posted September 29, 2016 03:32 AM            

In my lifetime, I remember hearing about the Law of Attraction (you bring into your life what you want/ manifest) back when I was just a little kid, and wondering about it - but no one ever talked about it then.

In recent years, especially post 2012, all of a sudden it is EVERYWHERE. Everyone I know who is a spiritual/ sensitive person on any level talks about manifesting and aligning and the LOA.

posted September 29, 2016 04:48 AM            

I am still at the fundamental stages of undertsanding. Thought i did, but there is more to it.

Some things i can manifest but others, not so.And the ones that i can't manifest , are the closest to my heart

posted September 29, 2016 05:42 AM            

(leo)

more and more people coming up with spiritual kind of destiny, trust in god, everything will work out kind of things

posted September 29, 2016 10:47 AM            

I have Venus conj Pluto in Scorpio on DC
Uranus in the 8th house, conj Saturn/Neptune in the 9th, opposing Jupiter in cancer in the 3rd, which also squares/makes t-square with my sun/Mars/Mercury conj in libra 6th.
Virgo moon which I've read to be drawn to occult/scientific studies.

posted September 29, 2016 10:54 AM            

I have tryed like repeating to the universe things id like to come true for me,to just happen,but.....

Its funny i have pisces moon and its in 8th house and no matter how much id like to belive in something like this,it just does not happen as someone would think. I actually tend to be quite sceptic even though i love exploring. But thats probably square between my moon and mercury doing its thing.

posted September 29, 2016 11:13 AM            

For example, I have severe Major Depression. It impairs my functioning significantly and without medication I am extremely suicidal. Good thing I have medication, right? All I'm saying is the Law of Attraction cannot give a person everything. There are certain laws it cannot bypass. No one is going to suddenly develop the ability to turn trees into money at the snap of a finger. Feelings on their own aren't enough to produce anything.

posted September 29, 2016 12:19 PM            

You need to change in a way, in order to prove to the Universe that you are open to even more change.

posted September 29, 2016 01:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Lerena:
I don't believe in the Law of Attraction. To me it sounds like a way to point fingers at survivors of abuse, people with mental health issues, and victims of severe levels of trauma as if to say they wanted what they got. These people are not always at fault for the stuff they've experienced. Some people do legitimately 'play the victim' on purpose, but the ones that suffer frequently aren't always able to escape the situations they're in. it is a fact that suffering exists that no one can possibly be 'attracting'. Some things that occur just happen without a clear reason.

For example, I have severe Major Depression. It impairs my functioning significantly and without medication I am extremely suicidal. Good thing I have medication, right? All I'm saying is the Law of Attraction cannot give a person everything. There are certain laws it cannot bypass. No one is going to suddenly develop the ability to turn trees into money at the snap of a finger. Feelings on their own aren't enough to produce anything.

All of this said the power of belief can motivate a person to make the changes that the Law of Attraction is otherwise said to bring. Really, if it's within your ability, you can get it for yourself without asking the universe to do everything for you.

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I have a feeling that this topic might be moved. But in the meantime, i am all in agreement with you.

I think the whole basis of this is that "you are the attractor of your own experience" etc. So this won't stand without fail if we extend it to "its only when positive things happen that you are the attractor of your own experience. But the rest is beyond your own control"

I am also grappling with the idea that i could attract someone to kill me. Or my brother could attract someone who could beat him to the icu

posted September 29, 2016 01:59 PM            

about law of attraction, i have my own beliefs, own desires, own connection to the universe. i sometimes even dont want to control my life just to see what the universe has planned.

posted September 29, 2016 03:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Lerena:
I don't believe in the Law of Attraction. To me it sounds like a way to point fingers at survivors of abuse, people with mental health issues, and victims of severe levels of trauma as if to say they wanted what they got. These people are not always at fault for the stuff they've experienced. Some people do legitimately 'play the victim' on purpose, but the ones that suffer frequently aren't always able to escape the situations they're in. it is a fact that suffering exists that no one can possibly be 'attracting'. Some things that occur just happen without a clear reason.

For example, I have severe Major Depression. It impairs my functioning significantly and without medication I am extremely suicidal. Good thing I have medication, right? All I'm saying is the Law of Attraction cannot give a person everything. There are certain laws it cannot bypass. No one is going to suddenly develop the ability to turn trees into money at the snap of a finger. Feelings on their own aren't enough to produce anything.

All of this said the power of belief can motivate a person to make the changes that the Law of Attraction is otherwise said to bring. Really, if it's within your ability, you can get it for yourself without asking the universe to do everything for you.

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I have more anxiety than depression. I'd say Law of Attraction did help with my anxiety, but I still have to take medication.

posted September 29, 2016 03:48 PM            

Mars 9th house
Grand Air trine with Jupiter, Mars, and Moon.
Sun trine Jupiter
Jupiter trine ASC

posted September 29, 2016 04:17 PM            

I agree, it's not blaming the victim. And I hope you don't think I was talking about you, I wasn't.

posted September 29, 2016 06:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
It's not blaming the victim, it's trying to show the victim's level of power. It's saying you are a cosmic force with the power to determine your experiences according to deep and perhaps subconscious or karmic needs. But if it's true that people choose hardship, that they choose to get mugged or have horrible things happen....then it's equally true that they can choose regeneration, miracles, extraordinary healing.

Usually these videos and books start out by breaking you in to the idea of change: Consider that new pathways for mental functioning are available. Be open to that, first of all.

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In my opinion though putting forth my own effort to get what I want is much better than trying to use the universe to give me what I want without any form of action on my part. The Law of Attraction could make sense in some form, but there aren't any established restrictions regarding what it can and cannot do. This is unrealistic, because very few things are going to just randomly occur because you want them to.

Like I said, however, the power of belief can motivate a person to start making changes in their lives. This doesn't mean it's the Law of Attraction. It just means they found something to believe in and even if I don't personally think it's real I'm not going to deny that believing in something is important. People are free to believe it exists. Unfortunately, too many people rely on it to give them what they want without even trying to actively change the situation on their own. If you make the effort to get what you want I'm sure there's a higher chance to get it than if you just wait for the universe to make it come to your front door.

posted September 29, 2016 06:28 PM            

But I have noticed that when I worked magick (a type of LOA in a different cover) that I could only use the creative kind (meanwhile, experimenting with prayer showed that even that which was likely to pass almost certainly didn't if I prayed for it). One bit from my life that I think is behind this is that I was raised where my parents were alcoholics best avoided (which is why I believe prayer doesn't work for me). But not wanting to be hit again for waking them up but very hungry, I formed a plan (that included the use of a chair with spatula and wooden spoon) that I, just turned 5, was able to fix my own cereal. And as I ate, a warm feeling of independence rushed through me, and the belief that no matter how capricious the adults, I could take care of myself...and that's why I believe prayers turn out badly for me while spells--as long as they're creative and original on my part--work.

But it's also worth noting that I have a packed 5H stellium (moon-Mars-Neptune-Uranus) and that would also encourage creativity as a means for expression (and expressing my will in this world).

Perhaps it's my packed 3H Libra sun and stellium that also lets me see that everyone is connected. That also means the LOA is being used by everyone...including, say, serial killers. And that by affecting ourselves, we're affecting others, just as they (and their LOA) affects us. I think this Twilight Zone episode (where one gets the ability to rewrite the lives of others, which she only does as a good deed, affect more than the one life she writes about) was brilliant in that metaphor (and while not my absolute favorite, this ranks pretty high of TZ favorites for me):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqPgxXKjjdY

posted September 29, 2016 06:35 PM            

A woman at the PTSD support group I used to go to spent some time in jail for beating the crap out of one (who had basically told her it was her own attitude that got it, when she had been caught unaware when she was targeted as a victim) while demanding to know where the new ager's spiritual protection was now (and she told us the jail time was worth it). Word of advice: people react to trauma in many ways, and even PTSD can manifest in various forms, but PTSD sparks adrenaline which can make them much more violent (so don't talk about their trauma so glibly, especially to say it was their fault).

posted September 29, 2016 06:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Lerena:
If you make the effort to get what you want I'm sure there's a higher chance to get it than if you just wait for the universe to make it come to your front door.

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That's just it. It does depend on individual effort, but the Law of Attraction says there is a tendency towards cooperation between the universe and one's Higher Self, if we can engage that part of ourselves (though not all proponents would use that expression, "Higher Self," I'm just trying to give the general idea). Some people try to get it to work without actually doing the spiritual groundwork, and in that case, it does seem a little futile and hocus pocus.

To me it's as simple as: So, assuming it's real, how do we tap into this?

I am not invested in it from an ego point of view, I don't identify with it or adopt it like a political stance, and I'm not an evangelist.

It's just something to keep in mind as a tool. I've experimented, I've seen it work or so I think (could've been coincidence!) and have no reason to NOT believe in it, since no harm can come of it, as far as I'm concerned.