posted December 03, 2016 12:10 AM            

Someone mentioned in an article that a planet conjunct South node can either mean that you have done that in the past OR you did not fully assemble that planet and so you are meant to continue learning it now.

And then, I got to thinking, and it made total sense. Each person i have known with a planet conjunct South Node in their chart didnt make sense to me before. For example, I knew a girl , her energy level was always low, she was very nice but she'd let people walk all over her. She seemed like she didn't know her self very well nor was she dignified enough to stand up for being mistreated. I looked at her chart and thought strange she has sun conjunct south node. she should be more sun like.

Another exmaple is someone i knew with Moon conjunct South Node. His case also makes sense now. A big part of his personality was being detached, unemotional, not showing any emotion in anyway. It's almost like he was scared of showing emotions of any kind. Even with this, it would be hard to figure yourself out because you cant figure out your own emotions half of the time.

So maybe planets on the South Node mean that is something you did not finish and still need to remember, pick up and learn to progress.

Even in synastry, maybe this is why you meet people on the South Node.

What are your takes on this? Can anybody say this falls into line with you or people you know?

posted December 03, 2016 12:47 PM              

My two best friends actually have Moon conjunct South Node and they're not super-emotional, either. But, they have the conjunction in Virgo. One of them has it in the 6th and the other has it in the 12th. So, clearly, you're not going to see them crying all over the place or being very irrational. The one with the conjunction in his 12th wouldn't really let you know much of how he's feeling and the one with the conjunction in the 6th very much likes to work things out and problem solve. However, this is their way of dealing with their emotions. So, they're very much living out their Moon.

I have the Sun close to my South Node in Leo and in the 7th. I have definitely had my fill of being Sun-like. I'm tired of wanting everyone to love me and pay attention to me. I've also always been super-creative and I was very much a leader growing up, to the point of being really bossy, at times. At the same time, since the conjunction is in the 7th, I've also had a past of being dominated by other people, too, and not exactly standing up to them to keep the peace. Yet, that also mirrored the domineering side of my personality. Very much Sun in the 7th.

With the conjunction is in Leo, and the Sun is in dignity, there is more of a simplicity there. However, you cannot expect every Sun conjunct South Node person to be all dramatic and upbeat and "look at me, look at me." What if they have the Sun in Cancer or Taurus or Virgo? It'll be more about self-obsession and wanting everything to go according to their will. But, that'll come out in the style of the sign, possibly by being overprotective (Cancer), obstinate (Taurus), or obsessive-compulsive (Virgo) in a way that can kind of be overbearing or self-centered. Then, you also have to consider the house that the conjunction is in to see exactly how that plays out.

So, you have to consider the full picture. We definitely don't need to learn anything about the South Node. We're already very experienced in it. But, the specific combination of the South Node sign, house, and possible planet conjunct will tell the full story.

posted December 03, 2016 12:53 PM            

My draconic sun is conjunct my SN in my 10H, in Taurus. And I'm a Capricorn.

So it's all topsy turvy. But usually there are themes like this with the nodes. It's a matter of deciphering them.

For me I think the lesson has been to venture to the 4H Scorpio NN, and then somehow return to the SN as a changed person. How do I make that boomerang loop?

Well, the Universe has been generous in providing tough (Plutonic) lessons on issues surrounding motherhood and home life (4H/Cancer), including early loss of mother, difficulties in childbirth, and so on. By the time I was about 30 I had lost both parents and both parents-in-law, an uncommon misfortune with many ramifications that most people cannot relate to.

Now maybe the real issue is returning to my south node, where my draconic sun is, in the 10H, house of Capricorn. Returning there stronger after what I've been through. And learning how to love life (Taurus/Venus) in spite of the fact that I've been demolished (thanks, Pluto) in so many different ways.

posted December 03, 2016 03:36 PM            

I think it's true that planet conjunct nodes is weakened, not fulfilling its purpose in native psyche.

posted December 03, 2016 03:52 PM              

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Originally posted by bumblebee:
Well nodal axis was used to predict eclipses. Everything close to nodes is eclipsed, so hard to get its energy.

I think it's true that planet conjunct nodes is weakened, not fulfilling its purpose in native psyche.

This comes from a person with venus conjunct south node, exact. And I don't have planets squaring the nodes, and my venus is the best aspected planet in my natal.

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It only feels "weakened" because you're not going to be successful in your South Node territory until you move toward your North Node. You either won't get what your SN wants or it will seem like a hollow victory and give you a sense of emptiness or like something is missing.

The traits aren't weakened at all. It's just the productive manifestation of them are weakened.

posted December 04, 2016 12:15 AM            

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Originally posted by moongaze:
This is interesting because I have Sun conjunct South Node and can relate to the example of the girl you knew. I also have it in Cancer, so that could be why too. I've never been assertive despite my Aries Ascendant, which also squares both my Sun and Venus. The description for Sun conjunct SN says that people would feel insecure with themselves and either stray away from the limelight or have difficulty getting out of it. I relate to the former.

For me though, I feel like my South Node and its aspects are ones that I should try letting go in order to become more like my NN. My Capricorn NN only conjuncts my MC, so I think in order for me to grow as a person I must do well in my career as my destiny will be manifested in the success of my career. At least that is what I think.

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posted December 04, 2016 09:16 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
That sounds like a skipped step scenario to me. I bet that sun conjunct southnode person and moon conjunct southnode person have a planet squaring that southnode conjunction.

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I do. Moon and Venus conjunct South Node, square Mars in Pisces.

posted December 04, 2016 10:27 AM            

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Originally posted by colorful butterfly:
I think it does mean that, I study vedic astrology too. The southern node is what is comfortable and you fall back on, to reach the northern node is hard work. I've noticed it in people. Vedic astrology breaks things down to Nakshatras. If you study the Nakshatra, you can understand it better. My chart in western astrology is virgo rising in my 12 house conjunct my saturn. Pisces my sn, is in my 6th house. It can be confusing in western astrology but in vedic I understand what goes on. My sn is in the Nakshatra of Shatabisha which means healer, scientific thinking, hundred healers. It explains this as a doctor or problem solver. Whenever something happens or I see chaos the first thing I want to do is solve the problem or try to figure out what exactly is the heart of the problem for better understanding. Poorva phalguni is Nakshatra known for being creative and lazy, relaxing, having fun. I am virgo rising, I have OCD as an actual dx. I get very nervous about things not being structured, chaos and new relationships. The thing is I work in the health related feild and I love my job. 6th house, I work out, obsessed about my weight, read and learn all the time. I can close myself out of the world sometimes kinda like tesla, driven to accomplish, workaholic, focused on being successful. I use to work 4 jobs till my kids asked me to stop, wanting to provide etc. What is hard for me is learning how to not get so wound up over things like being perfect, cleaning, security issues etc OCD related themes. My nn is learning to relax and just have fun. My doctor even told me I had to learn how to relax or stress was going to kill me. Learning to solve any problem, chatoic situation and then release it threw thesis and anti thesis. I use my sn to obtain my nn. The understanding I have is there will always be the dance between the two.

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4 jobs??

Your comment reminds me a lot of my mom actually and she has southnode in Virgo, fascinating. I use to think she was a super woman and reading your comment gave me that same feeling, I do admire you both. She is always watching her diet and weight too, I don't know how anybody can have such a strict diet, it helps she is a cap sun as well.

posted December 04, 2016 01:50 PM            

When I made this thread what i had in mind was South Node Conjunctions. Personally, I also dont focus on the effects of planets squaring nodes into detail. I find it's not really that effective as compared to the very clear and hard hitting effects of conjunctions for both Nodes. In natal and synastry when the Nodal axis is directly on a planet that is when it is being effected.

posted December 04, 2016 02:14 PM            

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
Interesting theory but I don't think it's true, particularly since you're not factoring in the sign and house that the South Node/planet is in.

My two best friends actually have Moon conjunct South Node and they're not super-emotional, either. But, they have the conjunction in Virgo. One of them has it in the 6th and the other has it in the 12th. So, clearly, you're not going to see them crying all over the place or being very irrational. The one with the conjunction in his 12th wouldn't really let you know much of how he's feeling and the one with the conjunction in the 6th very much likes to work things out and problem solve. However, this is their way of dealing with their emotions. So, they're very much living out their Moon.

I have the Sun close to my South Node in Leo and in the 7th. I have definitely had my fill of being Sun-like. I'm tired of wanting everyone to love me and pay attention to me. I've also always been super-creative and I was very much a leader growing up, to the point of being really bossy, at times. At the same time, since the conjunction is in the 7th, I've also had a past of being dominated by other people, too, and not exactly standing up to them to keep the peace. Yet, that also mirrored the domineering side of my personality. Very much Sun in the 7th.

With the conjunction is in Leo, and the Sun is in dignity, there is more of a simplicity there. However, you cannot expect every Sun conjunct South Node person to be all dramatic and upbeat and "look at me, look at me." What if they have the Sun in Cancer or Taurus or Virgo? It'll be more about self-obsession and wanting everything to go according to their will. But, that'll come out in the style of the sign, possibly by being overprotective (Cancer), obstinate (Taurus), or obsessive-compulsive (Virgo) in a way that can kind of be overbearing or self-centered. Then, you also have to consider the house that the conjunction is in to see exactly how that plays out.

So, you have to consider the full picture. We definitely don't need to learn anything about the South Node. We're already very experienced in it. But, the specific combination of the South Node sign, house, and possible planet conjunct will tell the full story.

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Hi 89freespirit

I can 100% percent agree with you that the sign house will definitely have different variations with South Node conjunctions. Planet House/Signs can strengthen and weaken. Im sure your Sun being in its royalty adds a different touch to your Sun South Node conjunction. But the effects of South Node will still there. Ive seen people with sn-planet conjunction in dignity too that still portray that suppression of the planets energy.

I'm not sayig South Node conjunct planets will mean you will always be this way but the reason why i made this thread in first place is I Have seen it again and again with numberous people, when South Node is Conjunct a planet that planet is some form of issue for that person. They struggle with it. They have learning to do with that planet. It could even be you need to resolve your issues with this planet to move forward. Im sure when people do learn the lesson they do move forward.

The Planets energy could be something you are missing, something you need to remember, something you have but misused. Either way, learning the positive healthy side of that planet helps in moving forward.

posted December 04, 2016 02:36 PM            

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Originally posted by bumblebee:
Well nodal axis was used to predict eclipses. Everything close to nodes is eclipsed, so hard to get its energy.

I think it's true that planet conjunct nodes is weakened, not fulfilling its purpose in native psyche.

This comes from a person with venus conjunct south node, exact. And I don't have planets squaring the nodes, and my venus is the best aspected planet in my natal.

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Yes, the Nodes are a hard concept to understand but put in very simple terms, what I have noticed in behavioral patterns is South node on a planet means lower energy with that planet while North Node means the
opposite.

posted December 04, 2016 02:42 PM            

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Originally posted by moongaze:
This is interesting because I have Sun conjunct South Node and can relate to the example of the girl you knew. I also have it in Cancer, so that could be why too. I've never been assertive despite my Aries Ascendant, which also squares both my Sun and Venus. The description for Sun conjunct SN says that people would feel insecure with themselves and either stray away from the limelight or have difficulty getting out of it. I relate to the former.

For me though, I feel like my South Node and its aspects are ones that I should try letting go in order to become more like my NN. My Capricorn NN only conjuncts my MC, so I think in order for me to grow as a person I must do well in my career as my destiny will be manifested in the success of my career. At least that is what I think.

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Thank you for you input Moongaze.

posted December 04, 2016 02:52 PM            

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Originally posted by colorful butterfly:
I think it does mean that, I study vedic astrology too. The southern node is what is comfortable and you fall back on, to reach the northern node is hard work. I've noticed it in people. Vedic astrology breaks things down to Nakshatras. If you study the Nakshatra, you can understand it better. My chart in western astrology is virgo rising in my 12 house conjunct my saturn. Pisces my sn, is in my 6th house. It can be confusing in western astrology but in vedic I understand what goes on. My sn is in the Nakshatra of Shatabisha which means healer, scientific thinking, hundred healers. It explains this as a doctor or problem solver. Whenever something happens or I see chaos the first thing I want to do is solve the problem or try to figure out what exactly is the heart of the problem for better understanding. Poorva phalguni is Nakshatra known for being creative and lazy, relaxing, having fun. I am virgo rising, I have OCD as an actual dx. I get very nervous about things not being structured, chaos and new relationships. The thing is I work in the health related feild and I love my job. 6th house, I work out, obsessed about my weight, read and learn all the time. I can close myself out of the world sometimes kinda like tesla, driven to accomplish, workaholic, focused on being successful. I use to work 4 jobs till my kids asked me to stop, wanting to provide etc. What is hard for me is learning how to not get so wound up over things like being perfect, cleaning, security issues etc OCD related themes. My nn is learning to relax and just have fun. My doctor even told me I had to learn how to relax or stress was going to kill me. Learning to solve any problem, chatoic situation and then release it threw thesis and anti thesis. I use my sn to obtain my nn. The understanding I have is there will always be the dance between the two.

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Yes, a lot of what vedic says according to Rahu Ketu does make sense. And this is why certain conjunctions on planets based on planet node are favored and disfavored.

posted December 04, 2016 02:54 PM              

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Originally posted by violet7887:

Hi 89freespirit

I can 100% percent agree with you that the sign house will definitely have different variations with South Node conjunctions. Planet House/Signs can strengthen and weaken. Im sure your Sun being in its royalty adds a different touch to your Sun South Node conjunction. But the effects of South Node will still there. Ive seen people with sn-planet conjunction in dignity too that still portray that suppression of the planets energy.

I'm not sayig South Node conjunct planets will mean you will always be this way but the reason why i made this thread in first place is I Have seen it again and again with numberous people, when South Node is Conjunct a planet that planet is some form of issue for that person. They struggle with it. They have learning to do with that planet. It could even be you need to resolve your issues with this planet to move forward. Im sure when people do learn the lesson they do move forward.

The Planets energy could be something you are missing, something you need to remember, something you have but misused. Either way, learning the positive healthy side of that planet helps in moving forward.

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I get what you're saying but there is a difference between having issues with something and suppressing it. You make it sound like the South Node is something a person may not be in touch with it. I don't think that's the issue. The issue is that they're TOO in touch with it. So, in order to find some kind of sanity, they have to move toward their North Node and consciously forget about their South Node, in a way that is sometimes more dramatic than others without a planet there.

The South Node has consequences when we focus too much on it and a planet on the South Node is an excess of energy and focus. So, trust me, things just get really, really screwed up in your life, with a planet near their SN, if you are too concerned with these things. We have a lot of karma in this area of life. Too much of it. And the Universe really forces us, more than most, to forget about our SN and move toward our NN.

This is why your friends probably don't seem like that planet because they've learned, throughout life experience, to not really care about what that planet wants because they probably won't get it if they do. A lot of people would probably be surprised to learn how bossy I can actually be. All throughout my 20's, I have increasingly learned to let go of all of that. Things just have a way of screwing up when I try to be really dominant.

Also, I have South Node in the 7th. I'm very independent. I don't think anyone would call me co-dependent or needy. My Aquarius traits are so much more evident than my Leo side. It doesn't mean I'm "suppressing" the Leo side. It just means that I've been there, done that, and nothing productive will happen if I keep doing it. If I try hard to get attention or make people like me, I always fail. If I focus too much on other people's happiness or if I get too obsessed with a particular person, especially a love interest, things become a MESS. In fact, I've spent the majority of my 20's single because of that.

So, no, these traits do not need to be developed. They don't need to be learned. They are just eventually set aside by the person because nothing good really happens when we care too much about what that planet wants. It's what makes us understand and move toward our NN a lot more easily and urgently than most people. The area of the NN is where the true lessons in life area but, of course, that does automatically balance out the SN.

posted December 04, 2016 03:10 PM            

Hi Faith long time no see

Im sorry to hear about all your misfortunes but i think that is exactly why you chose the name Faith

Nodes can be very topsy turvy from what i hear. Nobody says one has to be done first. I have to look at draco the natal node aspects, I havnt yet. all the ones i speak of are natal. But to me, your NN -SN lessons perfectly match your House sign. also think you have learned a lot of it already.

posted December 04, 2016 03:39 PM            

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
I get what you're saying but there is a difference between having issues with something and suppressing it. You make it sound like the South Node is something a person may not be in touch with it. I don't think that's the issue. The issue is that they're TOO in touch with it. So, in order to find some kind of sanity, they have to move toward their North Node and consciously forget about their South Node, in a way that is sometimes more dramatic than others without a planet there.

The South Node has consequences when we focus too much on it and a planet on the South Node is an excess of energy and focus. So, trust me, things just get really, really screwed up in your life, with a planet near their SN, if you are too concerned with these things. We have a lot of karma in this area of life. Too much of it. And the Universe really forces us, more than most, to forget about our SN and move toward our NN.

This is why your friends probably don't seem like that planet because they've learned, throughout life experience, to not really care about what that planet wants because they probably won't get it if they do. A lot of people would probably be surprised to learn how bossy I can actually be. All throughout my 20's, I have increasingly learned to let go of all of that. Things just have a way of screwing up when I try to be really dominant.

Also, I have South Node in the 7th. I'm very independent. I don't think anyone would call me co-dependent or needy. My Aquarius traits are so much more evident than my Leo side. It doesn't mean I'm "suppressing" the Leo side. It just means that I've been there, done that, and nothing productive will happen if I keep doing it. If I try hard to get attention or make people like me, I always fail. If I focus too much on other people's happiness or if I get too obsessed with a particular person, especially a love interest, things become a MESS. In fact, I've spent the majority of my 20's single because of that.

So, no, these traits do not need to be developed. They don't need to be learned. They are just eventually set aside by the person because nothing good really happens when we care too much about what that planet wants. It's what makes us understand and move toward our NN a lot more easily and urgently than most people. The area of the NN is where the true lessons in life area but, of course, that does automatically balance out the SN.

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This is exactly what I'm saying to you. You were born with South Node conjunct your Sun. The Sun is a vital part of you. You feel frustration with your Sun because of this conjunction.