posted November 03, 2016 02:28 PM            

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Originally posted by soren:
[B]there's been 10+ people on here who are going by the idea that their birth time is not where their chart is.

it was just going to keep growing unless someone said something.

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posted November 03, 2016 02:32 PM            

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Originally posted by soren:
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plus i think my pictures proved a pretty good point.

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posted November 03, 2016 02:42 PM            

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Originally posted by soren:
well have fun believing lies

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Yes ma'am, same for you

posted November 03, 2016 03:43 PM            

here's my proof of birth time being the natal:
the red dots share nothing and are for contrast so you can see more clearly the similarities. there are 4 sets of 6 people (you can see the line dividing them into 4)
top left: exact jupiter-ascendant conjunction and beside that set is ---> exact jupiter SUN conjunction. So you can see what true jupiter energy is, as its a fact that the sun is the most powerful and thus anything on it will be enhanced.

below the jupiters are correspondedly: (lower left) venus exact ascendant conjunction and then --> venus exact sun.

FOR greater comparing. Now see if the left (ascendant) sides, after switching the sun exact conjunctions up and down

posted November 03, 2016 04:11 PM            

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Originally posted by soren:
liliya if you cant see the similarities well good luck

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posted November 03, 2016 04:15 PM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
It wasn't that I didn't have some skepticism about rectification. I decided to try it anyway...

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I agree.

from another topic from 89freespirit: It's not the mathematical, logical way of looking at it. But, let's not act like astrology is purely scientific and rational because it's not. There is a science to it but this also a spiritual study. So, we cannot just purely consider the physical elements. They are important but also limiting, just like only looking at someone's physical features to determine their Ascendant.

posted November 03, 2016 04:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Liliya:
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Originally posted by soren:
liliya if you cant see the similarities well good luck
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Thank you, same to you!

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posted November 03, 2016 04:28 PM            

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Originally posted by soren:
i can see them so im fine

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posted November 03, 2016 04:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Liliya:
I agree.

from another topic from 89freespirit: It's not the mathematical, logical way of looking at it. But, let's not act like astrology is purely scientific and rational because it's not. There is a science to it but this also a spiritual study. So, we cannot just purely consider the physical elements. They are important but also limiting, just like only looking at someone's physical features to determine their Ascendant.

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i would have corrected spirit earlier but they said "there is a science to it" and that is the truth. everything in existence has math and order. even astrology. so it is very scientific.

i dont know what she meant by physical elements, if they meant like a big nose or high forehead, then yes that will not tell anything astrological. my pictures show the energy vibe of the people.

posted November 03, 2016 05:36 PM            

saturn at highest point (exactly inbetween ascendant/descendant)

and now here below is exact neptune ascendant conjunctions.

maybe you can see similarities this time.

i use charts off of astrotheme. 90% of them have the birth certificate quoted. I pick the first person that matches the criteria (having one conjunction to the ascendant, not having any other planets within 8 degrees of the ascendant) and then I pick the most neutral picture of them.

gg

posted November 03, 2016 06:42 PM            

Astrology is science but it also involves much more than that. We're connecting science with what we feel inside.

I'll make this short.
I KNOW.. what I feel. I KNOW that Virgo asc makes sense for me. Not ONLY by description but in my HEART. It's like feeling like you're finally home.

So, you can make your points and normally I try to keep an open mind but in this case, I'm not even open to being proven wrong.
No amount of science that you can show will be enough to change what I know in my heart.

posted November 03, 2016 07:09 PM            

many people do enjoy thinking that what they are, is what they are.

i mean you are what you are. if you are solid gold, and something is saying you a red crystal, you might not like it. you would rather read that you are solid gold, and it will make you feel good because it resonates. that's the reason why, you like the whole description of virgo.

i think i can see that in you. and you dont want to think that the libra description of "charming, caring what others think, sociable, cute" because it doesn't resonate. that's not what you are.

but i could see that in you. but the true thing is, as you've heard before, the chart is a lot more than just the ascendant. if we equate the ascendant to equal the strength of a planet. which is probably all its worth maybe a bit more. than its only 1/11th of the main most powerful objects, so 1/11th of a shape on who you are.

(but actually much much less than 1/11th since the sun trump's over all else)

the thing for me that i like the description of is aries. i have sun in the first house, and i dont consider my ascendant anything close to who i am. its just a weak shadow compared to the sun. i dont like the description of aqua. because it doesn't resonate. i'm not cold. im not really very aloof. and i wouldnt say "intelligent" in the cold sense is what i am. but i do have some quintiles.

posted November 03, 2016 07:11 PM            

That we can invest consciousness in an idea that will take on a life of its own and reflect its reality back to us.

In that case I could probably pick any ASC I want and find ways to reinforce it, just shifting my outlook and the way I invest thought in things.

Like I could have a Scorpio IC instead of Libra, that's possible.

In that case I modify my "script" to talk about IC conjunct Uranus and all the strange and dark things about my childhood.

However, I prefer to set it in third decan Libra, where my actual family is.
ETA: I mean many family members have placements there, between 23-26 Libra. Not 22 or 28 or 29. ONLY 23-26 Libra.

The whole concept of the IC seems more real to me that way.

But, to each their own.

posted November 03, 2016 09:47 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I said what I had to say and I am leaving this thread bc I am not going to feed this.

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Don't provide the food to begin with then.

posted November 05, 2016 01:08 AM            

I like what you are doing in questioning and investigating on your own terms. Keep it up.

What you are describing in the way of finely tuned perception is as much a focused Aquarian/Uranian ability. You have 5 planets in Aquarius, which outweighs the usual rising sign weight in your chart.

In addition to all those planets in Aquarius, and Sun conjunct Uranus, Sun [18 south] is parallel Uranus [17 south]; Moon is also contra-parallel Uranus.

Signs are general, being 30° arcs. When we rely on signs to specify we cloud things, because we're expecting to get specific information or verification from something more watered down, more general. You are far more Aquarian than whatever rising sign you have, as 4+ planets in a sign with the Sun tends to emphasize that sign mode over whatever is on the Asc.

I'd like to remind folks that I have not rectified his chart.

I repeat: I have not rectified Electro's chart.

I simply stated there is no chance he has Scorpio rising, and stated that his self-description - his own words - and what I can see in one photo fits Virgo well enough to consider it, since he does not relate to Libra at all. I also gave him some descriptions of degree areas in Virgo to look at for possible fit.

Speaking of his own words, someone made a good point about not relying on physical/facial characteristics to nail down rising sign. Good advice. If you don't know what to look for, don't. Personality will reveal what you need to know. Biography is personality in slow motion.

Electro, keep investigating on your own terms.