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bananaz
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posted October 17, 2016 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bananaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Have you noticed any karma playing out through transits-- either your deserved karma or karma your enemies have been dealt from their offenses against you?

Or if you have noticed any type of connection between karma and astrology, please use this thread to share. I'd love to read your stories. I've heard Saturn is the big karmic connector, but how so?

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posted October 17, 2016 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I have noticed a connection, especially with Saturn transits, but it's hard for me to talk openly about things that I regret.

Maybe I would tell you if it was just you and me having coffee, but not on a message board.

Then again I can think of so many things that don't seem like me anymore, I wince at past memories all the time, even if I wasn't doing anything technically wrong....it just doesn't feel like me anymore.

My sun is in mutual reception with Saturn.

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posted October 17, 2016 09:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonsai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I might have one. I remember being best friends with this girl since childhood and, when I went through my first breakup, she was gloating over my misery. She had never been through heart break herself but she was happy to see me suffer. One time we were together with another girl and this girl asked me about my relationship experiences, and my "friend" piped up immediately and said "bonsai's had her heart broken." and the girl responded with "Well haven't we all?", my friend replied boastfully with "not me!" and seemed happy with herself. I was so angry at her for having spoken on my behalf there as she had no right and I didn't exactly feel comfortable opening up about my "heartbreak" (that she defined for me without my permission) with a girl whom I didn't know too well.

Anyway, fast forward a few years, this same friend started her Saturn return where she had a kid with a guy who was an abusive deadbeat loser. It was the messiest relationship and her first real one, which ended up dissolving by the end of her Saturn return, and with her own heart broken worse than mine ever was.

Karma? Maybe, maybe not. But I do ponder.

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Kannon McAfee
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posted October 17, 2016 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it is first important to have a solid working understanding of karma before inserting it into astrology. It cannot be summed up as Saturn influence alone, and karma is not retribution (a human desire or action) or punishment. It is not synonymous with any conventional measuring stick of morality. Karma is also not really 'good' or 'bad', but lessons tied up in circumstances/relationships that are perceived as desirable (good) or undesirable (bad). There is a wealth of enlightening information regarding karma in the Kryon material, but generally mixed in with other metaphysical topics (Kryon book series and online audio: http://www.kryon.com/k_freeaudio.html )

I completed my karmic 'debt' for this lifetime in the period from March 2003 - September 2004, which is when Pluto (15-19° Sagittarius) was in transit square my Asc (17° Virgo). Neptune was 11-13° Aquarius during that period, squaring my natal Saturn (and semi-sextile my Moon 12CAP08 for part of it). Saturn was parallel natal Mars, then Mercury, Venus. Those are the only transits that ran the bookends of that period.

It was specific to a particular relationship in which the other person asked something of me that she trusted only me to give and I knew it was not simply a matter of her pressing her need upon me. (At the time of her request Saturn was ending its transit square to my Asc.) We had already established a soul closeness, like family, that allowed me to fulfill her request with the only fulfillment to me being a spiritual one -- knowing that I had given freely out of love. Period.

What Linda Goodman said about karma being negated by Love is true. In fact, more true than other assertions you may read from eastern literature on the topic of karma. And I am saying this as a Zen practitioner.

Feel free to email me directly for more specific information on this. Sometimes a person can go through an especially dark and difficult period (dark night of the soul), because they have actually completed their karma and feel no more reason to live. This is a phase, an illusion, but a very revealing moment in which the umbilical between Spirit and our inner emotions is revealed. Having gone through this and made it out and into a whole new life I am nearly uniquely qualified to mentor others through such an experience.

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posted October 17, 2016 10:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
karma is not retribution (a human desire or action) or punishment. It is not synonymous with any conventional measuring stick of morality. Karma is also not really 'good' or 'bad', but lessons tied up in circumstances/relationships that are perceived as desirable (good) or undesirable (bad).


Yes I don't know how other people percieve it but I think some kind of (well this is what i previously thought they thought) think that each "bad" action they do somehow god or the universe keeps a tally and is like "you deserve bad things to happen to you because you were selfish"

when its really a more reactionary thing, you kick someone, then you let out a metaphysical hostility to one person, thatt means you express it to everyone, other people pick up on your moods you reflect, my dad trash talks my aunt, i can tell that he'd say the same thing about me, what you put oout comes back,

its more of self degeneration than anything. its something that happens as we age. some people are thrown into ghetto lifes but i dont think its from karma, unless that is just where their soul felt like they resonated to from years of their previous existences.

that is IF there are any souls,

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:

Sometimes a person can go through an especially dark and difficult period (dark night of the soul), because they have actually completed their karma and feel no more reason to live. This is a phase, an illusion, but a very revealing moment in which the umbilical between Spirit and our inner emotions is revealed. Having gone through this and made it out and into a whole new life I am nearly uniquely qualified to mentor others through such an experience.

i've gone through this as well. thought i perfected my spiritual understanding and that i should just die. really didnt want to die. if you think about it as a baby there is no mission or puporse, or even for the unviverse as a whole, we just live because we exist.

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posted October 17, 2016 10:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by bonsai:
I might have one. I remember being best friends with this girl since childhood and, when I went through my first breakup, she was gloating over my misery. She had never been through heart break herself but she was happy to see me suffer. One time we were together with another girl and this girl asked me about my relationship experiences, and my "friend" piped up immediately and said "bonsai's had her heart broken." and the girl responded with "Well haven't we all?", my friend replied boastfully with "not me!" and seemed happy with herself. I was so angry at her for having spoken on my behalf there as she had no right and I didn't exactly feel comfortable opening up about my "heartbreak" (that she defined for me without my permission) with a girl whom I didn't know too well.

Anyway, fast forward a few years, this same friend started her Saturn return where she had a kid with a guy who was an abusive deadbeat loser. It was the messiest relationship and her first real one, which ended up dissolving by the end of her Saturn return, and with her own heart broken worse than mine ever was.

Karma? Maybe, maybe not. But I do ponder.


That is THE definition of smug.

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soren
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posted October 17, 2016 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
That is THE definition of smug.

it's likely the result of self hurt that they had built up

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posted October 17, 2016 10:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You can take it from me, a heavy Saturnian. I can bet you that if I go out and kick a homeless person and yell profanity rudely, at innocent bystanders, that I will suffer from from like 5, or 6 years, of bad karma.

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posted October 17, 2016 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by soren:
it's likely the result of self hurt that they had built up

Like projection?

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posted October 17, 2016 10:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
as you feel inside you will reflect out

anyone that feels good within won't be mean. everyone knows what they are doing on some spiritual sense.

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Sulkyarcher
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posted October 17, 2016 10:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Karma, to me, personally, is just cause, and effect. Of course the effects can be painful sometimes.

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posted October 18, 2016 12:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Faith,

don't regret it too much. We do things that we wince at later, usually when we're young, because we did it out of ignorance.

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posted October 18, 2016 07:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sunnya     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would probably have a look at Pholus transits too.

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posted October 18, 2016 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BeholdAstarte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with what @Kannon has said, very much so about the law of karma.

I believe my chart/my life is heavy with karma, I've chosen to burn off from past lives and ready to lighten my karmic load for my next lives.

My dad and I relationship is karmic I think, we are super close, I know I've known him in a past life before, we might have worked together.. I don't know how to explain it, but there's this interesting dynamic between us.. Especially when we are making things, designing/architecture. The bond is almost urgent feeling and it can be really uncomfortable too? I feel like a huge part of my karma in this life is to stay by him.. It's hard to explain. His 12th house cusp is in Leo, I've read before that could indicate karma with children, and his Pluto is in 12H conj ASC.

My chart has a 7planet t square in the 3/6/9 H with my sun/Mars/merc conj squaring Saturn/Uranus/Neptune opposing Jupiter/Chiron. My Venus is In Scorpio conj Pluto in my DC and I strongly believe this is a strong magnetic influence in my chart that kind of leads me into these karmic or what feels fated relationships. Where people are either irritably drawn to me or the opposite, people have such an intense reaction to me, I am really learning about projection, people really are projecting themselves on me all the time, there's a lot to learn.

When Pluto comes in contact with my Venus/Pluto conj I seem to meet Plutonian people, especially right now.

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posted October 18, 2016 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lerena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Have you noticed any karma playing out through transits-- either your deserved karma or karma your enemies have been dealt from their offenses against you?
I do not have any astrology charts on my enemies. I haven't made any since middle school. That said, I can't confirm if any "karma" played out.

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Or if you have noticed any type of connection between karma and astrology, please use this thread to share. I'd love to read your stories. I've heard Saturn is the big karmic connector, but how so?
I've had karma transits during significant events in my life. I'm not sure I believe in karmic punishment, but the karma asteroid has indicated painful moments before.

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posted October 19, 2016 10:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cottonball     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Someone who was very cruel to me while I was going through difficult times, and then mocked me for it!...like who does that? Who goes to someone and says "haha! you're going through something traumatic". Fast forward 2 months and they experienced the EXACT same bad situation I had been going through. Saturn was squaring their Moon exactly. I never got smug about it...can't risk a retaliation from karma sadly they did not learn their lesson and are still behaving badly. I feel sorry for people like that. It can't be fun always having hate in your heart.

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posted October 19, 2016 11:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by soren:
as you feel inside you will reflect out

anyone that feels good within won't be mean. everyone knows what they are doing on some spiritual sense.


I believe this, too, Soren. With all but one of the people in my life who have ever hurt me or been mean to me on purpose, I know for a fact that they'd already been through rough experiences in this lifetime and were (directly or indirectly) acting out of hurt, shame, grief. With the one person, I don't know the explanation yet.

Kannon, I find your comments here very interesting. Karma is one of those things that I don't completely understand, in a bigger-picture way, in terms of how it works in the universe overall. In my own life, I've experienced it not so much as a debt I owed someone, but an opportunity to be of service, a task I had the (happy) opportunity to complete.

There was an eclipse at the time in a very tight square to my Sun.

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posted October 19, 2016 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lucia23:
Kannon, I find your comments here very interesting. Karma is one of those things that I don't completely understand, in a bigger-picture way, in terms of how it works in the universe overall. In my own life, I've experienced it not so much as a debt I owed someone, but an opportunity to be of service, a task I had the (happy) opportunity to complete.

There was an eclipse at the time in a very tight square to my Sun.


Yes, service is the most common general way in which we address both our personal karmic lessons or burdens, and learn the other lessons that allow us to evolve and become more well rounded souls. The place where joy and service meet is a special place of grace and sychronicity.

In this way, no knowledge of the particulars of our own karma is needed. Awareness of past life deeds can be affirming or traumatizing. The barrier to the subconscious can be quite merciful. By focusing on service we can develop the qualities that build attitudes of brotherhood and unity.

Karma is understood by many as simple cause and effect of thoughts and actions, and that is perfectly fine. If more folks had this perspective then humanity would be much better behaved. Sometimes when karma is brought up it means specific personal lessons or debt I may carry as an individual that I am responsible for learning/bringing to a conclusion.

In the end it is unconditional Love -- genuine compassion -- that replaces karma as a way of relating. When we do this we help humanity evolve and create greater happiness for ourselves and our offspring.

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posted October 19, 2016 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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@Faith,

don't regret it too much. We do things that we wince at later, usually when we're young, because we did it out of ignorance.


Thank you for this nice comment, Sulkyarcher.

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posted October 19, 2016 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Someone who was very cruel to me while I was going through difficult times, and then mocked me for it!...like who does that? Who goes to someone and says "haha! you're going through something traumatic". Fast forward 2 months and they experienced the EXACT same bad situation I had been going through. Saturn was squaring their Moon exactly. I never got smug about it...can't risk a retaliation from karma sadly they did not learn their lesson and are still behaving badly. I feel sorry for people like that. It can't be fun always having hate in your heart.

A sociopath?

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posted October 19, 2016 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cottonball     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
A sociopath?



Well she has Moon square Pluto sooo....probably lol.

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posted October 19, 2016 09:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
[b] A sociopath?



Well she has Moon square Pluto sooo....probably lol.[/B][/QUOTE]

Uh oh, does that mean I'm a sociopath? I have Moon square Pluto.

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posted October 19, 2016 10:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cottonball     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Uh oh, does that mean I'm a sociopath? I have Moon square Pluto.

I was just kidding!! No one aspect could cause a personality disorder.

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posted October 20, 2016 12:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by cottonball:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
[b]Uh oh, does that mean I'm a sociopath? I have Moon square Pluto.


I was just kidding!! No one aspect could cause a personality disorder. [/B][/QUOTE]

Heehee!

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posted October 20, 2016 12:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Faith,

regret, shame, and guilt, can all be toxic. Brung too far they can lead someone into a very dark path.

Perhaps you're not feeling any of those things, but I'm just saying.

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