posted October 05, 2016 09:51 AM            

My first reaction to the news was --- probably a plotline for the show -.- but then news in my country actually reported it and i was like - ok so maybe it did happen if even our news are reporting it ,but then again the more you try to inform yourself on the topic the stranger it gets . Paris is not some village without cameras on the streets or lux buildings ,so where are the vids of those people geting in and out of the buildings ? The hotel is in a buisy street,someone would have noticed masked men or men dressed as police at given time - why would they need to tie her down,i mean one could have held her at gun point making sure she is standing still while the other was taking what they needed , the word ''gaged'' also bothers me very much and is probably one of the reasons people find it hard to belive the story,such small details in writing can and will affect perception of readers .

posted October 05, 2016 10:02 AM            

I'm trying to think of another situation where someone was injured or terrorized, and people were mainly laughing saying they deserved it.

posted October 05, 2016 10:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Radium:
Yea I've noticed some evil comments too, I think most people mindlessly type what they think will get them popular without being conscious of the fact this really happened , and she is VERY lucky to be OK, I bs a lot but when it pertains to someones life its a whole new ballgame. Some people are saying they would've shot her for being a h0e or whatever, its nonsense and if someone around me ever said some **** like that to my face I will not hesitate to beat the **** out of u..she's a mother, sister and wife of 2 and a women should never have to go through anything as traumatic as this. If I was kanye these robbers are lucky the didn't kill her but the fact they touched my wife means someone has to get a beat down, doesnt slide with my Pisces 4th house sun,

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posted October 05, 2016 10:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
So if she had been raped, shot, or killed, would it still be okay to ignore the human side of it and talk about how her family is just trashy?

I'm trying to think of another situation where someone was injured or terrorized, and people were mainly laughing saying they deserved it.

I can't think of one.

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posted October 05, 2016 10:46 AM            

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No one said that

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Plenty of people are saying things along those lines.

I guess I should be happy that most people live so, sooo far removed from actual suffering that they cannot imagine this kind of terror. Instead I'm thinking of how selfishly most of us live, that we don't deliberately seek out suffering people and try to understand their pain and help.

posted October 05, 2016 10:57 AM            

I think you need to relax,
selfishness and evilness of the world are not a new thing,you dont need a celebrity most people dont like to get mugged to see that,just look at all the wars and stuff

posted October 05, 2016 12:21 PM            

Look at that natal. Look where her Mars is. For me, it's right on my aVx. How about that...

Ok, Neptune Moon Venus T-square. I know well what a moon Neptune square can do to a person. I have it too. Fights with depression. Seeking release from it, sometimes in... um... less than healthy ways... For her, it's moon opposite Venus. I've seen moon hard aspect Venus too. In women, it's can be a conflict between mother and daughter, or internal between what you love and what you value, or a conflict between love and sex... And Neptune is called on as the apex of the t square to sort it all out. Only Neptune deals with things by hiding or desolving. And Neptune is in the first. So Neptune has perhaps a tendency to hide the self (or the true self) in the process. She becomes dehumanized.

And yet... The Mercury uranus conjunction. Trine Moon, sextile Venus... It's another out for the Moon Venus conflict. Mercury uranus doesn't have an off switch. For some, it seems as though they can't turn off the constant flow of information into their brains. They are overwhelmed by thought. But (or maybe in addition) for her, it's in the 11th, at least Mercury is, the house of society at large, so it's constantly broadcasting *out*. And in Scorpio, so it has that sexy vibe attached, especially with earthy virgo Venus and dreamy Pisces Moon involved.

What a chart setup for dehumanizing a playboy centerfold. Even Mars in the 12th, just hidden but felt on the asc, just to make the point. Here is a person who your first reaction is... well... Mars... Fight or the other F word. (Not flight).

posted October 05, 2016 02:21 PM            

This also feels like it's off, and that my natural reaction is to assume it was a set up as it involves a celebrity who is known for craving publicity--by any means

posted October 05, 2016 03:04 PM            

Not to mention her entire show is pure smoke and mirrors - every detail is publicized to the fullest extent from her marriages/divorces, her family feuds, her relationship with Kanye, the birth of her children, every magazine cover she lands, every spat she has with another celebrity.. all blown out and made heavy-handed through the corny lens of reality TV.

So finally, when a dire and serious situation actually happens to her, one tends to react as they would with anything Kardashian related. Surely this "must be a farce", because everything they do has just been camp (to the fullest extent of the genre).

Without meaning to, she's turned herself into "the boy that cried wolf" - all of the frivolous drama of her past makes this serious circumstance of hers now seem unbelievable.

Anyway, my sincere opinion is that violence against women - any kind of woman with any kind of background - is unacceptable and should always be taken very seriously.

posted October 05, 2016 03:42 PM            

She's a wh0re and I hate her
She's on display and I hate her
She got divorced too soon and I hate her
She married Kanye and I hate her
She got robbed and I hate her
She's crying about the robbery and I hate her

People don't skip a beat.

@athenaia, Funny, I was listening to a song called Smoke and Mirrors as I was reading this thread earlier.

Her ASC = Mars/Neptune midpoint & other things mentioned.

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posted October 05, 2016 04:34 PM            

She's lucky to be alive, because you can turn on the news any day of the week and see people killed over their purse, jewelry, car, or the cash they have in their pocket. People also go to great lengths to rob a bank or armored car, and wouldn't get anywhere near $10 million, so she was incredibly naive to think she would not be targeted. I feel bad for her to have gone through something so traumatic, but maybe it will teach her a lesson about what is really important in life. Maybe she'll be a little less materialistic knowing that she could have been killed over jewelry, although I doubt it.

I want to make it very clear, that I am not hating on her. It's just plain old common sense that if someone goes around flaunting their wealth for all the world to see without adequate security, they are making themselves an easy target. I can only conjure up so much sympathy for someone when they end up getting robbed, and that doesn't make me a bad person.

posted October 05, 2016 04:51 PM            

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It's like when someone has a tiger as a "pet" and gets killed by the tiger. They really should've seen that coming.

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True....

Same if she had been raped though. She exposes herself a lot, so if that happened, people would say "What do you expect?"

So there is that line between living in fear (no jewels, no revealing clothing) and living extravagantly but sensibly.

posted October 05, 2016 04:54 PM            

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Meh. What she posts on social media is irrelevant because she's so famous anyway. She brought nothing more on herself by doing that than by being a Kardashian.

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I think this is valid, too.

posted October 05, 2016 04:57 PM            

This is the picture of her ring posted just days before being robbed. The thieves were specifically targeting this ring, so her flaunting of wealth did make her a target.

posted October 05, 2016 05:04 PM            

'Learned that most celebrities have fake duplicates made of their actual jewelry, so it's odd that she had the real jewelry with her.

posted October 05, 2016 06:32 PM            

First, I know it's her Nessus and the events pof but a) I understand these are often reversed in interpretations b) I'll try interpret via her being Nessus. But c) I don't have a clue about calculations so if it's insignificant for one reason or another pls correct me.

Here's wikis take on the myth:

Nessus is known for his role in the story of the Tunic of Nessus. After carrying Deianeira, the wife of Heracles, across the river, he attempted to force himself upon her. Heracles saw this from across the river and shot a Hydra-poisoned arrow into Nessus's breast. As a final act of malice, Nessus told Deianeira, as he lay dying, that his blood would ensure that Heracles would be true to her forever.

Deianeira foolishly believed him. Later, when her trust began to wane because of Iole, she spread the centaur's blood on a robe and gave it to her husband. Heracles went to a gathering of heroes, where his passion got the better of him. Meanwhile, Deianeira accidentally spilled a portion of the centaur's blood onto the floor. To her horror, it began to fume by the light of the rising sun.

She instantly recognized it as poison and sent her messenger to warn Heracles but it was too late. Heracles lay dying slowly and painfully as the robe burned his skin—either in actual flames or by the heat of poison. He died a noble death on a funeral pyre of oak branches. Heracles was then taken to Mount Olympus by Zeus and welcomed among the gods for his heroic exploits. A similar theme appears in certain versions of the story of Medea.

broken down:
1) Nessus desires another person so much he'll take by force
2) the other person is rescued by their partner
3) Nessus turns the rescuing against the victim and the partner who thwarted
4) by persuading the victim to kill the other but in the belief they're ensuring loyalty.
5) trying to ensure loyalty recycles the desire/force theme
6) but the victim turned perpetrator .. this time the desiring/forcing meets with regret rather than it being passed on.
7) the protector dies as a result of his own possessiveness.

From this, the themes are:
1) uncontrollable desire (have felt and seen Nessus to be this)
2) a depiction of a *chain* of desire from complete lack of control, to contained intention to a reaction. Everyone suffers. I.e where there's desire and an act of intervention to do with that
3) what is worn as a protective thing is the weapon

I don't really know how to interpret that in relation to this event after all that but I think the passing on of a crime could be relevant I.e the info could have come from well before Paris and maybe a security slip as in the myth those protecting only create a vulnerability. Maybe someone who knows more details can find some relevance in this

posted October 05, 2016 07:18 PM            

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I will be frank; don't feel terribly sorry, especially when you go flashing your jewels to millions online.

This also feels like it's off, and that my natural reaction is to assume it was a set up as it involves a celebrity who is known for craving publicity--by any means

But then again, people say the streets of Paris aren't exactly safe and some dude just walked right up to her days prior to this.

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