posted November 02, 2016 10:04 PM            

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Originally posted by soren:
well i thought the results were striking but thats just me. and with the pics i wasnt determining any asc, just proving that birth time were accurate.

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posted November 02, 2016 10:05 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I really don't care about physical attributes in connection to the ascendant. I have never used that as a way to determine someone's ascendant and don't trust that technique at all. I go by personality, life events/transits and synastry. Too many factors influence physical attributes including genetics and probably the entire chart overall plays a role. If you are choosing people's ascendant based on physical attributes to me that is a terrible way to go about it.

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posted November 02, 2016 10:12 PM            

I also see people lying, much more than when I was younger.

posted November 02, 2016 10:16 PM            

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I really don't care about physical attributes in connection to the ascendant. I have never used that as a way to determine someone's ascendant and don't trust that technique at all. I go by personality, life events/transits and synastry. Too many factors influence physical attributes including genetics and probably the entire chart overall plays a role. If you are choosing people's ascendant based on physical attributes to me that is a terrible way to go about it.

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Synastry is an excellent tool to use for figuring out an Ascendant.

posted November 02, 2016 11:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Liliya:
I can find as many pics of people with the said positions that look very different

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posted November 03, 2016 02:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Liliya:

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well i thought the results were striking but thats just me. and with the pics i wasnt determining any asc, just proving that birth time were accurate
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I can find as many pics of people with the said positions that look very different

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if you had my mind maybe you'd tell. its easy for me.

add: here. look at this similar image that i gathered people for the other night. the top are all scorp risers. the bottom are libras. can you see any differences?

for it to work best, focus on just the bottom two rows, looking around at each person alternation for 5 seconds. or longer. and then tilt up to the top two rows which are all scorps. its easy to see. and this isn't even a mars conjunction. that would be even easier probly

Edit: as you can see its a minor difference. the top are slightly more emotional and the bottom are more energized and amazing. it's a mere ascendant, hold on i might show you something else if you hold on

Ok got it. Look at this: (when i refer to in houses i am referring to their sun)

so that is the difference a sun in the houses will be, compared to the differences of an asc change that is shown above it.

posted November 03, 2016 04:11 AM            

i say in 1-3 houses because there is definitely 1 set of houses. i have thoeries and its very likely that there is at minimum 2 overlapping house systems.
they overlap because there is 2 destinctive rings that both cross the local horizon. the yearly path which is a permanent engrained ring called the ecliptic.
and the daily path which is hardly at all can be aligned

Add: well the real question is, do the aqua 5th housers look more like the leo 5th housers or the aqua 11th housers.

the more stronger similarities, the stronger the placement.

E.g. you can really tell the difference between a neptune conj sun with a chiron conj sun. neptune they all exhibit a much more noticeable expression

if the aqua 5th housers all have more in common with the leo 5th housers, it shows that the 5th house has more of a mark on the personality than anything.

(or 1-3 houses have a stronger mark, since it might not be 1 house)

posted November 03, 2016 09:07 AM            

how else can we determine house/asc positions then? based off of reading descriptions and seeing which one applies?

posted November 03, 2016 10:10 AM            

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Originally posted by soren:

how else can we determine house/asc positions then? based off of reading descriptions and seeing which one applies?

that wont work quite as well as these pictures.

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posted November 03, 2016 10:53 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Yeah he was a Virgo riser for a day, Faith started a thread about people who rectify their chart and why they are wrong and he changed his mind back.

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B*tchy comment, hypatia.

I didn't say everyone was wrong. Just wondering what everyone thought, and gave my opinion, too.

You'll notice that at the end of that thread there is a flourishing pro-rectification discussion that I didn't meddle with at all.

I was glad to see people finding common ground with others even though it's not what I personally believe in.

My own chart is rectified in the conventional way (within a small time frame), as I have no choice, only a word-of-mouth birth time.

What's wrong with Electro weighing and consider the matter instead of just taking Kannon's word for it? If Kannon's work is right, no fear, it will prevail.

Nothing wrong with exploring ideas.

posted November 03, 2016 12:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
B*tchy comment, hypatia.

I didn't say everyone was wrong. Just wondering what everyone thought, and gave my opinion, too.

You'll notice that at the end of that thread there is a flourishing pro-rectification discussion that I didn't meddle with at all.

I was glad to see people finding common ground with others even though it's not what I personally believe in.

My own chart is rectified in the conventional way (within a small time frame), as I have no choice, only a word-of-mouth birth time.

What's wrong with Electro weighing and consider the matter instead of just taking Kannon's word for it? If Kannon's work is right, no fear, it will prevail.

Nothing wrong with exploring ideas.

I dislike people intimidating others and making them feel wrong for using their own brains and thinking for themselves.

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I am all for people using their own brains Faith. He should consider all his options and if he strongly identifies with Scorpio rising he probably is.

I get you and Teasel and maybe others did not like my comment but I am not going to apologize for been myself, I do have a rude or B*tchy side, always have. I also have a very sweet and charming side, it is what it is.

I did not ask him to take Kannon's word for it but he identified so strongly with Virgo rising that he publicly made an announcement to everyone he is changing his rising sign, it simply surprises me he would change his mind just after one day. I am the type of person that I don't seek or take advise from others ever and come up with decisions purely based on my own observations and instincts and the opinions of others swayed him to changing his rising sign back to Scorpio after one day or to change it to Virgo in the first place.

posted November 03, 2016 12:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Liliya:
Soren, I feel like you're trying to convince me. Again, we can find as many images to disapprove this theory. I'm not at all saying, that planet/house placements don't influence persons appearance. I'm just saying, that it's not primary when determining persons asc/house positions.

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Yeah I look at those faces and they all look super different to me from one another and if there are some minimal commonalities it could be the result of finding people with the same rising sign that have those minimal commonalities and not including others of the same rising sign that don't.

Further I don't have the entire birth chart of all those people and if they do have minimal commonalities in their appearance it could be for other factors in their birth chart they have in common.

Further when people post a pic of themselves or someone they know online I never guess their ascendant but I almost always guess another placement in their chart.

posted November 03, 2016 12:36 PM            

What I don't get is why people seem to have such a problem with me considering what my true chart should be. For those that do understand what I'm trying to get at, thank you. It just frustrated me, that's all.

posted November 03, 2016 12:37 PM            

Great, don't apologize for being b*tchy.

But at least get your facts straight, so you're not just being b*tchy for the fun of it.

@Electro

posted November 03, 2016 12:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
I can think for myself when it comes to making my own decisions. I was asking others for their opinion because obviously what I think I put off is much different from what others see in me, so I was considering many different points of view in order to come to a more ACCURATE conclusion. I can think for myself and make my own decisions, and to think that I don't ****** me off.

What I don't get is why people seem to have such a problem with me considering what my true chart should be. For those that do understand what I'm trying to get at, thank you. It just frustrated me, that's all.

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Like I said I think is great you are exploring you chart and trying to figure out your ascendant and I do have tremendous respect for you Electro you have no idea.

posted November 03, 2016 12:46 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Yeah I look at those faces and they all look super different to me from one another and if there are some minimal commonalities it could be the result of finding people with the same rising sign that have those minimal commonalities and not including others of the same rising sign that don't.

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This is going to be fun.. ahaha

so you are suggesting i'm highly biased and trying to prove something by only selecting certain faces. No. I made a point to select the first face I found and not look further more. All the faces in the picture above were the first finds.

i am gaining factful truths, and not biased truths. retaining neutrality and not "looking for things" is how you find the truth.

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Further I don't have the entire birth chart of all those people and if they do have minimal commonalities in their appearance it could be for other factors in their birth chart they have in common.

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It could be. That's why we let statistics do the work. The number of the pictures and the similarities, not just "similarities" but the specific similar energy they all encompass from having the same ascendant, can be seen quite evidently to me. When we work with numbers you don't need their birth data. There's no chance that 100 people that i theoretically select could all have something similar going on in their charts.

And also i hope you were aware that the top 2 rows of the first picture i posted on this thread are scorp risers, the bottom 2 rows were all libras. so there should be some common ground between the top two rows, and that common ground should be destinctive from the bottom two rows. I can see it quite clearly. Then again I know i am unbiased and i picked the first pictures I found. Raw material.

posted November 03, 2016 12:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
@hypatia

Great, don't apologize for being b*tchy.

But at least get your facts straight, so you're not just being b*tchy for the fun of it.

@Electro

I know how Aqua Mercury works, so I knew where you were coming from.

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posted November 03, 2016 12:51 PM            

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Originally posted by soren:
This is going to be fun.. ahaha

so you are suggesting i'm highly biased and trying to prove something by only selecting certain faces. No. I made a point to select the first face I found and not look further more. All the faces in the picture above were the first finds.

i am gaining factful truths, and not biased truths. retaining neutrality and not "looking for things" is how you find the truth.

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I give you credit for that then, thanks for pointing that out.

posted November 03, 2016 01:01 PM            

it was just going to keep growing unless someone said something.

plus i think my pictures proved a pretty good point. That the natal starts at birth. So you are defending the separate soul chart since electro already has his exact birth time.

in that case i don't see your logic in even metioning that your mom had your birth time, the hospital had your birth time at a different time (1 hour off). it doesn't really matter much if your soul could have incarnated anywhere 5 hours from those times. so why would you mention your mom/birth certificates times and how neither of them were guaranteed the correct time, why would that matter if you believe in the separate soul chart idea. cause apparently that's the part of you that is unsure about your birth chart is that you don't know your official time for guaranteed

posted November 03, 2016 01:02 PM            

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Originally posted by soren:
there's been 10+ people on here who are going by the idea that their birth time is not where their chart is.

it was just going to keep growing unless someone said something.

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