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Topic: Rasputin's natal chart and the Romanovs
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FruityLlama
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posted September 27, 2016 08:49 AM
  
I've become really interested in the Romanovs recently and thought it would be fun to look at his natal chart. I'm posting it also because I noticed that the Empress and her daughters have at least something in the 12th house (apart from Olga). Anastasia and her mother have a busy Gemini 12th house, which I find interesting in terms of their mental states. Queen Victoria had a loaded Gemini 12th house too, and I was reading that towards the end of her life she became quite strange and unpleasant. Alexandra was rumoured to be a similar character too. I was actually surprised by Rasputins lack of 12th house activity though. What do you think of his natal chart? I can post the princesses too if you'd like
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Isa
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posted September 27, 2016 11:33 AM
Such an interesting thread! I'm reading "The Romanov Sisters" as we speak. While I was reading, I kept picturing the 12th house because they were VERY reserved, the girls barelly left the house. They were constantly scared of something happening to them. Not to mention their son, he was very sick!IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted September 27, 2016 11:54 AM
Fruity Llama, Why do you choose to focus on H12? (one of my fave astrology subjects, this lot right here) IP: Logged |
FruityLlama
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posted September 27, 2016 12:03 PM
ahhh yes of course, 12th house= reserved nature. They were quite watery too weren't they? Yes they certainly were not a family who enjoyed the limelight...secretive and even after her death, Anastasia provoked mystery and conspiracy! IP: Logged |
FruityLlama
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posted September 27, 2016 12:06 PM
Venus: Well I just noticed as I was looking at these people's charts and thought..what a strange theme to run through a royal lineage and wondered if anyone could shed some insight or ideas onto it.In my personal experience, 12th housers have some real psychological struggle (please don't shout at me for generalising, I'm just explaining my reason for being kinda surprised but maybe I shouldn't be) I guess maybe there was a lot of karma involved with the Romanovs do you think? So many questions are just springing from this, sorry! IP: Logged |
FruityLlama
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posted September 27, 2016 12:09 PM
Also, Rasputins chart doesn't look overly mystical....or nasty, even...but his eyes tell me he wasn't a great guy though IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted September 27, 2016 12:12 PM
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ahhh yes of course, 12th house= reserved nature. They were quite watery too weren't they? Yes they certainly were not a family who enjoyed the limelight...secretive and even after her death, Anastasia provoked mystery and conspiracy!
And I thought I would find answers in H4 and H8!  There, water doesn't eludes us! I wasn't surprised to see the continued interest in Anastasia even after her death with her H10 in connection to H12 - but I think that H12 - ironically - is only the tip of the astro iceberg. Knowing what we do, it is eerie to look at her chart.
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VenusDiSirius
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posted September 27, 2016 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by FruityLlama:
Venus: Well I just noticed as I was looking at these people's charts and thought..what a strange theme to run through a royal lineage and wondered if anyone could shed some insight or ideas onto it.In my personal experience, 12th housers have some real psychological struggle (please don't shout at me for generalising, I'm just explaining my reason for being kinda surprised but maybe I shouldn't be) I guess maybe there was a lot of karma involved with the Romanovs do you think? So many questions are just springing from this, sorry!
Strong Saturn with occasional burst of Jupiter, when you look at the royalty ("western" royalty).
But the Romanov family is different, yes. The Neptuinan people (H12 stelliums) , outta this world, you know what I mean? IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted September 27, 2016 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by FruityLlama:
Also, Rasputins chart doesn't look overly mystical....or nasty, even...but his eyes tell me he wasn't a great guy though
He looks like a typical Pluto person.  IP: Logged |
athenaia
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posted September 27, 2016 12:29 PM
His chart is pretty fated The ruler of his ASC is conjunct the ruler of his DSC - an exalted moon at that
TWO yods almost in a star formation with his grand water trine
He would also have a grand fire trine his with Saturn, NN, and Neptune
Mercury almost exactly on his south node Funny we're also now living in a time where transiting Saturn is in Sag and the transiting Chiron is also in Pisces.. IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted September 27, 2016 12:36 PM
I keep seeing Yod formations in the charts, but can't seem to make out anything of them. IP: Logged |
FruityLlama
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posted September 27, 2016 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by athenaia:
His chart is pretty fated The ruler of his ASC is conjunct the ruler of his DSC - an exalted moon at that
TWO yods almost in a star formation with his grand water trine
He would also have a grand fire trine his with Saturn, NN, and Neptune
Mercury almost exactly on his south node Funny we're also now living in a time where transiting Saturn is in Sag and the transiting Chiron is also in Pisces..
Ah gosh yes I missed those yods, but I see them now! wow okay, so he was fated to become...whatever he became. I can't tell if he really was a healer or a con man. Oh good lord, I wonder what that could mean... He has a grand earth trine too doesn't he? IP: Logged |
FruityLlama
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posted September 27, 2016 12:40 PM
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I keep seeing Yod formations in the charts, but can't seem to make out anything of them.
Yods indicate a special gift or ability dont they? IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted September 27, 2016 02:40 PM
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Yods indicate a special gift or ability dont they?
SO THEY SAY SO THEY SAY.
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yungang_grotto
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posted September 27, 2016 02:44 PM
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yungang_grotto
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posted September 27, 2016 02:49 PM
I think they say... they denote fatedness, something the native of the chart doesn't fully understand which nevertheless informs many of their actions. When one becomes aware of the energy and potentiality of that which has not been fully integrated into the psyche (usually by a series of transits and synastry aspects to the midpoint of the two sextile planets), it can indeed denote a talent or gift. But it often isn't exactly perceived or experienced as such until this revelation and ownership and integration of the corresponding planetary energies occurs.IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted September 27, 2016 02:53 PM
Transiting Pluto itself reached the release point of one of Rasputin's yods at some point in his life, probably marking a powerful time of coming Ingo awareness of his own power, charisma, etc.IP: Logged |
FruityLlama
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posted September 27, 2016 06:13 PM
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
And I thought I would find answers in H4 and H8! There, water doesn't eludes us! I wasn't surprised to see the continued interest in Anastasia even after her death with her H10 in connection to H12 - but I think that H12 - ironically - is only the tip of the astro iceberg. Knowing what we do, it is eerie to look at her chart.
Sorry Venus, I totally missed this. Yeah youre right it is eerie. I need to keep looking at these charts. I wonder how the family-and history-would have been if things were different and they lived. The energy from the family were so eery I wonder what theyd have done if they had harnessed that energy....avoiding their own 'self undoing'
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FruityLlama
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posted September 27, 2016 06:17 PM
yungang: Ah thank you for explaining for me! And thats cool anout transiting pluto. i need to read rasputins story more thoroughly i think really, but that explains a lot doesnt it o.OIP: Logged |
Violets
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posted September 27, 2016 09:01 PM
I've always wondered about his chart as well, but it's so difficult for me to believe that anyone could list it with accuracy.  I'll take a look, though. They are a fascinating group of people to ponder about. Not that I would be tremendously helpful with astrological insights, although I do have them occasionally (usually from experience, rather than reading). IP: Logged |
FruityLlama
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posted September 28, 2016 04:50 AM
Violets: Thatd be great thank you! And I agree, I guess the validity of his asc is questionable (dd rating on astro i thiiink..?) I was wondering about his chiron actually. its not well aspected apart from the sextile to the sun... at a glance i wondered if he was a bit deluded in his abilities. I mean like maybe he genuinely thought he was a healer but from an objective stance was a manipulator...was also looking at his neptune when thinking that.. IP: Logged |
Violets
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posted September 28, 2016 10:41 AM
Wasn't he shot a number of times before they finally had to drown him because he just...wouldn't die? Maybe that was exaggerated as well, hard to say.  I'm only going off of vague recollections from what I read about them years and years ago. I'll have to brush up on my knowledge again, I think. IP: Logged |
BeholdAstarte
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posted September 28, 2016 11:03 AM
OoOoo angular Pluto/moon conj and Scorpio rising with angular Mars.. Looks about right lol maybe that's why it was so hard to kill the guy, and he was also known for his "hypnotic" eyes. Pluto/Scorpio are potent healing placements IMO IP: Logged |
waxlobster
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posted September 28, 2016 11:17 AM
Hmmmmn I don’t think Rasputin’s time of birth is available and a mid-Scorpio rising, is the simple rectification guess of somebody who’s not done the transit research. My guess would be that Chiron is on an angle just to start with… As for the 12 House emphasis, I’ve not seen the charts of the girls? I would think the 4th and 10th would be more emphasised; “confined to home by situation of birth right vs social climate.” The 12th doesn’t make people quiet, quite the reverse at times. What it does is make the native unaware of the planets in that house and so puts the out of touch with that part of themselves. For instance I’ve observed Mars in the 12th to be frequently aggressive in behaviour, with no intention or awareness of such, and for those with Moon in the 12th to struggle a great deal with understanding their own emotions.
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waxlobster
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posted September 28, 2016 11:20 AM
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Originally posted by FruityLlama:
Violets: Thatd be great thank you! And I agree, I guess the validity of his asc is questionable (dd rating on astro i thiiink..?) I was wondering about his chiron actually. its not well aspected apart from the sextile to the sun... at a glance i wondered if he was a bit deluded in his abilities. I mean like maybe he genuinely thought he was a healer but from an objective stance was a manipulator...was also looking at his neptune when thinking that..
I actually believe he was a healer....being a healer and a manipulator are not mutually exclusive ;-) For sure he seems to have been both, but he saved that boy's life....until he was exiled. IP: Logged |
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