the former i dont really know what it entails, plus a large portion of people would exhibit the same traits that are my age so maybe its hard to tell the characteristics in myself.

so dont really know how powerful

i'd consider 6 a medium/tiny bit mild conjunction

posted September 26, 2016 11:33 AM            

Except luminaries up to 10.

The argument could be made that applying might bump that up.

I think you're very in tune and much better than I with astrology. You know me.
My mercury and Venus are 9.13 apart. Do you sense a conjunction there?

posted September 26, 2016 11:36 AM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
The argument could be made that applying might bump that up.

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I think applying would show that in the progressed chart
because in your progressed chart if the planet is applying it will have moved

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Originally posted by DopGang:

I think you're very in tune and much better than I with astrology. You know me.
My mercury and Venus are 9.13 apart. Do you sense a conjunction there?

Actually I should go read about it and see what I think. I think that I did once and thought, "nah."

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Yeah I have jupiter opp sun 10 degrees and i read descriptions and it didnt really resonate

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Originally posted by DopGang:

My mercury and Venus are 9.13 apart. Do you sense a conjunction there?

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harmonious mannerism sure

posted September 26, 2016 11:42 AM            

The reason I chose 80%, I read in the search option, somebody pretty experienced here, I'm not certain if it was IQ or another I'm sorry I can't provide the link now. I felt they were pretty skilled in these details so I followed their method. It is very helpful to have the output only indicate the most narrow of aspects. It's less a confusing as well.

Oh, I forgot, I also read (elswhere) 3° or under, it depends on if it's luminary or object too. Astrokeen gave me specifics but the notes aren't with me atm. Asteroid-Asteroid of course the number is smaller. IIR, planet-planet is allowed more, every astrologer has a guideline of their own. From what I have learned, some go as far as 10° for planets, others might say 3°. (I am still new, thus all I can offer is what has been said by others).

posted September 26, 2016 11:42 AM            

I use 6 degrees for longitudinal aspects, as a rough rule of thumb, very rough guideline. But anything within 6 degrees is definitely there.

posted September 26, 2016 11:51 AM            

for synastry (for natal I would add 2°)

Orbs:
Category I 00°00-1°00 insistent

Category II 01°00-03°00 strong

Category III 3°00-5°00 weak

Category IV 5°00 – 6°00 subtle

But remember: just a rough guideline, midpoints, parallels/ contraparallels can make aspects that *seem* to be in wide orb, much more prominent, also planets that are tied to the angles.

posted September 26, 2016 12:38 PM            

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Originally posted by soren:
harmonious mannerism sure

i am not highly harmonious

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posted September 26, 2016 12:42 PM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
I read about it and I do feel that it relates to me but they're both in Virgo anyway so that could easily account for it. Hmmmm

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posted September 26, 2016 03:39 PM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
My mercury and Venus are 9.13 apart. Do you sense a conjunction there?

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Actually I'm not used to thinking of them together. When I think of your Venus, it's over there. And Mercury is over there. I've been translating you that way.

I know, I'm a weirdo.

But I think 12H planets might communicate with each other more because the 12H has better acoustics, so to speak. And to me, that reverb between them does seem detectable. But it could be my sensitivity, especially since my sun is trine your Venus. And I'm just familiar with Virgo, especially the second and third decans, so I pick up on things according to my experience (my "training" ).

I guess we all do, so it's a bit hard to speak a common language.

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Originally posted by DopGang:
The argument could be made that applying might bump that up.

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posted September 26, 2016 03:48 PM            

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Originally posted by MermaidDreamz:
Hi Faith.
Only one conjunction? Do you use asteroids at all? Or cross ref with different formats? I use 80% for my aspects.

The reason I chose 80%, I read in the search option, somebody pretty experienced here, I'm not certain if it was IQ or another I'm sorry I can't provide the link now. I felt they were pretty skilled in these details so I followed their method. It is very helpful to have the output only indicate the most narrow of aspects. It's less a confusing as well.

Oh, I forgot, I also read (elswhere) 3° or under, it depends on if it's luminary or object too. Astrokeen gave me specifics but the notes aren't with me atm. Asteroid-Asteroid of course the number is smaller. IIR, planet-planet is allowed more, every astrologer has a guideline of their own. From what I have learned, some go as far as 10° for planets, others might say 3°. (I am still new, thus all I can offer is what has been said by others).

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Thanks for all this.

I was pretty rigid for a while there, loving my even number patterns soooo much...

2° orb for asteroids and minor aspects (semisquare, semisextile, etc)

4° orb for sextile and quincunx

6° orb with a little wiggle room according to chart theme, for everything else in the natal except....

8° orbs for luminaries with all major aspects

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Then I saw a paper by Richard Tarnas advocating the use of wider orbs, and I haven't even read the article yet, because I'm not prepared to get my mind all disorganized again. LOL

posted September 26, 2016 03:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
6 degree conjunction in natal is valid, maybe not the closest, but valid.

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But what about 6.09°? That's what is driving me crazy.

It's okay if you say "No, I cannot say that's a conjunction, not in good conscience."

posted September 26, 2016 03:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Empty Spaces:
I have a venus-pluto square (8 degrees)
It was hard to admit even to my myself but I'm very obsessive!!!!

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posted September 26, 2016 04:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
I use wider orbs than normal typically, going as wide as 10 degrees for a conjunction with the orbs being amplified if an angle is in the mix. That Venus-Neptune conjunction should still apply, but of course you'll have to determine if what such a conjunction represents is true for you.

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I agree you are suppose to use wider orbs with conjunctions and if sun or moon are involved you can go even wider specially sun conjunct moon...

posted September 26, 2016 04:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
my personal orb categorization

for synastry (for natal I would add 2°)

Orbs:
Category I 00°00-1°00 insistent

Category II 01°00-03°00 strong

Category III 3°00-5°00 weak

Category IV 5°00 – 6°00 subtle

But remember: just a rough guideline, midpoints, parallels/ contraparallels can make aspects that *seem* to be in wide orb, much more prominent, also planets that are tied to the angles.

Anyawy personally I would not count my 8 degree trine of Moon and Pluto - however I DO count the Moon parallel Uranus and contraparallel Pluto.

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So I guess my Venus-Neptune is Category IV, subtle.

When I was reading up on the subject, I saw an astrologer propose that we interpret the orbs according to theme. An idea I like.

I can see how your moon-Pluto could explain the way that your emotions are caught up in theater and drama...as Libra is a theater sign, in my mind. Because Venus is square Pluto that might make Pluto even more "charged" and powerful, so wide orbs to Pluto are more felt?

Just playing with ideas....

posted September 26, 2016 04:18 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
But Venus conjunct Neptune by 6d should be felt I would think.

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"By 6d" means by 6-7°?

6.09° here.

Sorry, transiting NN in Virgo is right on my progressed Virgo ASC-moon conjunction.

I don't know how real Virgos can survive.

posted September 26, 2016 04:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I only have one possible conjunction in my chart, not counting declinations: Venus is 6.09° from Neptune.

I feel weird saying they are conjunct. Not sure if everyone buys that.

What orbs do you use?

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Yes, that is a conjunction, although wide and honestly needs an adjusted interpretation from the idea of Venus and Neptune in particle conjunction(within 1°). However, if you look at the declinations (planets' positions north/south of the celestial equator) you may find a closer relationship between them there.

Orbs depend on the planets involved. Sun separated from Moon by only 6° is a quite active conjunction, more so than the far smaller bodies of Venus and Neptune.

posted September 26, 2016 04:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
"By 6d" means by 6-7°?

6.09° here.

Sorry, transiting NN in Virgo is right on my progressed Virgo ASC-moon conjunction.

I don't know how real Virgos can survive.

The need for meticulous order is driving me bonkers.

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posted September 26, 2016 05:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

But what about [b]6.09°? That's what is driving me crazy.

It's okay if you say "No, I cannot say that's a conjunction, not in good conscience."

I'll manage. 'Just blame even more on my Pisces moon then. [/B]

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Are you kidding? We are debating about 9 minutes? I don`t think so, lady!

posted September 26, 2016 05:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

So I guess my Venus-Neptune is Category IV, subtle.

When I was reading up on the subject, I saw an astrologer propose that we interpret the orbs according to theme. An idea I like.

I can see how your moon-Pluto could explain the way that your emotions are caught up in theater and drama...as Libra is a theater sign, in my mind. Because Venus is square Pluto that might make Pluto even more "charged" and powerful, so wide orbs to Pluto are more felt?

Just playing with ideas....

Though I know that can be annoying, when it comes to orbs. I know you love perfect orbs and precision.

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No, actually your conjunction would probably end up in category II or III, as natal gets larger orbs, and this was for synastry.

Yes, I DO love my partile aspects. lol They are calling out, especially in predicitive charts.

But I also love patterns.

posted September 26, 2016 06:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Are you kidding? We are debating about 9 minutes? I don`t think so, lady!

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Soon your moon will progress to Virgo and we'll see how you feel about things then.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
No, actually your conjunction would probably end up in category II or III, as natal gets larger orbs, and this was for synastry.

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Oh I see. I was thinking Category IV became the 6-8° category for natals. Oversight.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I still donīt think my Moon-Pluto-trine is valid, mainly because there is no aspect on degrees in between 9-17 degrees, making a major aspect with both.
However my Moon-Pluto-contraparallel certainly is in play.

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Well as long as there is some explanation for it but the declinations don't get the sign flavoring of longitude.

posted September 26, 2016 06:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Yes, that is a conjunction, although wide and honestly needs an adjusted interpretation from the idea of Venus and Neptune in particle conjunction(within 1°).

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Thank you, Kannon!

Partile.....I had to look that up:

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PARTILE ASPECTS - Partile aspect is when two Planets are exactly so many degrees from each other as make a perfect aspect: as if Mercury be in nine degrees of Aries, and Jupiter in nine degrees of Leo, this is a Partile Trine aspect: So Sun in one degree of Taurus, and Moon in one degree of Cancer, make a Partile Sextile, and this is a strong sign or argument for performance of anything, or that the matter is near hand concluded when the aspect is so partile, and signifies good; and it's as much a sign of present evil when mischief is threatened.

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
However, if you look at the declinations (planets' positions north/south of the celestial equator) you may find a closer relationship between them there.

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Actually they seem further:

19°24' S Venus
20°50' S Neptune

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Orbs depend on the planets involved. Sun separated from Moon by only 6° is a quite active conjunction, more so than the far smaller bodies of Venus and Neptune.

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posted September 27, 2016 12:03 PM            

Otherwise, I prefer to stop at 5° for hard aspects + trines.