posted October 21, 2016 12:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I think it is first important to have a solid working understanding of karma before inserting it into astrology. It cannot be summed up as Saturn influence alone, and karma is not retribution (a human desire or action) or punishment. It is not synonymous with any conventional measuring stick of morality. Karma is also not really 'good' or 'bad', but lessons tied up in circumstances/relationships that are perceived as desirable (good) or undesirable (bad). There is a wealth of enlightening information regarding karma in the Kryon material, but generally mixed in with other metaphysical topics (Kryon book series and online audio: http://www.kryon.com/k_freeaudio.html )

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Thank you for this info Kannon

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I completed my karmic 'debt' for this lifetime in the period from March 2003 - September 2004, which is when Pluto (15-19° Sagittarius) was in transit square my Asc (17° Virgo). Neptune was 11-13° Aquarius during that period, squaring my natal Saturn (and semi-sextile my Moon 12CAP08 for part of it). Saturn was parallel natal Mars, then Mercury, Venus. Those are the only transits that ran the bookends of that period.

It was specific to a particular relationship in which the other person asked something of me that she trusted only me to give and I knew it was not simply a matter of her pressing her need upon me. (At the time of her request Saturn was ending its transit square to my Asc.) We had already established a soul closeness, like family, that allowed me to fulfill her request with the only fulfillment to me being a spiritual one -- knowing that I had given freely out of love. Period.

What Linda Goodman said about karma being negated by Love is true. In fact, more true than other assertions you may read from eastern literature on the topic of karma. And I am saying this as a Zen practitioner.

Feel free to email me directly for more specific information on this. Sometimes a person can go through an especially dark and difficult period (dark night of the soul), because they have actually completed their karma and feel no more reason to live. This is a phase, an illusion, but a very revealing moment in which the umbilical between Spirit and our inner emotions is revealed. Having gone through this and made it out and into a whole new life I am nearly uniquely qualified to mentor others through such an experience.

Peace.

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posted October 21, 2016 01:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Yes, I have noticed a connection, especially with Saturn transits, but it's hard for me to talk openly about things that I regret.

Maybe I would tell you if it was just you and me having coffee, but not on a message board.

Then again I can think of so many things that don't seem like me anymore, I wince at past memories all the time, even if I wasn't doing anything technically wrong....it just doesn't feel like me anymore.

My sun is in mutual reception with Saturn.

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Faith you've grown and matured. You should't be ashamed, be proud for rising above the old persona. I am always changing, and would never do now the things I used to.

But when I think of karma, I think of it as the universe giving you a lesson you need to learn either from wrongs you need to right or because you just didn't do things right the first time around. Sometimes I wish the universe would dole it out like punishment, but i get that it doesn't always work that way...

posted October 21, 2016 07:09 PM            

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Originally posted by bananaz:

How did you know you were fulfilling your karmic debt? I'm not sure if I'm going through that period you mentioned but i definitely feel over life and completely okay with dying, and I hope it is just a phase for my daughter's sake. How long did the phase last for you?

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I did not know until well after the experience. The Kryon material showed me what I needed to know. I highly recommend it. It will give you everything you need to know. It is an intuitive knowing. Specifically book 1, possibly 2 & 3 if you need them. However, there should be the info you need on the website. Read everything related to karma, and 'neutral implant.' Don't doubt it. It is quite real.

During the transition out of a life purpose being guided by karmic debt, there can be about 3 months in which there seems to be nothing -- no motivation, no apparent purpose in moving forward. That period is for any change in your spiritual guidance 'personnel' that may be needed. Once the transition is over you may find your passion for life and sense of purpose renewed beyond anything you've ever experienced.

If not, then don't just let it ride. Make sure it is not simple glandular imbalance/depression.

posted October 21, 2016 07:26 PM            

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Originally posted by bananaz:
Faith you've grown and matured. You should't be ashamed, be proud for rising above the old persona. I am always changing, and would never do now the things I used to.

But when I think of karma, I think of it as the universe giving you a lesson you need to learn either from wrongs you need to right or because you just didn't do things right the first time around. Sometimes I wish the universe would dole it out like punishment, but i get that it doesn't always work that way...

I have a full 12th house and I could see how some of those placements might be karmic debt I needed to pay off. Just wish I could understand why.

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posted October 22, 2016 12:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
Is karma *** -for-tat, you think? Or is it just the right amount a person needs?

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Don't you wish it was? I don't yet fully understand how Karma works but I'm trying to. Defintely going to read those books Kannon mentioned ^^^

posted October 22, 2016 12:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I did not know until well after the experience. The Kryon material showed me what I needed to know. I highly recommend it. It will give you everything you need to know. It is an intuitive knowing. Specifically book 1, possibly 2 & 3 if you need them. However, there should be the info you need on the website. Read everything related to karma, and 'neutral implant.' Don't doubt it. It is quite real.

During the transition out of a life purpose being guided by karmic debt, there can be about 3 months in which there seems to be nothing -- no motivation, no apparent purpose in moving forward. That period is for any change in your spiritual guidance 'personnel' that may be needed. Once the transition is over you may find your passion for life and sense of purpose renewed beyond anything you've ever experienced.

If not, then don't just let it ride. Make sure it is not simple glandular imbalance/depression.

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posted October 22, 2016 04:59 PM            

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Originally posted by bananaz:
Don't you wish it was? I don't yet fully understand how Karma works but I'm trying to. Defintely going to read those books Kannon mentioned ^^^

Lately I've been asking everyone I know what they think of it. The most common answer that I get is that most people believe in karma but that it never works right away or how we'd like and sometimes we never get the pleasure of seeing it. But I've yet to meet someone who doesn't believe in it at all, which is comforting. To answer your question, I'd guess its the right amount people need. Whatever their souls purpose needs to evolve...

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Absolutely. "As a man sows so shall he reap" is not a statement of punishment, but of the cause and effect that is karma. What consciousness do we put into action? If you sow apple seeds, you will get apple trees, not orange trees. As our consciousness/energy investment builds and crosses lifetimes because a person ends a lifetime with certain things left unresolved (resentment, unforgiveness, fears, anxieties, feelings of obligation to another, guilt, scale not balanced), then it carries over to the next one. We pick up the unresolved lessons/karma with no memory and in circumstances/primary relationships that will trigger it and nudge us to resolution.

So the universe has justice built into it, but the arc is long, because the time scale of evolution is long.

posted October 22, 2016 05:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Absolutely. "As a man sows so shall he reap" is not a statement of punishment, but of the cause and effect that is karma. What consciousness do we put into action? If you sow apple seeds, you will get apple trees, not orange trees. As our consciousness/energy investment builds and crosses lifetimes because a person ends a lifetime with certain things left unresolved (resentment, unforgiveness, fears, anxieties, feelings of obligation to another, guilt, scale not balanced), then it carries over to the next one. We pick up the unresolved lessons/karma with no memory and in circumstances/primary relationships that will trigger it and nudge us to resolution.

So the universe has justice built into it, but the arc is long, because the time scale of evolution is long.

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posted December 17, 2016 07:29 PM            

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Originally posted by bonsai:
I might have one. I remember being best friends with this girl since childhood and, when I went through my first breakup, she was gloating over my misery. She had never been through heart break herself but she was happy to see me suffer. One time we were together with another girl and this girl asked me about my relationship experiences, and my "friend" piped up immediately and said "bonsai's had her heart broken." and the girl responded with "Well haven't we all?", my friend replied boastfully with "not me!" and seemed happy with herself. I was so angry at her for having spoken on my behalf there as she had no right and I didn't exactly feel comfortable opening up about my "heartbreak" (that she defined for me without my permission) with a girl whom I didn't know too well.

Anyway, fast forward a few years, this same friend started her Saturn return where she had a kid with a guy who was an abusive deadbeat loser. It was the messiest relationship and her first real one, which ended up dissolving by the end of her Saturn return, and with her own heart broken worse than mine ever was.

Karma? Maybe, maybe not. But I do ponder.

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posted December 18, 2016 11:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
Instant karma, or near instant karma, is very rare.

Maybe not 'rare', but it's not something that happens often.

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posted December 19, 2016 01:07 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I wonder why that is?

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posted December 19, 2016 02:56 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I wonder why that is?

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posted December 19, 2016 11:33 AM            

great points!

posted December 19, 2016 02:09 PM            

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Originally posted by bonsai:
Don't know. Maybe it's to give the person a chance to rectify their wrong, whereas if karma was dealt instantly or near instantly, then it's not giving the person a chance to realise their wrong and try to rectify, learn and grow from it. In addition, it also gives the person who's been wronged the chance to forgive and find peace, as the art of forgiveness doesn't come easily to everyone, and so learning to forgive is a lesson in itself (of course I can understand situations that are so extreme that the person may never be able to forgive but that's a whole other kettle of fish).

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posted December 20, 2016 05:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
@bonsai,

great points!

But if they rectified their behavior, will they still have to balance the energy later on? It's one thing to do something bad out of ignorance, but another to do it out of willful cruelty and being a poisonous person.

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posted December 23, 2016 05:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Yes, I have noticed a connection, especially with Saturn transits...

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I would say the same.

Although, its people with Leo or Scorpio aspects that have given me the most karma right now.

Weird..one Leo gives then another "drains" me.
It seams go in that pattern...