posted October 26, 2016 08:43 PM            

Virgin, mother, ***** . Wilting princess and evil queen. The little girl in ribbons on her (hopefully) best behavior and the mother superior ready to whack you with her ruler. They're Queen Victoria and Scarlett O'Hara and Marilyn Monroe and Delilah. Stuck up ***** or stoic caregiver or gentle (if judging) Miss Manners, they all are examples.

I have never seen a man smoke Virginia Slims ("You've come a long way, baby"), unless he was compelled to by addiction (and probably got it off the ground or out of an ashtray on the sly, after someone else was done with it), and even then it was with shame (not for smoking or addiction, but for smoking that specific brand). Therefore, I'd say Virginia Slims is feminine (as are those who smoke it, though smoking isn't always seen as a feminine attribute).

Interesting enough, I don't think Marilyn Monroe was actually a smoker, despite the pictures they have of her with a cancer stick in her hand. There's a lot of debate on it, and I have plenty of reasons why I don't think she was a genuine smoker, but the main thing was watching her "smoke" onscreen (8 second example here ) where she blew out the smoke that came out as a ball rather than a stream (meaning she didn't suck it into her lungs). Nevertheless, she's seen as feminine and a cigarette in her hand doesn't hurt that image.

But then Freya, goddess of battle as well as magic and gold (and well known for prostituting herself for treasure) is considered one of the most feminine goddesses of the Scandinavian mythos, even more than the good wives of the gods (even Frigga who represented goodly wife virtues and was said to help married couples conceive when they were having trouble). Granted, Freya, like her brother Frey, is a fertility deity, though it was focused more on debauchery than marriage and family. What's a cigarette next to that?

Naturally, it helps to have money. Not only is a lot generally overlooked if you have money, but living up to the imposed expectations of femininity takes some serious cash, which is, of course, why such expectations are promoted (though natural competition plays a part in of itself, but you can bet the industry are going to fan those flames for maximum profit, especially when it's the major market for female customers).

Btw, Pink and Blue examines the trends (focused on babies) over the last couple of centuries or so. It's especially interesting how pink used to be for boys (as a stronger color) and blue for girls (dainty, and I'm pretty sure I recall reading about how it was also associated with the classic Madonna paintings showing the Virgin Mary in shades of blue). I know of a guy who got beat up by his dad for choosing to wear a pink shirt...I'd say too bad that the boy didn't know to share this with his dad, but if he had then he'd probably be beaten up for knowing too much, which is also a suspicious quality.

That all aside, which is the most feminine? Totally depends on how you define femininity, and even whether it's an actual quality or just an arbitrary image that mutates from generation to generation (and culture to culture, there are some feminine traits that would seem bizarre to many of us, such as Ohaguro ).

I know all these thoughts and reflections dilute my femininity, and it's not the only aspect that detracts from it. That said, I once knew an astro-twin (born 8 hours after me in the same maternity ward, IIRC) who was all delicate and pretty looking, and a champion of traditional feminine (not to be confused with feminist) values. Side by side we were quite the contrast in our appearance and behavior (though she was assertive rather than mousy and insecure, which some would say would cost her feminine points). I'd nominate her for possibly living up to a feminine ideal, but not myself, despite that we have the same placements (just different houses).

ETA: more for fun, but Lilah Morgan (from Angel) was one of my favorite villains of all time. Feminine as hell, but one you should be scared to be in the same room with. Fun vid featuring her:
http://youtu.be/OmgmStIzVVc?t=14s

posted October 27, 2016 05:50 AM            

- Taurus: Venus' domain + Moon's exaltation + is a feminine (ha), negative, even sign (Venus & Moon being the astrological standards for that elusive quality of being feminine)

- Libra: a masculine, positive, odd sign ruled by Venus

- Pisces: a feminine, negative, even sign of Venus' exaltation

- Cancer: a feminine, negative, even sign, Moon's domicile

So, there's that, astrologically. Your taste is your affair, obvs, but it serves little...astrologically. (Although we can totally pit Moon against Venus in this match. Cancer and Taurus can wrestle it out.)

Faith,

Pisces Moon is a big marker for the golden age of HW and acting careers in general. It also conditions the reception PisMoon actors/essss encounter: they are attractive and unattainable at the same time and the masses take to their glamour. These days, Leo is a much more stronger sign when it comes to both thespians and acting celebrities alike. All this to say that your list isn't only indicative of one's feminine power/attraction. (And attractions also fall under Mars' jurisdiction but nevermind that now...)

(((AND JUST Where's Viven Leigh, I ask them? Tau Asc, Venus in Libra)))

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
That's just it. I think feminine is a relative term.

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The relativism sends the postcard, regards etc and it writes - "yeah no"

posted October 27, 2016 10:37 AM            

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It also conditions the reception PisMoon actors/essss encounter: they are attractive and unattainable at the same time and the masses take to their glamour.

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Great observation!

Well I just saw a picture of Alicia Vikander and I thought, "she looks super feminine." I've never seen her in motion, just pictures.

She's a Cancer moon with a Libra sun square Cap Neptune. So she may have a sun-moon-Neptune t-square. I guess Neptune still has some viability in Hollywood but of course, she's not the biggest star there.

I hear you about Vivien Leigh.

I think Ingrid Bergman and Debra Paget are both prettier than some of the people on that list, too.

http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Vivien_Leigh

I was surprised at how many Aquarius moons (like Leigh) were in that Hollywood list. Maybe just the affinity for technology and cameras, and high tolerance level for fans and their craziness.

Leigh's got a Pisces NN conjunct BML. Hmm

Nice /// not nice

I'll delete that later so people don't have to keep seeing it!

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posted October 27, 2016 11:30 AM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:

The relativism sends the postcard, regards etc and it writes - "yeah no"

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I'll take a stab at it and if I can't make my point, we'll have to agree to disagree.

My dad had a Taurus girlfriend. Big, gruff truck driver with a voice like gravel. My Cancer Venus and Leo moon looked at her and said there's nothing feminine here. My Taurus Mars agreed and saw her as masculine.

posted October 27, 2016 12:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:

My dad had a Taurus girlfriend. Big, gruff truck driver with a voice like gravel. My Cancer Venus and Leo moon looked at her and said there's nothing feminine here. My Taurus Mars agreed and saw her as masculine.

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I know a lot of Taurus women like that and is why I am surprise to see so many people say Taurus I am like really?! Now there are a few Taurus women I know who are feminine yes but they are far from the most feminine women I know though, when they are feminine their femininity is very contained and practical not oozing out of them.

I would say Libra, Cancer, or Pisces before saying Taurus. Pisces just has that sweet innocent vibe which I guess gives a "feminine" look too bc of that "rescue me, I am fragile or lost vibe." I would say then libra, cancer and pisces.

Men with libra placements or venus conjunct sun have that feminine vibe while still looking masculine in my eyes bc that is my type though. Men with cancer placements have a feminine vibe too.

Now guys with sun in Taurus DO NOT have a feminine vibe, they come off as very manly. I have met quite a few Taurus sun males and they tend to look very manly, hot too in different way from libra placements don't get me wrong . Libra steals my heart though and Taurus is fun to make out with.

posted October 27, 2016 12:33 PM            

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Originally posted by deptic:
Aries

Jk...

I vote Cancer.

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posted October 27, 2016 01:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
I'll take a stab at it and if I can't make my point, we'll have to agree to disagree.

My dad had a Taurus girlfriend. Big, gruff truck driver with a voice like gravel. My Cancer Venus and Leo moon looked at her and said there's nothing feminine here. My Taurus Mars agreed and saw her as masculine.

Oh, and for the golden age of Hollywood, it was during Pluto in Cancer, which I think influenced what Hollywood saw as "leading lady" material. Followed by Pluto in Leo, which was why they shifted from the soft to the glamorous. The 60's brought Pluto in Virgo, the thin, "healthy" working girl. Twiggy, Marlo Thomas, Mary Tylor Moore look.

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posted October 27, 2016 02:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:

Oh, and for the golden age of Hollywood, it was during Pluto in Cancer, which I think influenced what Hollywood saw as "leading lady" material. Followed by Pluto in Leo, which was why they shifted from the soft to the glamorous. The 60's brought Pluto in Virgo, the thin, "healthy" working girl. Twiggy, Marlo Thomas, Mary Tylor Moore look.

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posted October 27, 2016 02:14 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
What is feminine?

Virgin, mother, ***** . Wilting princess and evil queen. The little girl in ribbons on her (hopefully) best behavior and the mother superior ready to whack you with her ruler. They're Queen Victoria and Scarlett O'Hara and Marilyn Monroe and Delilah. Stuck up ***** or stoic caregiver or gentle (if judging) Miss Manners, they all are examples.

I have never seen a man smoke Virginia Slims ("You've come a long way, baby"), unless he was compelled to by addiction (and probably got it off the ground or out of an ashtray on the sly, after someone else was done with it), and even then it was with shame (not for smoking or addiction, but for smoking that specific brand). Therefore, I'd say Virginia Slims is feminine (as are those who smoke it, though smoking isn't always seen as a feminine attribute).

Interesting enough, I don't think Marilyn Monroe was actually a smoker, despite the pictures they have of her with a cancer stick in her hand. There's a lot of debate on it, and I have plenty of reasons why I don't think she was a genuine smoker, but the main thing was watching her "smoke" onscreen (8 second example here ) where she blew out the smoke that came out as a ball rather than a stream (meaning she didn't suck it into her lungs). Nevertheless, she's seen as feminine and a cigarette in her hand doesn't hurt that image.

But then Freya, goddess of battle as well as magic and gold (and well known for prostituting herself for treasure) is considered one of the most feminine goddesses of the Scandinavian mythos, even more than the good wives of the gods (even Frigga who represented goodly wife virtues and was said to help married couples conceive when they were having trouble). Granted, Freya, like her brother Frey, is a fertility deity, though it was focused more on debauchery than marriage and family. What's a cigarette next to that?

Naturally, it helps to have money. Not only is a lot generally overlooked if you have money, but living up to the imposed expectations of femininity takes some serious cash, which is, of course, why such expectations are promoted (though natural competition plays a part in of itself, but you can bet the industry are going to fan those flames for maximum profit, especially when it's the major market for female customers).

Btw, Pink and Blue examines the trends (focused on babies) over the last couple of centuries or so. It's especially interesting how pink used to be for boys (as a stronger color) and blue for girls (dainty, and I'm pretty sure I recall reading about how it was also associated with the classic Madonna paintings showing the Virgin Mary in shades of blue). I know of a guy who got beat up by his dad for choosing to wear a pink shirt...I'd say too bad that the boy didn't know to share this with his dad, but if he had then he'd probably be beaten up for knowing too much, which is also a suspicious quality.

That all aside, which is the most feminine? Totally depends on how you define femininity, and even whether it's an actual quality or just an arbitrary image that mutates from generation to generation (and culture to culture, there are some feminine traits that would seem bizarre to many of us, such as Ohaguro ).

I know all these thoughts and reflections dilute my femininity, and it's not the only aspect that detracts from it. That said, I once knew an astro-twin (born 8 hours after me in the same maternity ward, IIRC) who was all delicate and pretty looking, and a champion of traditional feminine (not to be confused with feminist) values. Side by side we were quite the contrast in our appearance and behavior (though she was assertive rather than mousy and insecure, which some would say would cost her feminine points). I'd nominate her for possibly living up to a feminine ideal, but not myself, despite that we have the same placements (just different houses).

[b]ETA: more for fun, but Lilah Morgan (from Angel) was one of my favorite villains of all time. Feminine as hell, but one you should be scared to be in the same room with. Fun vid featuring her:
http://youtu.be/OmgmStIzVVc?t=14s

That aside, here's an old Taylor Swift vid where she plays both the shy woman and the evil female, both very feminine in their own (and different) way, perhaps because an attribute of Swift was transferred to both characters (or maybe that's just how both are designed):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuNIsY6JdUw [/B]

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Haha one of my best friends when we use to smoke cigarettes she use to smoke Virginia Slims and she has moon in Libra, she felt it was more feminine to smoke those and that is why she loved them , I agreed but she was the one that introduced them to me.

posted October 27, 2016 03:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:

Oh, and for the golden age of Hollywood, it was during Pluto in Cancer, which I think influenced what Hollywood saw as "leading lady" material. Followed by Pluto in Leo, which was why they shifted from the soft to the glamorous. The 60's brought Pluto in Virgo, the thin, "healthy" working girl. Twiggy, Marlo Thomas, Mary Tylor Moore look.

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posted October 27, 2016 03:54 PM            

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I was surprised at how many Aquarius moons (like Leigh) were in that Hollywood list. Maybe just the affinity for technology and cameras, and high tolerance level for fans and their craziness.

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posted October 27, 2016 06:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
Oh, and for the golden age of Hollywood, it was during Pluto in Cancer, which I think influenced what Hollywood saw as "leading lady" material. Followed by Pluto in Leo, which was why they shifted from the soft to the glamorous. The 60's brought Pluto in Virgo, the thin, "healthy" working girl. Twiggy, Marlo Thomas, Mary Tylor Moore look.

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posted October 30, 2016 03:07 PM            

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Originally posted by deptic:
Aries

Jk...

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posted April 08, 2022 04:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries Eagle:
I think it goes to Taurus and Cancer women, also they can be undoubtedly the most beautiful women on the zodiac.

source: my personal observation + basic astrology information.

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posted April 08, 2022 04:06 AM            

Imo it’s PISCES, VIRGO & CANCER

posted April 08, 2022 04:07 AM            

Virgo mutable earth ruled by mercury

Cancer cardinal water ruled by the moon

Taurus fixed earth ruled by Venus

Libra cardinal air ruled by Venus