posted October 23, 2016 06:57 AM            

I'm having this question for a while now.

Suppose a person's ascendant is in Libra, but they have Pluto conjunct the AC. Do you believe that this person will look and behave more like a Scorpio rising or a Libra one?
Of course they will have the characteristics of both signs in their personality, but I wonder how it will affect the people they attract. Whether they will attract more Aries sun people (attracted to Libra risings) or Taurus sun people (who are generally attracted to Scorpio risings)?

There will also come a question of modality of the looks and behaviors. Whether they will behave more fixedly (Pluto) or cardinally (Libra)?

thanks in advance for all the responses

posted October 23, 2016 07:41 AM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
thanx charlie!

how about the relationships in your life? with your Mars on AC (regardless of the sign), how do you interact with taurus/libra and scoprio/aries suns? do you have them as your friends/significant others?

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posted October 23, 2016 08:07 AM            

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Originally posted by headintheclouds91:
Some look and behave like pluto and some look and behave more like a Libra in my experience. Like me for example i have a gemimi rising with my moon in the first house and i look nothing like a gemini the only part i can relate to physically when it comes to gemini is that i look younger than what i am. I am curvy, short and have an emotional face- http://www.flickr.com/photos/106526535@N06/25585989380/in/datetaken/. But i walk fast, eat fast and even talk fast sometimes. People that know me find me a little confusing and never know and find it hard to see what mood i am in. A lot of my friends are air and fire suns but guys i have been attracted to have had something in earth and water mixed in with either fire or air.

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this is my mother's placement too and you have exactly described her haha. she married a man (my father) who has water sun and fire rising.

posted October 23, 2016 08:08 AM            

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I work best with men and women that display the typical Aries characteristic and am also married to an Aries.

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posted October 23, 2016 08:30 AM              

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
this is my mother's placement too and you have exactly described her haha. she married a man (my father) who has water sun and fire rising.

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posted October 23, 2016 08:48 AM            

On one hand it is very much the Neptune effect i.e the energy is not a "stand alone" but merges with the planet. And then on the other hand, it is very much "Aries" in nature- in that the merger becomes inseparable and accentuated.

So people see the energy and the planet simultaneously i.e

Moon in Aries in the 1st house is both caring(Moon) and very combative(Aries).

Mars in Libra in the 1st house is both assertive(Mars)and very charming(Libra). Wants to win(Mars) by charming/mesmerizing the socks off of you(Libra).

Pluto on the Asc(Libra) would "harness" the contradictory energies of Venus-ruled Pluto and Libra together.

The advantage is that this person has great dominance and power of influence(Pluto) in one-on-one relationships(Libra).

With this energy being on the Ascendant especially, they can use their Venusian resources to make massive impact on others.

If they happen to be beautiful.The influence of that beauty(Libra) is accentuated(Pluto) and seems to captivate others. Even if there are other who are more beautiful than they are. They remain mesmerizing to others.

Personality wise,there could be a preoccupation with how one looks or their physical appearance. Sometimes one has strong feelings about their appearance-either positive or negative. But seldom indifference.

Often the self- image will go through many phases(and rarely settling into one). Because the individual wants to "capture" the fleeting essence of projected "vibe".

There could be many makeovers or an obsession with looking/coming across in a certain way. Sensitivity is heightened when it comes to rejection of any sort as well as distrust.

Pluto on the Asc makes the personal image VERY important. They are not the type to be made fun of or appear in any way "foolish". So they may appear a tad more "serious" about looking good.

There is added reservation here with Pluto conjunct- perhaps a fear of making the 1st move in case they are rejected? So people often assume the individual secretive or the type to "keep to themselves".

I know someone with Pluto in 1st(Asc in Libra) but not conjunct. And he loves to look good and spends money on fancy clothes.

Looks(Libra)are very important to him and the mate that he is attracted to. That he may even tolerate a bad attitude from them-so long as they look gorgeous.

I would say his attraction is more towards the Venus types i.e Taurus/Libra and those with an emphasis on looks/looking good.

The nature of Pluto does however make him quite jealous and wanting a high level of "control". But he does not show this openly as Pluto on the Asc makes him keep it to himself.

He behaves in a manner that is quite FIXED imo. He tends to follow through on things, very dependable and is the types that keeps things in i.e slow to express himself and not prone to being boisterous or vivacious.

Also, his physique tends more towards a square frame with "meaty" bone structure- rugby player physique i.e well-developed legs and broad shoulders. Even to a point of being mistaken for one-even though he has never played the sport.

He definitely has the physique that says "I can take it"-of which I largely assign to fixed signs. Endomorph body type definitely

posted October 23, 2016 09:46 AM            

thank you for your insightful analysis!

posted October 23, 2016 11:09 AM            

thanks in advance for all the responses

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A little contribution : Yes I think too the planets on angles (ASC, DSC, MC, IC) are very strong and work harder on angles more sign : I find those informations on the web and it seems right in comparaison with my planet conjunction to DC/ASC. So here for pluto and Jupiter conjunct Asc, if it can help you a little to answer to your question

Pluto conjunct Asc (http://astrofix.net/2015/03/18/pluto-ascendant-aspects/):

Mesmerizing. Magnetic. Intense. Captivating. Entrancing. You don’t reach out to people, you wait for people to be drawn to you. You’re an enigma and people are fascinated by you. You don’t engage, you hypnotize. Opening doors to secret places with just a look. Gaining access to mysterious places by looks and manner alone. Making people believe you are powerful. You intimidate people. Making people believe you do in fact know secrets. Curl of concealment. No one says hi to you first.
The Persuader. The power of presence. Your physical presence alone influences others. You make an impact wherever you are and whomever you are with. You make people squirm. In the shadows. Walking unnoticed in the underworld. The ability to navigate shady places without drawing attention. You can pass among thugs and criminals if you want to. You could be cast as a villain, or maybe the good guy who’s misjudged as one. People project their image of the bad guy onto you. You try to control what people perceive of you. Never revealing your hand. Never showing anyone how it’s done. Magicians. Going to the grave with your secrets. Should we trust you? The awareness and ability to prey on the weak and easily duped. The blackmailer. Digging out the dirty deeds of others. Stop looking at me like that! Eagle eyes. Drawn to the dark. That voodoo that you do.
Your face may be left in a state of perpetual grief after enough hardship. Your appearance transforms after every upheaval. You’re not gregarious – unless you’re hiding something. The ugly duckling who transforms into the beautiful swan. Complete, drastic makeovers. Plastic surgery addicts. Having power over your looks. The theater of appearance. Liking to wear costumes and dressing up. Halloween is your favorite holiday. You know how to dress up to either command a room or disappear into it. People can’t take their eyes off you. You appear to be a mystery. Unwilling to let others in. You break others down to see what they’re made of but you won’t let them do the same to you. You consider yourself an agent of change and transformation. People fear you’ll out their secrets. People feel like you’re probing them – what will you discover?
Living an intense existence. Approaching life as a struggle for survival. Need for privacy. A tendency to control yourself and others. Not free-flowing. Focused outlook. Not scattered. Controlling through concealment. OCD. Ability to regenerate your approach again and again. You don’t give up. You’re relentless facing life’s storms. You can start from scratch … setback after setback. The struggle to be noticed … to be truly seen … is it even possible? Do you really want it? Tension with parents and authorities because of extreme living conditions. Keeping what you notice to yourself. Waiting for someone to acknowledge they know you see things. The immediate environment is so extreme that there is nothing else to be afraid of. The pressure of immediate circumstances make you shine like a diamond. Surrounded by death. You experience so much that you lose fear, which draws weaker-willed individuals closer to you. Bearing the brunt of heavy circumstances.
I have a very strict gun control policy: if there’s a gun around, I want to be in control of it.”
― Clint Eastwood
Being raised by much older, wiser people. Spending a lot of time with grandparents and elders as a child. The controlling influence of family members. Being the object of a power struggle among family members: Grandma v. Mom, Mother-in-law v. mother-in-law, Mother-in-law v. daughter-in-law, etc … Being controlling because you feel overly controlled. Eventually learning to be unperturbed by intense people. Being able to handle the scrutiny of others. In the extreme, wanting control over other people the way other people have control over you. I can destroy you, but you can’t destroy me. Being aware of death in the environment from a young age. Initiating states of change. Feeling like you’re waiting for permission to live your life.
People with this placement often have lived with a grandmother in the family and often established a stronger bond with her than other family members – and this in a culture where the extended family is increasingly a thing of the past. ~ Sue Tompkins, Aspects in Astrology
Not being truly content to sit back and go with the flow. Needing to have influence and sway over others. Using fear of change to control others. Forcing others into states of transformation. You are most likely someone’s compulsion and obsession. The mask of death. You’re not good at being truly casual, it’s all too contrived. You act all secretive. You act like a spy. You act like a researcher. You act like a investigator. You destroy your self-image over and over. Are you purposely trying to ruin your looks? Or, are you so afraid to deviate from your look that you haven’t changed in 20 years? Deep fears of rejection based on appearance. A fascination with your own appearance. In the extreme, obsession with your appearance. Transforming your external appearance. Or, so deeply involved with the underside of life that you hardly ever look in the mirror. Inability to let go and be free-flowing in expression. Destroying people’s expectations. Not being who you appear to be. Concealing your real self. Concealing your super powers. Hiding in plain sight … yet people can’t take their eyes off of you.

Jupiter conjunct Asc (http://astrofix.net/2015/10/15/jupiter-ascendant-aspects/):

Expanded vision. Seeing far and wide. Broad horizons. A desire for wide-open spaces. Born free. Visionary. The eyes of the world. World vision. Cultural vision. Cultural exposure. The ability to see from another’s viewpoint. Growing your viewpoint. Opening your eyes to the world. Future vision. Seeing the possibilities. Expanding to take in the larger picture. Seeing the broad overlay. Life is an adventure. Life is a journey. Move first, pack later. Looking for adventure. Up for anything. Big bouncy fun. Enthusiasm. A casual manner. A relaxed and joyful attitude. A positive outlook. Everything will work out. Everything will fall into place. A leisurely pace. Taking it easy. Big Lebowski. Self-satisfied. C’est la vie. A comedian. A Buddha.
Search for meaning in everyday life. Finding meaning as you go along. Seeing the big picture. Expanded perception. Taking it all in. Seeing opportunities. Seeing opportunities for growth. Trying your luck. Putting caution to the wind. Entering situations with gusto. Boldness has magic in it. Seeking more education. Becoming a teacher. Seeking a teacher. Traveling to foreign lands to become inspired. Traveling to foreign places to expand your world view. Liking to be around people who have different culture and customs than you do. Filtering life through a meaningful lens. Finding meaning in everything. Inability to buckle down and get to work. Wanderlust. Stars in your eyes. “Backpacking through Europe.” Having a hostel punch pass. Accumulated frequent flyer miles. A-list preferred member on travel sites. REI club member. When’s the next X Games?
Judgments from on high. The judge. The sentencer. The proclaimer. The preacher. The prophet. Leading with opinions. A talker rather than a listener. Not allowing others their turn to express opinions. Preconceived notions. Not listening to others because you’re too enamored with your own opinions. Feeling that you’re better than everyone. Deep thinking doesn’t mean you’re better. Broad vision doesn’t mean your better. Sometimes luck is just luck. Sometimes you make your own luck. Don’t take good fortune for granted. Recognize your good fortune by giving back to others. Prone to exaggeration. Pomposity. Arrogance. Better than thou attitude. Looking down on people. Interest in world culture, events, and politics. Seeing plenty rather than lack. A stoic surface. The ability to take more and bounce back. Gaining fortitude. Conscious awareness and conscience. Having innate faith. Believing in your own vision. Believing in your path. Getting the most out of life. Leaps of faith. Keeping a sense of humor. Not getting pulled down into the muck of life. Retaining an optimistic outlook. Bouncy castles.
Having a big presence. Making an impact. Wanting to experience a range of life experiences. Knowledge through first-hand experience. A hands-on approach to embracing your role in life. Taking on big roles. Playing Dad. Playing God. Playing The Thinker. Playing the King. Playin The Ruler. Playing The Priest. Playing The Fool. Philosophic outlook. Interest in world affairs. Interest in politics. Taking risks. Prospecting. Justice. Truth. Preaching. Right and wrong. Talking at people rather than to them. Loving the sound of your own voice. Teaching. the accumulation of knowledge. the search for meaning. You seem foreign. You grow up in foreign surroundings. You’re dealings are with foreigners. You deal with big wigs. You deal with the wealthy. You deal with influencers. You run in big circles. Extra of whatever is represented by the sign that Jupiter is in.

posted October 23, 2016 11:49 AM              

in fact these scoprios^^ above seem more jovial.

compare drake, a scorpio along with the darkish skin coloured woman on the mid, these are uninfluenced by pluto plain scorpians. (because a whole generation was likely having conjunctions for our millenials)

posted October 23, 2016 12:47 PM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
@Aries23Degrees

Thank you for your insightful analysis!

If you have the time, would you please also give your opinion about someone with Jupiter conjunct AC in Leo? thank you!

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I have often wondered why Jupiter is not exalted in Leo.

Sagittarius solar 9th house is Leo. And Sag is the "eternal student". And the eternal student then must learn form the eternal teacher right?

Also in Vedic,the 9th house is the father. But Leo also represents the father. So Leo in the 9th has a double emphasis on father.

I have no experience with this one unfortunately. But i would imagine that personality wise, this could be someone who likes to be respected for their ideas and their ability to counsel and give good advice.

If the Sun is badly aspected or Jupiter, there is a tendency for them to think very highly of themselves and therefore even look down on others or be the type that will give you advise . And if you don't take it, are immediately offended or force you to do what they want

The opinions are strong and prone to be quite sensitive to criticism or disagreements.Often lashing out on others that may have a differing opinion than theirs. As the idea of being 'shown up' or contradicted is not something they like.

They can be excellent at teaching/training others as they often impart wisdom with warmth, patience and with generosity.

Physically, you'd expect someone who looks like father Christmas or Big Momma But this is not the case.

Jupiter can give height or width and with the added presence of "self conscious" Leo. Being known for being smart is just as important as being known for looking good.

Leo/Sun on the Asc may produce an imposing person.As the physical endowments of the individual can be quite "generous"- especially if Pluto is added in the mix by aspecting the Asc

Now if you add Jupiter( the "increaser"), the end result here can be someone tall,big or both.But not necessarily overweight. Just very fleshy.

Since the Asc is conjunct Jupiter, look and compare the following;

Brock O Hurn has Jupiter conjunct Sun in Leo. And he is some kind of Instagram sensation. And I would imagine this would be the result in men.

In women, Sable (the wrestler) has Jupiter conjunct Sun in Leo and though not that tall. She does give the impression of being a statuesque beauty queen.

Fabio has Jupiter in Sag squaring the Mc in Leo. And he was a male sex symbol that appeared in romance novel covers in the 90's and epitomized the strapping "hero" ideal. Pluto square Jupiter and conjunct Mid-heaven too.

My own father has Moon in Sag trine Mercury /Venus/Mars/Pluto conjunct in Leo and he is very tall. The tallest in his family and quite imposing.

Now am not sure of his Asc, but I suspect it supports the Leo/Sag trine union.

posted October 23, 2016 04:28 PM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
Hello all!

I'm having this question for a while now.

Suppose a person's ascendant is in Libra, but they have Pluto conjunct the AC. Do you believe that this person will look and behave more like a Scorpio rising or a Libra one?

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To sign-based folks they may seem like a Scorpio riser, but those qualities will be coming from Pluto. Remember, the planets 'rule' the signs, the principles behind them.

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Of course they will have the characteristics of both signs in their personality, ...

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Only if the Asc/Pluto are very close to the end of Libra, thus leaving Scorpio to cover the rest of the 1st house. Otherwise, Scorpio is irrelevant to this pictures.

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... but I wonder how it will affect the people they attract. Whether they will attract more Aries sun people (attracted to Libra risings) or Taurus sun people (who are generally attracted to Scorpio risings)?

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You're actually inquiring about the behavior of a very wide range of unidentified persons with a wide range of charts. The answer could often be 'neither.'

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There will also come a question of modality of the looks and behaviors. Whether they will behave more fixedly (Pluto) or cardinally (Libra)?

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Libra is cardinal no matter what. No planet at the Asc or in strong aspect to it changes the modality of the sign on the Asc. The person may alternate in how they act or deal with things, but what is certain is Pluto deepens and intensifies the Libran qualities, leading the person to eschew the typical superficiality of Libra and to be more anchored, more empowered in relationship, tends to endow them with more stamina and resourcefulness.

Study Example: Corsican model Laetitia Casta (chart/bio on ADB)

I have verified her Asc as 10 Libra [4 south] (4 degrees from Pluto 14 Libra). She is not married, but the father of her child born in 2001 is photographer Stephane Sednaoui (b. 27 Feb 1963, Paris) (His natal Moon 17 Aries - 2 Taurus). His Sun at 8° Pisces is quincunx her Asc 10 Libra. His Jupiter is at 4 south, parallel her Asc. His Mars 7° Leo is sextile her Asc.

Their daughter Sahteene (b. 19 Oct 2001) has no planets in Taurus or Aries. She does have three in Libra, however, two of which (Mercury 15°, Venus 5°) sandwich her mother's Asc (and square mama's Moon 10° Cancer).

Laetitia was engaged to Italian actor Stefano Accorsi (b. 2 March 1971, Bologna). (His Moon 13-27° Taurus). His Sun 11 Pisces is also quincunx her Asc. His Uranus 12LIB46 [4S23] is conjunct/parallel her Asc.

They have two children, Orlando (b. 21 Sep 2006) and Athena (b. 29 Aug 2009).

Orlando's Mercury 14° Libra and his Mars 8° Libra also sandwich mama's Asc 10° Libra. Orlando also has no planets in Taurus or Aries.

Athena also has no planets in Taurus or Aries. Her Mercury in early Libra is +/- 3S52, also parallel mama's Asc; Saturn 4N44 is contra-parallel it.

As of 2015, Laetitia Casta is in a relationship with French actor Louis Garrel (b. 14 June 1983). Again, no planets in Taurus or Aries, but his Saturn and Pluto are in Libra. His Venus 8° Leo is sextile her Asc; Uranus 6.4° Sagittarius is sextile it;

So, you can see it is more about planets in aspect to a verified Asc than signs.

posted October 31, 2016 03:54 PM            

It is always best to use photos of a person when they are young or in their prime so as to see the facial outline more clearly. Fat, water retention, and sagging with middle and old age distort our perception of the basic features (as does surgical alteration). I usually search the person's name with "young" in front of it.

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These are all Scorpios. Notice that only one really has intense Pluto energy?
That's the one who has Pluto conj ascendant. Scorpio is just fixed water.

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Are you certain about that? If you mean DiCaprio is the only 'Plutonian', that is incorrect. (I have worked with his chart a bit but have not yet brought it to a validated conclusion). His "AA" rated chart is considerably off. He is not Libra riser, therefore does not have Asc applying conjunct Pluto. He definitely has four factors (Moon, Merc, Uranus, Pluto) in Libra, so some of those qualities are there in the form of the cardinal air signature (5 planets in cardinal signs, 4 in air). In fact, DiCaprio may be one of the least Plutonian people in your photographic example. His headshots as shown here make Virgo rising possible, but it is more likely Leo.

Bill Gates -- he's not Cancer rising as the ADB chart shows (based on a rounded hour time from memory), but he is virtually the very definition of Plutonian whether or not any circle chart offered up indicates it. The very nature of his wealth and his ruthless personality are very strong indications of his Plutonian nature. So "Plutonian" is not found just in outward appearance, but in determination.

Here is his mugshot from 1977. Notice the square jaw and very squared off blunt chin, highly indicative of strong fixity, and possible primary Pluto aspect.

There is no chance he has Cancer rising. Any idea what his actual Asc is? (Pluto 21N48 contra-parallel MC.)

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Originally posted by soren:
i might be wrong but to me planetary rulerships are a hypothesis.

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Not for me. Planetary significators for the signs are well established and have been verified using color spectrum analysis by astrologer/engineer John Willner (more or less agreeing with conventional rulerships). It should be considered workable theory. I have proved it for myself in highly detailed
technical rectification work for years now. So, yeah, you're wrong.

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i just compared jupiter conjunct sun's to sagitarrians and sagitarrians dont
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Not surprising since signs not synonymous with planets. (But the keyword there is 'seem'.) Co-relation is not equivalency. Planets are bodies of energy that are specific points. Signs are 30° wide arc segment expressions of a planetary principle or vibration, which makes them more general, less concentrated, more watered down.

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in fact these scoprios^^ above seem more jovial.

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Partly because they are having their pictures taken. Photographers and subjects generally like smiles with pictures.

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compare drake, a scorpio along with the darkish skin coloured woman on the mid, these are uninfluenced by pluto plain scorpians. (because a whole generation was likely having conjunctions for our millenials)
they aren't plutonian in the slightest. they are however- are what scorpio at its primality is. a fixed water sign. thats it. no intensity.

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Really? So certain based on single photos taken at a single point in time?

I have been around Scorpio types my whole life. My sister is a double Scorpio. They all have the intensity. They just express it in different ways.

2nd guy on row 1 - Joaquin Phoenix has Pluto contra-parallel his Venus-Mars, but that may not be enough to consider him 'Plutonian.'

Because there is no birth time made public for him there is no basis to say he is not Plutonian -- unless you know something we don't.

The other guys on row 1 are unknown to me.

Last person, guy on row 1 looks quite possibly Plutonian to me (extremely

bright eyes with tight iris fibers, strong constitution yet watery wet look, plus

dark ring around the iris, plus the squarish/full face). Neptune and/or Moon
could be themes in his chart as well.

Row 2 - already covered Bill Gates; the older woman looks familiar, but don't know who she is;

As to Katy Perry (I believe she is on 2nd row to right of Drake), she was born when Sun was 2° Scorpio conjunct Pluto 2° Scorpio. That is the most prominent aspect according to what you've recently posted yourself, and I agree it is an unavoidable factor in that person's astrological energies. She is quite Plutonian, as evidenced by her tremendous creativity and profound rdrive. I don't recognize the last woman in that row.

Last row - I vaguely recognize the first guy, don't know who he is; Matthew
Morrison was born when Moon was in Libra, possibly conjunct Pluto 17 Libra
or contra-parallel it; Demi Moore has Pluto in wide CP aspect to her MC (she is Aquarius rising, not Pisces); Martin Scorsese definitely is not a Leo riser as the ADB chart suggest, but has Asc 7 Cancer/23 north parallel Pluto 23 north (chart timed previous eve).

In order to be certain we are matching actual rising sign/planet characteristics with the person we do have to have certainty of the correct chart, which can only be achieved through a native/astrological correlation, not an outside fact record alone.

posted October 31, 2016 04:08 PM              

I dont see why you would say leonardo is not a libra riser. they have his birth certificate recorded time. to me he is the most plutonian. i know his asc is apparently 5 degrees from the asc, but when you draw out the pluto angle (12 degrees above) and you draw the horizon slant, it is actually conjunct pluto by 2.7 degrees.

and not many people will ever get a conjunction that tight unless you measured in the 30's era when pluto had a 0' latitude which is what i did for my other thread.

you have to take in the true angle. even if its conjunct parralel, contraparralel, or conjunct in longittude, a TRUE conjunction is termed as a fusion of energies.

posted October 31, 2016 06:37 PM            

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as for the others who they are i have no idea.

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Then why include them since there can be no chart to go along with it? Things are only testable in astrology if you've got at least a name and date of birth for the information that can be tested.

As to Katy Perry, I let the planets' positions speak for themselves. She has an undisputed conjunction of Sun and Pluto in longitude, just as astronomers note it. Astronomers have always set the terms for astronomical phenomena, not astrologers' whimsical notions of "true."

https://www.britannica.com/topic/conjunction-astronomy

The declination conjunction -- the parallel -- is measured on a different axis.

Katy Perry is just as "Plutonian" as Michael Jackson or any other person who had Sun conjunct Pluto.

posted October 31, 2016 07:00 PM              

You be the judge which aspect would be more powerful. If you think they are equal then I wonder about your math.

The longititude conjunction is just as far away as the latitude conjunction. The only thing that links the longitude conjunction more is the eclpitic plane as a reference. the whole planet is sensed.

besides that though. a body being next to a body, is what a fusion is. we arent talking astronomical terminology. in order for 2 bodies to have their energy "fused" or close to being fused as one single energy, or close to it, they have to physically be close.

posted November 02, 2016 05:29 AM              

I doubt you are willing to give up your idea that pluto is one of the most powerful factors in a chart. But when compared to the other planets. It's a weak force. Not sure how much you apply ideas of the strength of the planets but apparently you do it for the asteroids. Pluto is at the distance of Neptune but 7000x smaller, meaning it would be 7000x less powerful. As you can see, when comparing Pluto conjunct Suns to neptune conjunct suns, the neptunians are getting a much stronger force on their sun which is very noticeable on them (anything on your sun will be incredibly noticeable).

So I am raising that point to say, there is likely other factors in leonardo's chart as to why he seems to have a 'plutonian' stare. Because he has a 300x stronger what would be expected of a pluto stare than even the people who are provingly getting hit by pluto 1000x more. He has two tight conjunctions (sun-venus) and (mercury-uranus) which are likely the cause for his intense look. As I have also seen on others with tight conjunctions, the energy gets honed. Katy Perry has one tight conjunction (sat-moon) (+merc/asc). That is likely the cause for her intensity. Drake has no tight conjuncts. Bill gates has 1 (2.2 degrees).

The sun is 150 million times more massive than Pluto. The pictures showing pluto's strongest influence it can have prove to be fairly weak. There is no reason that small body in space would have any kind of strong effect on Scorpios. I question the planetary rulership altogether. I will say that yes, from my planet-sun-conjunction thread, that some planet's energys seem more harmonious, some have the colour blue, like venus. Some have red, like mars. When you actually compare that picture to famous arians, or famous scorpios, the glimmering venus energy doesn't resonate to either one more strongly.

Yes pluto is a small object. Much as you couldn't really say that an asteroid governed a sign as it's too small. The sun is 150 million times more massive. It is the most powerful factor in a chart. Pluto existing over there in space can only have as powerful effect as equal to the power of it's body. The power of its body is 150 million times weaker than the sun. Therefore it's effect on us will only be 1/150 millionth as strong as the suns.